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MY SENTRA MAKES 40+MPG!!!!
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Sandra McGalloway - 08 May 2005 17:08 GMT As I stated previously my 2004 Sentra makes 40+mpg highway and 36+ moderate city/highway mix and still veor 30 heavy city. I spend so little on gas and feel so good about not polluting air (=CANCER).
The reason is basic: REDUCTION in weight + driving habits. All nonessential is removed, also wheel rims are lightweight/strong aluminum (TSW, UK/German aluminum alloy->reduces unspring weight, very important for better acceleration/braking). Even to extreme: removed spare tire/wheel/jack/wrench as I am covered by 2-year roadside assistance (free for a new car) and would take only to a long-distance/wilderness trip where assistance would have problems finding me and replacing a flat tire if any happens. I removed big things (one seat, 2 remaining is enough) and small things (passenger sunvisor, HECK I MIGHT REMOVE DRIVER"S sunvisor as I never suffer form sunglare for too long).
Sentra is one example, any small/well-designed car can make.it. My more importnat point is not really gas prices but pollution. This Sentra is PZEV (PARTIALLY ZERO-EMISSIONS VEHICLE) and emissions level is life-time warranted, you dont need to read manufacturer's claims - just run the engine and check what;s coming out of tailpipe: WARM AIR, NO SMELL, it's such a difference form my old Oldsmobile Cutlass supremem you could smell a block away. Tjis smell is not just smell, it's CANCEROUS (gas is carcerogenic I hope you all know, exhaust is even worse, especially diesel).
Clean exhaust, when idle little different from warm air like no fuel is even burning, of course it's burning... still I am feel good about myself and most important about mine and YOUR children.
Now FULK ALL THE SUV'S AND THEIR OWNERS!!
Shep - 08 May 2005 18:45 GMT More mis info from a non technical backround, now we judge emissions and performance based on exhaust smell?
> As I stated previously my 2004 Sentra makes 40+mpg highway and 36+ > moderate city/highway mix and still veor 30 heavy city. I spend so little [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Now FULK ALL THE SUV'S AND THEIR OWNERS!! Sandra McGalloway - 08 May 2005 20:13 GMT First you already showed your uselessness with 2005 ToyotaCamry response, you basically told the guy he asked "wrong" question instead of helping. Second I didnt say juging 100%, i said it's one of the signs, likewise experienced technical nuts can make certain conclusuions from engine sound/noise, OK, but the fact is that my Sentra is officially PZEV and fully SULEV (super ultralow emissions) and it's not defined by smell, it's in this model tech spechs and in my warranty document.
Ok so please forget smell if you dont like this methid, but accept the fact Sentra is very clean and not a hybrid even.
Sandra McGalloway - 08 May 2005 20:13 GMT I am not a girl, I am a male Electrical Engineer, MSEE
Lawrence Glickman - 08 May 2005 20:40 GMT >I am not a girl, I am a male Electrical Engineer, MSEE It is not common for males to be named "Sandra"
Sandra McGalloway - 08 May 2005 21:56 GMT It's common for very experienced computer professionals to be careful and pr4otect identity on a public Newsgroup. Given murders related to Islamic/Jewish/political/etc Newsgroups and the number of peole I inflame, it's better if I remain a shadow...
One muslim brother already promised to cut my head off and I promised equal measures to them, ok, it's all a joke but some people take it seriously, find you and use baseball bat on your head area :)
John S. - 08 May 2005 22:39 GMT "It's common for very experienced computer professionals to be careful and pr4otect identity on a public Newsgroup. Given murders related to Islamic/Jewish/political/etc Newsgroups and the number of peole I inflame, it's better if I remain a shadow..."
Don't you have something better to do with your time than inflaming peple to the point of threatening bodily harm??? Like being an experienced computer professional.
Sandra McGalloway - 08 May 2005 23:27 GMT the bottom line I am not to reveal identity, end here
James C. Reeves - 08 May 2005 23:22 GMT > It's common for very experienced computer professionals to be careful and > pr4otect identity on a public Newsgroup. Given murders related to > Islamic/Jewish/political/etc Newsgroups and the number of peole I inflame, > it's better if I remain a shadow... [SNIP]
So is this an admission that your purpose for posting to this NG is to inflame? What benefit is there to doing that?
Sandra McGalloway - 08 May 2005 23:27 GMT Benefit was shown when I posted under other names and you all were grateful, I used Mark Levitski name, Susan Cohen, etc
James C. Reeves - 08 May 2005 23:20 GMT >I am not a girl, I am a male Electrical Engineer, MSEE So with the name Sandra as your NG handle, does that make you a "girlyman"?
James C. Reeves - 08 May 2005 23:19 GMT > More mis info from a non technical backround, now we judge emissions and > performance based on exhaust smell? The state aught to hire this person at their emissions stations...would save a bundle on those expensive computer controlled "sniffers".
