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I make 40+ mpg
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Verdadero - 04 Jul 2005 23:30 GMT Methanol being unacceptable is true. Ethanol is OK upto 20% but methanol spells death to consumer cars, methanol over 6% in your fuel requires serious modifications so forget it
As of 85% ethanol i dont know, what I do know is that my 2004 Nissan Sentra now makes 40+ mpg and will even go up! I use a simple physics law: it takes energy to accelerate weight, I reduce that weight. I went to extreme by removing spare tire the FIRST day of drving it in September 2004 as I am covered for 2 years roadside and take spar eONLy to 100+ mile trips from home and heck I might never load it, removed back seat, visors, trunk is empty, installed ALUMINUM LIGHT_WEIGHT ALLOY wheels with strength rating equal or better than original steel, this reduces unsprung weight->reduces train on engine to accelerate and brake, I use a real oil and not dirt-cheap petro-junk sold in conveneince stores, I am an engineer and always try to find the bes tspecifications and environmentally-wise which happens to be AMSOIl and not Mobil as most fo you ar ebrainwashed to believe, AMSOIl synthetic 5W30.
I am myself 5'7 and skinny, light clothes, etc etc th ebottom light this car is like a motorocycle now, light, excellent handling, people drop theoi rjaws when they see a cheap Sentraaccelerating and braking instantly like a Ferrai. And whole deal cost me now $19K, i am nto complaining I am happy an ddont need 85% rethanol and DONT CARE FOR RISING GAS COSTS, MORONS WHO BUY HAMMERS AND FULLSIZED SUV'S ARE TRULLY MORONS AND CRIMINALS AGAINS TNATURE
HLS@nospam.nix - 05 Jul 2005 00:08 GMT Hugo Schmeisser - 05 Jul 2005 02:49 GMT <snip...>
> And whole deal cost me now $19K, i am nto > complaining I am happy an ddont need 85% rethanol and DONT CARE FOR > RISING GAS COSTS, So you spent $19,000 to save $500 in gas? As an economy strategy your system leaves a little to be desired...
JazzMan - 05 Jul 2005 03:24 GMT > <snip...> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > So you spent $19,000 to save $500 in gas? As an economy strategy your > system leaves a little to be desired... Actually, figure a large SUV runs $30-40k easy, he saved $500 gas and $10-20K in vehicle purchase costs, and likely saves another $1k in insurance, $500 or more in tire replacement costs, etc.
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Verdadero - 05 Jul 2005 03:59 GMT No I spent this to avoid being another BORING shoe on the streets and cities with a million look-alike silver-color shoe-shaped cars.
My fuel efficiency did NOT require much investment, it's all about weight reduction and only major expense was Aluminum wheels
Verdadero - 05 Jul 2005 04:03 GMT Also, it's all about dollars, when we die we see our maker and every decision you made in thi slife will be examined, my point is besides saving fuel is saving environment, anything heavy and wastefull is a pollutant. This Sentra is PZEV already (partially zeroemissions vehicle), when idle i sense pure warm air, not a hint of stench I used to get from old Oldsmobile I sold after 4 months of suffering, it's a clean efficient machine and my point was to take it even further by reducin gweight, unspring weight (wheels), AMSOIL synth oil, premkum gas, and TAKING SUBWAY WHENEVER POSSIBLE, i hat ebus but subwy in New York City is often faster/much cheaper than guzzling around, this car is primarily for fun/weekends
Verdadero - 05 Jul 2005 05:12 GMT sorry i meant NOT ALL ABOUT DOLLARS, MY TYPO COMPLETELY REVERSED TH EMEANING OF MY ARTICLE
BillyBBad - 05 Jul 2005 14:20 GMT >sorry i meant NOT ALL ABOUT DOLLARS, MY TYPO COMPLETELY REVERSED TH EMEANING >OF MY ARTICLE I don't have a clue as to what type of "engineer" you consider yourself to be (maybe it's a title of some certificate you got from Microsoft, but Microsoft doesn't get to certify "engineers" in my profession), but you need to slow down your presentation, and check your spelling, often. I doubt you've seen a Ferrari "in action" except for the things on TV races. Even Ferrari cannot make a Sentra perform as one, I doubt you have the skills either, but you're correct that lightening the engine's load will increase the performance where it counts. I followed you up to the point where you consider that your creator (come on out and tell us who that is) cares enough to be testing us on our earthly sojourn as to whether we've used our minimal allotment of gasoline/petroleum products. IMO the petroleum's been around longer than most biblical zealots will admit to the age of the planet, and I've never seen any specific biblical reference that the creator buried the stuff deep underground to prevent its discovery until the last part of the last millenia. IOW if we ever do meet a cosmic thunderer, or classical biblical god, I doubt fuel consumption will be high on the list of "sins" used to cast us into the lake of fire and brimstone (and just what is he using to keep that thing going?). There's a large portion of the human population that's never even ridden a motor driven conveyance, according to your zealous logic, they're truely going to be blessed. If so, then it matters little that you're using up the gasoline they're never going to need anyway. You also have a huge misconception (thanks Nissan) about PZE. First off, idling, you're not ZE, in fact you're probably doing nearly the maximum allowable by mandate emitting. Nissan gets to slap the Sentra with PZE the same as any other manufacturer can, you turn off fuel injectors during deceleration. That's it. There's not more to PZE than that, does that mean there's no pollutants coming out of the exhaust? Nope, it means that for one injector's cycle, fuel wasn't introduced, so there's no emissions for that one injector's cycle. The ones that did supply fuel probably did pollute, but hey, we need to make guys like you feel good.
