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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / May 2005E20 coming to Minnesota
Wow, I didn't realize the Mn legislature could move that fast. Before I was able to gather my concerns and send them to my legislators, the Minnesota house passed a bill requiring all gasoline sold in state by either 2010 or 2013 to contain 20% ethanol. I have seen no discussion on how to protect consumers when their car warranties are voided by mfgs. I am still trying to find out how much energy is consumed making a gallon of ethanol. My understanding is, whatever the value is, it is supplied by oil or natural gas. I am an advocate of development of alternate energy. But this bill smacks of a knee-jerk reaction to high gasoline prices, not a well thought out policy. > Wow, I didn't realize the Mn legislature could move that fast. Before I > was able to gather my concerns and send them to my legislators, the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > alternate energy. But this bill smacks of a knee-jerk reaction to high > gasoline prices, not a well thought out policy. this has nothing to do with high gas prices, it has been in the works since 9-11, it is a tool to reduce oil importation. and the latest studies show that ethanol is energy pos. remember corn and other plants get energy from the sun not oil. The loss factor is in the refining end and that % is improving all the time. KB  SignatureThunderSnake #9 Warn once, shoot twice 460 in the pkup, 460 on the stand for another pkup and one in the shed for a fun project to yet be decided on > Wow, I didn't realize the Mn legislature could move that fast. Politicians are nothing if not opportunistic. > Before I was able to gather my concerns and send them to my legislators, > the Minnesota house passed a bill requiring all gasoline sold in state > by either 2010 or 2013 to contain 20% ethanol. I have seen no > discussion on how to protect consumers when their car warranties are > voided by mfgs. Look at it from a dollars-and-cents perspective: Farmers, Archer-Daniels-Midland (who produce virtually all North America's fuel ethanol), misguided self-proclaimed "environmentalists" and auto repair organizations probably bought more representatives than you did. > I am still trying to find out how much energy is consumed making a > gallon of ethanol. Quite a bit. The exact amount depends on whose numbers are being used for what political purpose. > My understanding is, whatever the value is, it is > supplied by oil or natural gas. That's correct. And the corn to make ethanol is farmed and shipped using vehicles and equipment that run on petroleum, not to mention being fertilized and pest-sprayed with petroleum-derived chemicals. > I am an advocate of development of alternate energy. So am I. Ethanol, however, surely doesn't look like the right path to take. > > I am an advocate of development of alternate energy. > > So am I. Ethanol, however, surely doesn't look like the right path to > take. I don't know if making ethanol from corn is the right way either. There has been some talk of developing new methods of making ethanol from such waste products as rice straw. Rice straw is often just burned in the fields after harvest and is a cause of concern for the air quality in such places as the Central Valley of California. " My understanding is, whatever the value is, it is supplied by oil or natural gas. " Or nuclear power or from coal burning power plants. >Wow, I didn't realize the Mn legislature could move that fast. Before I >was able to gather my concerns and send them to my legislators, the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >alternate energy. But this bill smacks of a knee-jerk reaction to high >gasoline prices, not a well thought out policy. And your gas mileage will go way down also. One reason people don't get the gas mileage they expect on new cars is because the automakers run the tests using 100% high quality gasoline. Then your politicians pass laws so the only thing you can get is watered down gasoline with 5 - 15% alcohol in it. You lose 2 to 5 mpg in the process. -- New service to compete with paypal Get $25 pre-registration bonus by following this link www.greenzap.com/25smackers4u Several distinguished universities have done studies and ethanol gives no less than 15% energy return. I applaud MN for taking a step in the right direction. If you don't like it then move f&*^%$g elsewhere!!!!! > Wow, I didn't realize the Mn legislature could move that fast. Before I > was able to gather my concerns and send them to my legislators, the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > But this bill smacks of a knee-jerk reaction to high gasoline prices, not > a well thought out policy. > Several distinguished universities have done studies and ethanol gives no > less than 15% energy return. I applaud MN for taking a step in the right > direction. If you don't like it then move f&*^%$g elsewhere!!!!! I would have expected more from somebody with a Purdue address. SignatureIgnasi. (using SPAM trap e-mail address) >>Several distinguished universities have done studies and ethanol gives no >>less than 15% energy return. I applaud MN for taking a step in the right >>direction. If you don't like it then move f&*^%$g elsewhere!!!!! > > I would have expected more from somebody with a Purdue address. He could be a frosh. No, the address is legit. I mean come on. Why do people insist on complaining about rising gas cost, oil dependance, and depleting our non-renewable resources, but they cry, scream, and bitch when there is action taken to improve the situation. On the Weekend Farm Show on WGN Radio a couple of weeks ago they broadcast an interview dealing with the topic of E85 fuels. Most of the new research states that there is between a 15 and 35% energy return on ethanol. So why is no one using it. I know that E85 is not the same as a 20% level, but a conventional car will run on the 20% where it takes flex-fuel engine management to burn the 85%. Yes, you will see a decrease in in mgp, but in the end, the bottom line will be as good, if not slightly better than what it is right now. When ethanol becomes popular automakers will realize this and raise the compression ratio of cars and make other changes to better utalize the combustion of alcohol. Do a google search people. If you are not willing to do some research, have an open mind, and embrace rather than fear change, then go elsewhere because you are not doing your country any good. So, for all the Dons on this newsgroup, do some reading. I think you might be surprised with the information learn. Loren >>>Several distinguished universities have done studies and ethanol gives no >>>less than 15% energy return. I applaud MN for taking a step in the right [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > He could be a frosh. |
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