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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / October 2005do mufflers give you that hot rod engine noise?
i am looking at an antique truck. The original engine was replaced with a Chevy 350 crate engine. Otherwise it looks original. Problem is, when you start the engine it sounds like a hot rod -- throaty muscle car type of sound. I want a sedate old car sound. My question -- is this sound simply a funciton of the muffler? Could I tone it down by changing to a different muffler? Or is this engine sound due to the engine, and no muffler is going to change it? thanks > i am looking at an antique truck. The original engine was replaced > with a Chevy 350 crate engine. Otherwise it looks original. Problem > is, when you start the engine it sounds like a hot rod -- throaty > muscle car type of sound. I want a sedate old car sound. My question > -- is this sound simply a funciton of the muffler? Could I tone it > down by changing to a different muffler? Yes. > Or is this engine sound due > to the engine, and no muffler is going to change it? Partly, but a muffler change will fix it.  Signatureremove MYSHOES to email > i am looking at an antique truck. The original engine was replaced with a > Chevy 350 crate engine. Otherwise it looks original. Problem is, when you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > thanks Depends on what you find objectionable about the sound. If it's simply the volume, then yes changing the mufflers will help. However you will have to seek the advice of a GOOD muffler guy as most aftermarket mufflers are aimed at the "performance" crowd who value low backpressure over quietness. Stay away from "turbo" mufflers, glasspacks, and Flowmasters or imitations thereof. They sound good, IMHO, but aren't what you seem to be looking for. Alternately, you could run a glasspack in series with the existing mufflers, if they're "turbo" style or similar. This will yield a deep, throaty sound without a whole lot of volume. Also adding a balance tube, crossover, H-pipe, whatever you want to call it, will mellow out the sound without any performance hit. If what you dislike is the lumpy idle due to a performance cam (which crate motor are we talking about, anyway?) there's really not much that can be done short of installing a milder camshaft, which IMHO isn't worth it. good luck, nate >> i am looking at an antique truck. The original engine was replaced with a >> Chevy 350 crate engine. Otherwise it looks original. Problem is, when you [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > tube, crossover, H-pipe, whatever you want to call it, will mellow out > the sound without any performance hit. Ditto on what N8N says about adding the H-pipe/crossover pipe for quieter operation. I've seen many guys who were unhappy after paying for dual exhaust systems (with turbos, glasspacks, or Flowmasters) when they were too quiet. Only after going back and removing the original crossover pipe did the sound level increase to their expectations. sdlomi2 <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <blockquote cite="mid1128346722.442926.171300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">John Smith wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">i am looking at an antique truck. The original engine was replaced with a Chevy 350 crate engine. Otherwise it looks original. Problem is, when you start the engine it sounds like a hot rod -- throaty muscle car type of sound. I want a sedate old car sound. My question -- is this sound simply a funciton of the muffler? Could I tone it down by changing to a different muffler? Or is this engine sound due to the engine, and no muffler is going to change it? thanks </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> Depends on what you find objectionable about the sound. If it's simply the volume, then yes changing the mufflers will help. However you will have to seek the advice of a GOOD muffler guy as most aftermarket mufflers are aimed at the "performance" crowd who value low backpressure over quietness. Stay away from "turbo" mufflers, glasspacks, and Flowmasters or imitations thereof. They sound good, IMHO, but aren't what you seem to be looking for. Alternately, you could run a glasspack in series with the existing mufflers, if they're "turbo" style or similar. This will yield a deep, throaty sound without a whole lot of volume. Also adding a balance tube, crossover, H-pipe, whatever you want to call it, will mellow out the sound without any performance hit. If what you dislike is the lumpy idle due to a performance cam (which crate motor are we talking about, anyway?) there's really not much that can be done short of installing a milder camshaft, which IMHO isn't worth it. good luck, nate </pre> </blockquote> From the OP...this is an "antique truck". Can we assume there's little or no sound insulation material around the cab area? When you "start the engine it sounds like a hot rod". Does the sound diminish/go way after startup? Is the sound acceptable after startup? Are there headers or the stock exhaust manifolds? Do you care what it sounds like outside the cab (i.e., what others hear, but not you)?<br> </body> </html> From the OP...this is an "antique truck". Can we assume there's little or no sound insulation material around the cab area? When you "start the engine it sounds like a hot rod". Does the sound diminish/go way after startup? Is the sound acceptable after startup? Are there headers or the stock exhaust manifolds? Do you care what it sounds like outside the cab (i.e., what others hear, but not you)? The guy that renovated the truck did so with the intention of hot-rodding it. The hot rod sound is what you hear standing next to it. Unfortunately I dont know many of the details about the engine, muffler etc. But I am more interested in something that looks and sounds like a more or less faithful renovation of the original truck. And I guess I do care what it sounds like because I don't want to drive to the office with something that sounds flashy; I want it to appear to be a restored antique. Its a small item, but somehow it kind of turned me off to purchasing the truck, as did the modern dials that are for the new engine and the day glo steering wheel. Everything else looks 1938 -- the owner didnt get around to completing the conversion. So I am just trying to figure out which items I can "correct" if I buy it thanks >From the OP...this is an "antique truck". Can we assume there's little or >no sound insulation material around the cab area? When you "start