JP White - 09 Jul 2005 12:00 GMT when idle i
> sense pure warm air, not a hint of stench I used to get from old Oldsmobile > I sold after 4 months of suffering, it's a clean efficient machine I suggest that you sit inside and idle your vehicle in a closed garage for a few hours and report back to us how emissions free your vehicle truly is.
JP
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Verdadero - 05 Jul 2005 05:12 GMT sorry i meant NOT ALL ABOUT DOLLARS, MY TYPO COMPLETELY REVERSED TH EMEANING OF MY ARTICLE
Jon C - 05 Jul 2005 13:25 GMT >><snip...> >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > JazzMan Nice.
I bought a Grand Am instead of a Bentley.
I've saved $200,000 already!
Hugo Schmeisser - 06 Jul 2005 17:33 GMT > > > <snip...> > > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I've saved $200,000 already! Today I absolutely refused to purchase a Maybach 62 (it was a difficult decision), saving myself a cool $500,000. I think tomorrow I'll refuse to buy a Lamborghini Murcielago.
JP White - 09 Jul 2005 12:11 GMT > Today I absolutely refused to purchase a Maybach 62 (it was a difficult > decision), saving myself a cool $500,000. I think tomorrow I'll refuse > to buy a Lamborghini Murcielago. I totally agree. I refused to buy these as well. I have been eying up a Trek bicycle recently (they're really cheap compared to cars), the sales guy claims it is totally emissons free, is very light as compared to the average SUV and it has health benefits over SUV's such as reduced body weight, blood pressure and cholesterol.
I am still trying figure out how I can attach a hitch to tow a trailer and boat. For some reason no one sells one for a bicycle.
JP
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JazzMan - 09 Jul 2005 15:53 GMT > > Today I absolutely refused to purchase a Maybach 62 (it was a difficult > > decision), saving myself a cool $500,000. I think tomorrow I'll refuse [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I am still trying figure out how I can attach a hitch to tow a trailer > and boat. For some reason no one sells one for a bicycle. Yes, that's true. Considering that the vast majority of SUVs and large trucks are never, ever used to tow anything, much less a boat on a trailer, the point you make is very small, very sharp, and well hidden by your hair. :)
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I love Edsels - 10 Jul 2005 17:47 GMT ....................................snip............
>I am still trying figure out how I can attach a hitch to tow a trailer >and boat. For some reason no one sells one for a bicycle. > >JP ..that'll be your hand. Anyone ever hookey-bob the school bus? (snow required)
Don Stauffer - 05 Jul 2005 14:57 GMT Driving style also seriously effects gas milage, especially if you drive a stick shift. With either style of transmission, minimize brake use. Don't go roaring up to red lights and slam on brakes.
Consider- all the energy that is coming from the brakes in the form of heat originally comes from gas tank.
If you have stick shift, accelerate moderately- not only slight throttle- but shift as early as possible. Coast a lot when necessary (either shift into neutral or keep clutch in). Play lights.
Stick shift subcompacts should all be capable of near 40 mpg.
Now, some of these recommendations go against the things some of use old folks- I'm 67- were taught when we learned to drive. But cars have changed. Lugging no longer hurts an engine like it used to (better bearings, oil, crankshaft alloys), and clutch throwout bearings last life of car now. Lugging is okay as long as car does not shudder, and with FI that means you can really lug her down.
Paul Hovnanian P.E. - 06 Jul 2005 03:47 GMT > Driving style also seriously effects gas milage, especially if you drive > a stick shift. With either style of transmission, minimize brake use. > Don't go roaring up to red lights and slam on brakes. They say that the best way to improve your car's gas mileage is to adjust the nut behind the steering wheel.
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alfredB18@prodigy.net - 06 Jul 2005 06:38 GMT > <snip...> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > So you spent $19,000 to save $500 in gas? As an economy strategy your > system leaves a little to be desired... Agreed. All that jazz could have been done on a $500 beater. Okay, maybe not quite that good, but lighten up a Metro or Festiva and you still have a shoe-box unibody car that gets 40mpgs. Like a Sentra.
Big deal.
culfan - 05 Jul 2005 02:55 GMT You gotta be kidding...
> I am an engineer Ashton Crusher - 05 Jul 2005 04:59 GMT >You gotta be kidding... > >> I am an engineer He's a troll.
Verdadero - 05 Jul 2005 05:13 GMT John S. - 06 Jul 2005 20:01 GMT > I use a real oil and not dirt-cheap petro-junk sold in conveneince stores, I > am an engineer and always try to find the bes tspecifications and > environmentally-wise which happens to be AMSOIl and not Mobil as most fo you > ar ebrainwashed to believe, AMSOIl synthetic 5W30. Why is Amsoil any better than Mobil 1.
I've read the information on their home website as well as some of their dealers, and to be honest I don't trust them because of the overhyped advertising and outright bashing they engage in. I feel like I have to wash the oil off my hands after visiting their website.
HLS@nospam.nix - 11 Jul 2005 00:02 GMT > > I use a real oil and not dirt-cheap petro-junk sold in conveneince stores, I > > am an engineer and always try to find the bes tspecifications and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > overhyped advertising and outright bashing they engage in. I feel like > I have to wash the oil off my hands after visiting their website. You and millions of others. Whether or not Amsoil is worth a damn, their marketing tactics and unfounded claims make them highly suspicious.
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