Steve - 09 May 2005 15:45 GMT Yeah, I think someone's been sniffing WAY too much Sentra exhaust....
> More mis info from a non technical backround, now we judge emissions and > performance based on exhaust smell? [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- JP White - 08 May 2005 21:06 GMT If you're going to reduce yourself to just two seats , no spare etc, why not just get a motorbike. You'll get much better MPG than your Sentra.
You remind me of 'extreme backpackers' who don't take any underwear in order to save weight on the trail. It saves weight, but who'd want to be around one?
Ever think of filling your tires with helium to make the car a little lighter?
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Sandra McGalloway - 08 May 2005 22:00 GMT Huh?? What do you do in rain? Or cold? Or to haul baggage? I removed NONESSENTIAL stuff, i still need, for example, take toolbag to work or a heavy jacked when cold, and GOD FORBIDS if you get into an accident with even a small car - a motorbike doesn't stand a chance... pool of blood. Also an upright bike rider body makes for a terrible aerodynamic resistance so fuel economy is sometimes is not that astonishing vs. your expectations from a light 2-wheel vehicle, besides how far would you get with a small bike gastank? And airconditioning on motorbike is impossible (though I NEVER use CA again to save fuel and I am very sturdy/weathered person dont care for conditions), and radio? And finally, THEFT?
It's so much easier to steal a bike!! And women, how would you take a girl on a bike, what is that?? It works for a few rides then women get tired of sitting on a hard bench.
JP White - 09 May 2005 02:27 GMT I wasn't being serious.
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JP White - 09 May 2005 02:28 GMT > I wasn't being serious. > > JP Ha Ha bloody Ha Ha
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Steve - 09 May 2005 15:45 GMT A sock-puppet has gone off its meds again.....
jojocrazypants@yahoo.com - 10 May 2005 03:30 GMT Oh, wait. All these questions any reasonable SUV or truck owner could through at you. Some of us have growing families, or move stuff around, or tow, etc. Do the Yamaha owners say "f.ck all the car owners"? That would be a little unreasonable, wouldn't it.
Let me give you a few more suggestions on weight reductions: Remove the upholstery and padding from the two remaining seats. Take out the radio, heater and AC controls. DEFINITELY remove the AC compressor. That thing weighs a ton. Take out the carpet and all of the interior trim. You can take your whole dash apart. Just leave in the gauge cluster. Go ahead and get a 1" drill bit and start drilling holes in all the newly exposed metal on the interior. Metal weighs alot and most of that metal is not structural. It's just cheaper to leave it there than to take the extra steps to remove it during the manufacture process. Make sure to recycle the plastic trim and definitely the drill bit shavings. It's good for the environment and scrap steel is worth alot right now. Remove two of the lug nuts from each wheel, 4 or 5 is overkill. Cut off the protuding unused lugs. Remove the exterior mirrors, there will be more aerodynamic advantage than weight but on the highway, mirrors create alot of drag. Remove the high beam bulbs. They are hardly ever used and that is precious ounces. Make sure to remove the passenger side windshield wiper and wiper arm. Always run with your engine oil near the lower mark on the dipstick, any more and you are carrying extra cargo. Same for the transmission. When you fill up, only put in a gallon at a time. Run with the tank as empty as possible. A full tank is at least 100 lbs. extra weight. Besides by the time you get to this point, that one gallon will probably get you 80 miles. Remove the rear brake shoes or pads. They are made mostly of metal and your car will be so light, your front brakes should be enough. Get creative. I'm sure there are more.
HLS@nospam.nix - 10 May 2005 13:10 GMT > It's so much easier to steal a bike!! And women, how would you take a girl > on a bike, what is that?? It works for a few rides then women get tired of > sitting on a hard bench. Not to mention their position on FULKING
John S. - 08 May 2005 22:31 GMT Another high milage vehicle that will seat four comfortably is the VW Golf Diesel. It is rated at 38mpg city and 46mpg highway, but I've heard of higher figures, especially in the city.
Sandra McGalloway - 08 May 2005 23:31 GMT But diesel being inherently more economical comes at a PRICE which is one of the 2 reasons diesel passenger vehicles in the US are non existent (th eother reason is bad experience from 1970's? domestic models that turned off most Americans), namely:
More economical but also more dangerous particle exhaust, even more caricrogenic than gas (old trucks are visibly polluting with black smoke, but even nre lcean diesels pump out horrible invisible particulates), more costly with new quiet models and old diesels make ridiculous noise and so does your Volkswagen - noise, etc, etc, diesla is also harder to get in this country
Raymond J. Henry - 09 May 2005 18:51 GMT >Another high milage vehicle that will seat four comfortably is the VW >Golf Diesel. It is rated at 38mpg city and 46mpg highway, but I've >heard of higher figures, especially in the city. OK, I'm going to jump in here. Vehicles that get high mileage were out many years ago. They have long ago been forgotten because that was not what the buying markets wanted. They did survive in Europe.