the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > IMHO, unless you get more info about how it was hot rodded, you'll be buying a pig in a poke. As others have written, even if you reduce the engine noise you may end up inadvertently increasing the back pressure, or cause other counter-efficient engine issues. FWIW, a "crate engine" can mean just about anything from a factory stock replacement to 650 hp stroker...with an awful lot in between. I think you said it best when you wrote "but I am more interested in something that looks and sounds like a more or less faithful renovation of the original truck." The phrase "more or less faithful renovation" is key there. I'd be patient, pass on this one, and wait until you find the one you really have your heart set on. Besides, how can you trust a guy who put a day glo steering wheel in a classic truck :) >> From the OP...this is an "antique truck". Can we assume there's >> little or [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Besides, how can you trust a guy who put a day glo steering wheel in a > classic truck :) heck, if it's one of those semi-translucent metalflake plastic ones I'll buy the steering wheel from ya! nate (friends don't let friends drive stock) Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > I think you said it best when you wrote "but I am more interested in > something that looks and sounds like a more or less faithful renovation [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Besides, how can you trust a guy who put a day glo steering wheel in a > classic truck :) hmm, you have a point there > i am looking at an antique truck. The original engine was replaced with a > Chevy 350 crate engine. Otherwise it looks original. Problem is, when you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > thanks It depends. If the engine has pretty high compression and an aggressive cam, then quieter mufflers will HELP quiet it down, but it will still be a little thumpy, and probably won't run very well with the more restrictive mufflers. > It depends. If the engine has pretty high compression and an aggressive > cam, then quieter mufflers will HELP quiet it down, but it will still be > a little thumpy, and probably won't run very well with the more > restrictive mufflers. I think many of us like a somewhat throaty sound, but don't want a loud glasspack type of noise. Remember how the old MG-B's and similar European cars had a growl? It was not loud, but sounded far racier than in fact they were. Could this sound be duplicated with an American V6 or V8? > > It depends. If the engine has pretty high compression and an aggressive > > cam, then quieter mufflers will HELP quiet it down, but it will still be [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It was not loud, but sounded far racier than in fact they were. Could this > sound be duplicated with an American V6 or V8? Every engine has its own unique sound, there's no way to duplicate the exact sound you're thinking of on anything but an inline four or six. You could come close with a V-8 but it will always have a deeper "beat" to it due to the irregular firing impulses. And a V-6 will always sound like crap (just MHO) nate >>It depends. If the engine has pretty high compression and an aggressive >>cam, then quieter mufflers will HELP quiet it down, but it will still be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I think many of us like a somewhat throaty sound, but don't want a loud > glasspack type of noise. Count me in there. I love Dynomax mufflers, can't stand glasspacks or 2-chamber Flowbastards. > Remember how the old MG-B's and similar European cars had a growl? > It was not loud, but sounded far racier than in fact they were. Could this > sound be duplicated with an American V6 or V8? V6 maybe, inline-6 definitely (ever hear a slant-six with Dutra Duals?), but a v8 has an asymmetric left-right firing pattern (l-r-l-l-r-l-r-r) that gives it the characteristic v8 "burble" no matter what you do short of using headers that criss-cross a couple of pipes from right bank to left exhaust pipe and vice-versa (aka "180-degree headers"). Personally, I prefer the burble if its subdued. Inline-4, Inline-6, V6 and V12 engines tend to sound flat and "farty" to me unless they're muffled heavily. The most godawful sound on the road are these rice-rockets with coffee-can exhausts. > i am looking at an antique truck. The original engine was replaced with a > Chevy 350 crate engine. Otherwise it looks original. Problem is, when you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > thanks The selection of a muffler will make a big difference. This assumes that you have ruled out a hole in the exhaust or a bad exhaust gasket as the source of the existing sound first. SignaturePaul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. -- George Carlin > > i am looking at an antique truck. The original engine was replaced with a > > Chevy 350 crate engine. Otherwise it looks original. Problem is, when you [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > you have ruled out a hole in the exhaust or a bad exhaust gasket as the > source of the existing sound first. no this is the sound it is intended to have. The engine and muffler system is entirely new. thanks "John Smith" <johnsmith@nowhere.com.com> writes in article <44ydnVHSvJ80PN3eRVn-iw@comcast.com> dated Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:12:41 -0400: >i am looking at an antique truck. The original engine was replaced with a >Chevy 350 crate engine. Otherwise it looks original. Problem is, when you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >muffler? Or is this engine sound due to the engine, and no muffler is going >to change it? Lots of people have made suggestions about the exhaust system. Most of the noise comes from there, but some noise comes from the intake, through the carb and air cleaner. If the air cleaner is one of the open style (where you can see paper through all 360 degrees) you will get a lot more intake noise than the stock air cleaners where all the air comes in from a single tube which points forward. -- spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer. > "John Smith" <johnsmith@nowhere.com.com> writes in article <44ydnVHSvJ80PN3eRVn-iw@comcast.com> dated Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:12:41 -0400: > >i am looking at an antique truck. The original engine was replaced with a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer. a.k.a. the "giant sucking sound" which is a beautiful thing! nate |
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