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Mel - 27 Aug 2005 19:01 GMT
the daughters 2002 Venture needs a compressor and drier. Its the one
with the rear a/c. Price quoted ( are you sitting down?): $$$$1500$$$$$
!!!!!! Can this this be in the ballpark?  Thanx, Mel Owen

                         
                 
                                                                       
                                                                         
Shep - 27 Aug 2005 20:13 GMT
You need to post exactly what the estimate entails, parts and labor, to get
any reasonable response as to whether it is in the ball park..
> the daughters 2002 Venture needs a compressor and drier. Its the one
> with the rear a/c. Price quoted ( are you sitting down?): $$$$1500$$$$$
> !!!!!! Can this this be in the ballpark?  Thanx, Mel Owen
Mel - 28 Aug 2005 05:35 GMT
Shep...she took it to a local independent garage in good standing, and
was told the comp, seals were leaking, and needed a drier. The
trouble-shoot cost 89 bucks,    

                         
                 
                                                                       
                                                                         
Ted Mittelstaedt - 28 Aug 2005 09:41 GMT
> Shep...she took it to a local independent garage in good standing, and
> was told the comp, seals were leaking, and needed a drier. The
> trouble-shoot cost 89 bucks,

You can get a remanufactured AC compressor for about $300 online from here:
http://www.discountacparts.com/

Call around to your local auto parts stores and get quotes on a reman unit,
it will be similar or possibly lower.  Then tell the garage you have been
calling around to auto parts places for pricing on reman compressors
and you want them to to quote a reman compressor for this job.  It will
probably be at least 10% higher, but if you tell them your buying the
compressor elsewhere and having them install it, they won't warranty
the work.  That should be enough to keep them from completely hosing
you down on the compressor price.

If the system just recently stopped working, then a new compressor and
a new drier may be fine.  But if the system has been nonfunctional for a
year or more, then water will have got into the lines and to really do it
right everything needs to be pulled apart and flushed, with new o rings used
throughout.. It is a big, long, involved job that takes a lot of labor so
that
price may be accurate.

This is why I've been doing my own A/C work for years.

You can also get a used one from a wrecking yard for about $100 but
it will probably be leaking also - unless of course it's been replaced.
Since the remans and replacements have stickers slapped all over them it
is usually fairly easy for wreckers to identify the good ones, and they
will warranty them.  Of course you will pay the garage for extra time
if they install one from a wrecker and it leaks off the bat and you have
to take it back to the wrecker and get a different one, but that may
not be a lot of time.  Of course, once again, they won't guarentee the
work if you do that.

Ted
Steve B. - 28 Aug 2005 14:55 GMT
>> Shep...she took it to a local independent garage in good standing, and
>> was told the comp, seals were leaking, and needed a drier. The
>> trouble-shoot cost 89 bucks,
>
>You can get a remanufactured AC compressor for about $300 online from here:
>http://www.discountacparts.com/

Spend the extra $100 on a new one.  The rebuilds really suck on these.
A rebuilt alternator isn't so bad when it fails but a rebuilt
compressor requires that all the work be done again costing you
several hundred to replace the compressor that has  a "free
replacement warranty"

                   Steve B.
Mel - 28 Aug 2005 23:23 GMT
Steve B...I agree, who wants to buy double labor charges @ 7/800$ a
pop??
 thx again... Mel

                         
                 
                                                                       
                                                                         
Ted Mittelstaedt - 29 Aug 2005 10:21 GMT
> >> Shep...she took it to a local independent garage in good standing, and
> >> was told the comp, seals were leaking, and needed a drier. The
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> several hundred to replace the compressor that has  a "free
> replacement warranty"

I've found that if you do the job right the first time, that is clean out
all
the lines and such, that the rebuilds last well beyond their free
replacement
warranty period.

I think the problem is one of perception.  Remans are generally used by
DIYers and used car dealers and such who just replace it and fill it and
hope the thing holds together long enough to sell it.  As a result they
almost
always blow up rapidly.  So the popular perception is that the reman units
are crap, when the real problem is that people that do crap AC work
always buy rebuilds, and the professionals that do good AC work are
charging so much money (due to the labor involved) that an extra $100
on the bill is a drop in the bucket.

In any case if the OP is having a shop do it, he's going to have to be
looking at the warranty period the shop gives for the entire job, not the
warranty on the compressor.