My 1969 Fiat 850 Spider only gets less than 60 MPG on the highway if you drive over 70 MPH. My father checked the mileage in his 1957 Nash Metropolitan, and he got 40.6 MPG in the city last tank. That's up from the 36 MPG that he was getting through the winter (down to -40).
So, when people go on about their mileage on newer cars that simply have no character, I just smile. Some of us have been saving at the pumps for years now, and attracting attention with our old rides.
John S. - 11 May 2005 14:37 GMT Yes, I know some of those older tiny cars got pretty good milage. My 1959 Morris Minor 1000 could easily get milage in the 40's and the micro cars of the 50's with their single and two cylinder motors could do even better. There's a local guy that commutes in a restored Fiat 500 - he must get good milage, but his car is dwarfed by a Prius.
But milage is not the only reason for owning a car, and those old cars show their age in many other ways when compared to new ones.
Alotta Fagina - 14 May 2005 13:35 GMT IT'S NOT TINY!! 2004 Sentra is NOT 1995 Sentra, it's a 4-door small but still not a tiny tin can!!
John S. - 20 May 2005 17:03 GMT Pleas read the thread before responding. We were talking about older micro-cars.
Jasper Janssen - 11 Jul 2005 12:51 GMT > There's a local guy that commutes in a restored Fiat >500 - he must get good milage, but his car is dwarfed by a Prius. Plus, the 500 is a real man's car, with a man's transmission. None of this wimpy syncromesh thing. If doubleclutching was good enough for my grandfather it's good enough for me!
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Kruse - 08 May 2005 22:51 GMT I spend so little on gas and
> feel so good about not polluting air (=CANCER). > > The reason is basic: REDUCTION in weight + driving habits. What diet plan did you use and how can we reduce pollution on the newsgroups? :-0
Sandra McGalloway - 08 May 2005 23:33 GMT Diet's are typical American BS. people in this country get too much comfort and eat too damn much and they believe different scumsters and diets. What makes me skinny is physical load, not what I eat but yes I also eat healthy: no meat, mostly plants and fish and ecolofgically clean/organic, yes it costs much $$ but doctors will cost you more later, and the more we people buy organics, etc the lower price will go due to competition
Kruse - 09 May 2005 01:41 GMT > Diet's are typical American BS. people in this country get too much comfort > and eat too damn much <snip> My previous two statements in my last post was a joke. You were probably the only person in this newsgroup who didn't think so. I only commented because (like about every other populated newsgroup) a new poster SUDDENLY comes in, makes a few posts to show his/her expertise, inflames the whole group and then suddenly leaves. In this newsgroup, the person is usually somebody who has never gotten his/her hands dirty.
Enjoy your car.
Alotta Fagina - 14 May 2005 13:34 GMT SO WAS MINE?? WHO'S JOKE WAS THE LAST??
TeGGeR® - 09 May 2005 14:28 GMT > I also eat healthy: no meat, mostly plants and fish "...no meat..."?
Are fish plants?
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Alotta Fagina - 14 May 2005 13:34 GMT FISH ARE NOT MEAT, FISH IS NECESSARY BUT IT'S NOT MEAT!!
JP White - 14 May 2005 18:20 GMT > FISH ARE NOT MEAT, FISH IS NECESSARY BUT IT'S NOT MEAT!! Unless you're vegan, they consider fish to be meat.
> Many who give up red meat feel a need to eat some fish at least for a > while, but fishes are animals not vegetables. The Vegetarian Society > has made a great effort to educate caterers in particular on this > point by insisting that fish do not grow on trees nor sprout out of > the ground. see the following link for more 'interesting' viewpoints.
http://www.veganviews.org.uk/vv99/vv99nomorefish.html
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larrybud2002@yahoo.com - 16 May 2005 14:02 GMT > FISH ARE NOT MEAT, FISH IS NECESSARY BUT IT'S NOT MEAT!! Only to those in denial are fish not meat. Of course fish are meat. Meat is muscle. What exactly do you think you're eating?
James C. Reeves - 08 May 2005 23:27 GMT > [SNIP] > > Now FULK ALL THE SUV'S AND THEIR OWNERS!! How de we "fulk" SUV's? I want to know so I can start right away! Complete instructions requested!
JP White - 09 May 2005 02:35 GMT > How de we "fulk" SUV's? I want to know so I can start right away! Complete > instructions requested! Fulk = Fill Up (with) loadsa Kerosene ? That should fulk up the engine at least.
