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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / September 2005

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JHI - 08 Jun 2005 02:12 GMT
I brought my 1997 Dodge Intrepid into the shop for new rear struts.  They
could not do the job because they could not remove the lower bolts (the one
that run parallel to the ground). He told me that he broke 2 stainless
sockets.

Any suggestions are welcomed.

Thanks.
stevefrench - 08 Jun 2005 02:34 GMT
This may not sound helpful but I would suggest that you spray a lot of WD40
on them on one day and then bring them to someone else (another mechanic)
the next day.
Some are better at turning wrenches than others.
Also, who knows (?) , maybe the mechanic was in a hurry  to get out of work
and exagerated about the broken sockets.
I would take it to another shop after you soak it a day in the WD40

> I brought my 1997 Dodge Intrepid into the shop for new rear struts.  They
> could not do the job because they could not remove the lower bolts (the one
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> Thanks.
Nate Nagel - 08 Jun 2005 02:39 GMT
WD-40 sucks, use a real penetrating oil like Kroil or Wuerth Rost Off.
PB Blaster works OK, just not as well as the other two (but you're more
likely to find it in a store)

WD-40 is great for cleaning locks and stuff and for drying out your
distributor cap... but as a penetrating oil I've never had much luck
with it...

nate

> This may not sound helpful but I would suggest that you spray a lot of WD40
> on them on one day and then bring them to someone else (another mechanic)
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>>Thanks.

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Nate Nagel - 08 Jun 2005 02:36 GMT
> I brought my 1997 Dodge Intrepid into the shop for new rear struts.  They
> could not do the job because they could not remove the lower bolts (the one
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> Thanks.

penetrating oil, air tools, finally just cut the mother off and replace
it.  I haven't a clue what the lower shock bolt on an Intrepid looks
like, but it surely is just a standard bolt and nut like what I'd
consider a "normal" car?

If it's *not* normal, how about a nut splitter and then chase the
threads with a rethreading die?

Can someone clue me in as to what is so difficult about the lower shock
bolt on an Intrepid?  I'm a little amazed that a mechanic would actually
say that he couldn't do a job because he couldn't get a bolt loose.
(well, unless it threaded into a blind hole in cast iron... those *can*
be problematic.)

nate

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ed - 08 Jun 2005 03:56 GMT
I've had better luck with PB Blaster than Kroil.
Pb you can at least get easily. Kroil is hard to find.
(works good getting paint off your hands too but I wouldnt recommend it)

> > I brought my 1997 Dodge Intrepid into the shop for new rear struts.  They
> > could not do the job because they could not remove the lower bolts (the one
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> nate
Ted Mittelstaedt - 08 Jun 2005 10:39 GMT
> I brought my 1997 Dodge Intrepid into the shop for new rear struts.  They
> could not do the job because they could not remove the lower bolts (the one
> that run parallel to the ground). He told me that he broke 2 stainless
> sockets.

Stainless steel is not particularly strong for this kind of work.  Hardened
steel sockets particularly ones designed for air impact guns and made from
chrome
molybdenum steel are what you use.

Ted
Mike Romain - 08 Jun 2005 15:19 GMT
I would recommend you find a garage that a) uses real tools and b) isn't
totally full of sh.t.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

> I brought my 1997 Dodge Intrepid into the shop for new rear struts.  They
> could not do the job because they could not remove the lower bolts (the one
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> Thanks.
JHI - 09 Jun 2005 00:01 GMT
Thanks to all,

Jeff
>I would recommend you find a garage that a) uses real tools and b) isn't
> totally full of sh.t.
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>> Thanks.
Alex Rodriguez - 10 Jun 2005 16:18 GMT
>I brought my 1997 Dodge Intrepid into the shop for new rear struts.  They
>could not do the job because they could not remove the lower bolts (the one
>that run parallel to the ground). He told me that he broke 2 stainless
>sockets.
>
>Any suggestions are welcomed.

Take it to a better shop who knows what they are doing.
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JHI - 12 Jun 2005 15:05 GMT
I took it to another shop...same results.

>>I brought my 1997 Dodge Intrepid into the shop for new rear struts.  They
>>could not do the job because they could not remove the lower bolts (the
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Nate Nagel - 12 Jun 2005 23:23 GMT
Where do you live?  Time for someone to recommend a shop to you i think.

nate

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JHI - 12 Jun 2005 23:48 GMT
Great idea, THANKS!

North Miami Beach, Florida  33160

> Where do you live?  Time for someone to recommend a shop to you i think.
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N8N - 13 Jun 2005 16:46 GMT
Unfortunately I'm no help from up here in Maryland...

nate

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Barry S. - 11 Sep 2005 17:48 GMT
I'm coming a bit late to the coversation but...

>I took it to another shop...same results.

I use to work for a Dodge dealer and I don't recall Intrepid rear
strut replacement being that hard..  Anyways in cases of stuck bolts.

I usually do the following:

1. Good quality 1/2" Impact Wrench and impact sockets

Failing that:

2. Heat up the area around the bolt with a torch.. (CAREFUL!) and try
the impact again.
3. PB Blaster that soaks for a day
4. Air hammer on the bolt itself to try and dislodge it.. Usually
destroy it..  (See an example here:
http://www.mailsack.org/lugnut.JPG)
5. Weld a nut onto clean metal after making a mess of the bolt
6. Drill it out & Retap.

Now, what I REALLY think happened is your tech is flat rated and gets
paid for his 1.2 hours (or whatever it is) for the job..  Problem
bolts are a productivity killer.

I was once working on a Cadillac Allante 4.1L with Digital Dash and
loads of electronics and had to weld a nut onto a broken water pump
bolt to get it out.  The water pump job had a flat rate time of
something like 2 hours.. It took the better part of a day.

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