Ted
Steve B. - 30 Aug 2005 00:57 GMT
>I've found that if you do the job right the first time, that is clean out
>all the lines and such, that the rebuilds last well beyond their free
>replacement warranty period.

I think you are probably right for many compressors but not this
particular one.  I don't know enough about them to know why they
rebuild poorly but I have owned or been associated with enough of them
to know that this one just doesn't hold up after being rebuilt and it
doesn't seem to matter who rebuilds it.

                   Steve B.
Ted Mittelstaedt - 30 Aug 2005 08:23 GMT
> >I've found that if you do the job right the first time, that is clean out
> >all the lines and such, that the rebuilds last well beyond their free
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>
>                     Steve B.

Ever since vehicle manufacturers went to reciprocating compressors
instead of the old piston & valve ones, AC compressors just don't
seem to be worth a sh.t.  If the new style compressors that automakers
use are so great, how come every air compressor you buy uses a
real piston and valve?

Ted
Alex Rodriguez - 30 Aug 2005 17:57 GMT
>Ever since vehicle manufacturers went to reciprocating compressors
>instead of the old piston & valve ones, AC compressors just don't
>seem to be worth a sh.t.  If the new style compressors that automakers
>use are so great, how come every air compressor you buy uses a
>real piston and valve?

Just a guess, but there is no agency checking to see what gas mileage you
get out of your compressor at home.
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Alex
Mel - 28 Aug 2005 23:31 GMT
Ted...thx for the great tips. Now if I was just 40 yrs younger I might
consider trying it myself....wait, I just recalled what that engine
compartment looks like. First time I looked I was unable to find the
-battery- no kidding!  Mel

                         
                 
                                                                       
                                                                         
Ted Mittelstaedt - 29 Aug 2005 11:22 GMT
> Ted...thx for the great tips. Now if I was just 40 yrs younger I might
> consider trying it myself....wait, I just recalled what that engine
> compartment looks like. First time I looked I was unable to find the
> -battery- no kidding!  Mel

Mel I figured you wouldn't be doing it yourself.  The advice I was giving
was intended to assist in negotiating.

All shops put a markup on parts, but some shops put a fair markup on
parts, and other shops put a gouging markup on parts.  You should
know what the retail prices are of any large ticket parts going into
a repair on your vehicle before you sign off on an estimate.  If the
markup on the parts that the shop puts down on the estimate is in the
gouging category, and you display to them that you are aware of current
street prices of the parts, you may find that suddenly they become very
flexible on the parts cost.

The other thing to keep in mind is most garages have ongoing relationships
with parts suppliers and as a result, aren't paying retail on the stuff to
begin with.  So for a compressor that you pay $450 retail on if you
buy it over the counter at NAPA, the garage is probably paying NAPA
$410 for it or even lower.

While I generally try to avoid having to pay a garage to do work, every
once in a while I have to.  Such as recently when I was 20 miles from home
on the other side of a very congested set of highways, and the alternator
V-belt broke.  The repair place charged $20 for the belt
and a half hour labor the total bill was $60.  (the belt that broke was
the outside belt and would have taken a mechanic about 5 minutes to
change)  The belt was $20 MSRP, but retail over the counter cost is
about $6.  The garage probably bought it for $5 so I got stuck with
a 400% markup on this, plus paying 30 minutes to a tech where 20
of it he was probably sitting on his a.s taking a smoke break.  But I
can't complain since I should have been paying closer attention to the
belt condition.  And for a $60 bill it's not worth arguing over.

Your daughter is operating under 2 handicaps here.  First she's a
woman, and I don't give a crap about what anyone says about equality,
women get screwed over by repairs more.  Simple fact.  It is
probably the perception by garages that woman are more easily
lied to, I don't know.  But we all have seen it and there's no point
in arguing.

Secondly and more importantly, she is trying to get a system fixed
that is non critical, it isn't a requirement for running the vehicle.  Any
garage knows right off the bat that with AC work, if someone wants
to spend the money to fix it, they obviously aren't living hand-to-mouth.
It isn't after all like the vehicle isn't running and is needed to get to
and
from work.  Not only that, the mpg hit taken by rolling down the
windows vs running the AC is not that big, quite likely at most a
couple bucks a tank of gas.  So your looking at most likely years
of time before the repair cost is paid for by the fuel savings.  Fixing
AC is thus almost purely a convenience/comfort thing for the driver, like
fixing a broken cupholder, and the only people who can afford to do
it are the people who have enough money so that the garage can
get away with charging what the market will bear.  Garages aren't stupid
and know all of this.