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Alotta Fagina - 14 May 2005 04:41 GMT what is your problem???zz
jojocrazypants@yahoo.com - 10 May 2005 03:14 GMT Well that is pretty extreme to take your car apart. I'm not sure if you realize it but reducing all that weight puts you at an even bigger disadvantage in a wreck. And FULK YOU, I just moved a twin bed and a 6 drawer dresser and my daughter and wife in my suburban. How many trips would that errand have taken in a Sentra? Answer: none, I couldn't have loaded any of it.
Alotta Fagina - 11 May 2005 14:14 GMT You can load all because I removed one seat!! I in fact hauled 40 innch HDTV display in my little Sentra!!
Alotta Fagina - 11 May 2005 14:15 GMT Also when you're light not necessarily dangerous because in a collisiuon I fly away from accident scene due to lightweight, I just jump out into some bush otr curbside
Duren,Christopher Erich - 10 May 2005 18:51 GMT > As I stated previously my 2004 Sentra makes 40+mpg highway and 36+ moderate > city/highway mix and still veor 30 heavy city. I spend so little on gas and [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Now FULK ALL THE SUV'S AND THEIR OWNERS!! My 1993 toyota corolla gets 40 on the interstate and i haven't made any modifications.
Alotta Fagina - 11 May 2005 13:09 GMT Yes I remember my old 1992 Nissan Sentra, but these tin cans make such mileage due to extremely tiny size, God forbiods if you ever get into accident you will look like canned sardine just opened for breakfast.
I am getting this mieleag in a small but still not a tiny 2-dor can, my Sentra is 4-door and relatively impressive, not Altima but still not 1992 model I sued to have. SO yes I needed to reduce weight, I am happy you dont need to modfiy anythign to getthis milegae in 1993 model but you;re not safe and what happens to your rear passenger legs??
I remember the legs were hurt severely due to crammed space hehehhehehehe
Also pollution is not always 100% coupled to fuel efficiency, maybe you spew out toxins much higher level than my new 2004 PZEV-rated Sentra. Pollution is not just public problem, also your own when you stand near or your cxhildren inhale vapors aqnd then become genetically disturnbed
ed - 11 May 2005 17:41 GMT well, I just raised my SUV and ditch winching fee 50 more bucks. thanks.
Alotta Fagina - 14 May 2005 13:33 GMT Duren,Christopher Erich - 19 May 2005 20:47 GMT > Yes I remember my old 1992 Nissan Sentra, but these tin cans make such > mileage due to extremely tiny size, God forbiods if you ever get into [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > is not just public problem, also your own when you stand near or your > cxhildren inhale vapors aqnd then become genetically disturnbed 1. I don't have rear passengers. 2. I don't have any children to be sucking on the tailpipe.(I'm 19) 3. I am a defensive driver, so lethal wrecks are, although possible, not likely
Duren,Christopher Erich - 19 May 2005 20:57 GMT > Yes I remember my old 1992 Nissan Sentra, but these tin cans make such > mileage due to extremely tiny size, God forbiods if you ever get into > accident you will look like canned sardine just opened for breakfast. ...colorful
"Alotta Fagina", how original. A weak joke at the time the movie came out, and still not that funny today. I bite my thumb at thee.
Duren,Christopher Erich - 19 May 2005 20:58 GMT > Yes I remember my old 1992 Nissan Sentra, but these tin cans make such > mileage due to extremely tiny size, God forbiods if you ever get into > accident you will look like canned sardine just opened for breakfast. ...colorful
"Alotta Fagina", how original. A weak joke at the time the movie came out, and still not that funny today. I bite my thumb at thee.
mjt - 11 May 2005 17:21 GMT ("Sandra McGalloway" <MetalBladeSPAMNOMORE@SPAMNOMOREprodigy.net>) scribbled:
> Even to extreme: removed spare > tire/wheel/jack/wrench as I am covered by 2-year roadside assistance (free > for a new car) ... oh, that's great ... and what if they cant plug the tire ??? exactly WHAT RIM/TIRE will they use? do you think they keep various styles/size of rims on the repair truck ?
 Signature << http://michaeljtobler.homelinux.com () >> The full impact of parenthood doesn't hit you until you multiply the number of your kids by 32 teeth.
Alotta Fagina - 12 May 2005 14:08 GMT Yes!! MY ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE CAME FREE WITH NEW SENTRA FROM NISSAN, IF THEY SERVICE NISSAN THEY PROBABLY HAVE SENTRAS, MAXIMAS AND ALTIMAS TIRES ON REPAIR TRUCK WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY DONT ASK MY VIN#??
TWO TIMES I CALLED AND EVERY TIME THEY ASK MODEL + VIN# THEY KNOW (!) WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT TO SERVICE AND TRUCK IS DISPATCHED WITH NECESSARY MATERIALS/TOOLS
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