Ted
Mel - 30 Aug 2005 00:58 GMT
Ted, thx for the truly excellent insights into this situation, a great
post!!  Mel

                         
                 
                                                                       
                                                                         
Alex Rodriguez - 29 Aug 2005 20:51 GMT
>Shep...she took it to a local independent garage in good standing, and
>was told the comp, seals were leaking, and needed a drier. The
>trouble-shoot cost 89 bucks,                                                  
                   
You still didn't answer his question.  What parts are they replacing?
How much are they charging for each part?  How much labor for each part?
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Alex
Mel - 30 Aug 2005 00:56 GMT
Alex...I havent seen the repair estimate, I have to go by a quick phone
conversation, so I had to advise her to shop it around for a better idea
of a final price.    thx,  Mel

                         
                 
                                                                       
                                                                         
Steve B. - 27 Aug 2005 20:58 GMT
>the daughters 2002 Venture needs a compressor and drier. Its the one
>with the rear a/c. Price quoted ( are you sitting down?): $$$$1500$$$$$
>!!!!!! Can this this be in the ballpark?  Thanx, Mel Owen
>
>                          
A new compressor is around $450.  Dryer is another $50.  Add a couple
hundred for flushing the system and replacing the compressor. Normally
I would expect somewhere in the $800 neighborhood for a job like this.
Did you take it to the dealer?  Best bet will probably be to find a
good independent a/c shop.

                 Steve B.
Mel - 28 Aug 2005 05:38 GMT
Steve B...yep, an independent, prolly MORE than a dealer, huh? thx, Mel

                         
                 
                                                                       
                                                                         
HLS@nospam.nix - 27 Aug 2005 22:27 GMT
> the daughters 2002 Venture needs a compressor and drier. Its the one
> with the rear a/c. Price quoted ( are you sitting down?): $$$$1500$$$$$
> !!!!!! Can this this be in the ballpark?  Thanx, Mel Owen

Must be a dealership price... You should also tip him about $1000,
Mel - 28 Aug 2005 05:41 GMT
HLS...mebbe the 1500$ included  the one grand tip!   thx, Mel

                         
                 
                                                                       
                                                                         
KENG - 27 Aug 2005 23:32 GMT
It must have "Black Death".

> the daughters 2002 Venture needs a compressor and drier. Its the one
> with the rear a/c. Price quoted ( are you sitting down?): $$$$1500$$$$$
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>                                                                          
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mst - 28 Aug 2005 15:23 GMT
> the daughters 2002 Venture needs a compressor and drier. Its the one
> with the rear a/c. Price quoted ( are you sitting down?):
> $$$$1500$$$$$ !!!!!! Can this this be in the ballpark?  Thanx, Mel

I've found Rock Auto to have great pricing - and based
on your vehicle:
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/catalog.php?carcode=1380394&pgname=Heat+%26%2338
%3B+Air+Conditioning


ACDELCO Part # 1510088
RECEIVER & DEHYDRATOR,A/C {#151818}    $74.79

FOUR SEASONS Part # 67476
w/MSC130CVSG2 Reman Compressor; w/ Clutch; w/ Rear AC
$346.89    $36.00    $382.89

ACDELCO Part # 1521183 OMPRESSOR,A/C w/RR AUX A/C(C69)
{replaces 5-20445 #1520445} $478.79    $0.00    $478.79

ACDELCO Part # 1520744 COMPRESSOR,A/C w/o RR AUX A/C(C69)
{replaces 15-20444 #1520440} $487.79

... Just for parts, the cheapest would be ~$460 and the
worse case scenario: $555. Labor in the $200+ range.

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Mel - 28 Aug 2005 23:20 GMT
thx for all the urls, mst...I think mebbe the daughter needs a few more
estimates! I dont know if the quote was for new or reman but the labor
cost looks like at least as much as the parts so I would think new would
be the best way to go.  Mel Owen

                         
                 
                                                                       
                                                                         

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