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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / October 2005

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Help Emission Export Needed - High HC after new O2 Sensor

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mtenhol@yahoo.com - 21 Oct 2005 03:27 GMT
My car is driving me out of my mind with the emission test. I need some
input for someone who knows a lot more than I do. Here are the details.

The car is a 95 Cavalier with a 2.2 TBI engine. It has failed 3
emission tests with high HC.

Test 1.

HC 1.9 Grams/Mile (.8 Grams/mile allowed)
Both CO and NOx passed but not by much.

My wife drove the car from a cold start for about 15 min. in slow city
traffic before the test. I figured that the engine has not fully warmed
so I drove it on the highway before next test.

Test 2 (almost passed).
HC 0.95 Grams/mile (.8 Gram/mile allowed)
CO approx. 1/2 of allowed
NOx was much lower than allowed.

Drove car for 25 min. at highway speed before test. Both test 1 and
test 2 showed spikes in the HC and CO at approximately the same points
of the test. I figured the O2 sensor may be getting weak so I replaced
the sensor.

Test 3.

This one nearly made me sick.
HC 2.5 Grams/mile !!!
CO 9.78 Grams/mile (15 allowed)
NOx 1.0 Grams/mile (2 allowed)

I drove the car to around town for an hour or so the day before the
test to let things adjust to the new sensor then drove 40 min at
highway speed right before the test.

Any ideas why replacing the O2 sensor may have taken me from almost
passing to being 3 times to high on HC? I have an appointment to take
the car in to the shop for a diagnostic test on Saturday but would like
some feedback so that I can be sure what the shop tells me is accurate.
mtenhol@yahoo.com - 21 Oct 2005 11:21 GMT
More info:

I forgot to mention, this car has 95K miles and has had oil changed on
a regular basis since new. Wires, plugs and catalytic converter were
all replaced approx. 10K miles ago. Trace from test shows HC high
mostly during the first 3/4 of the test while at 0-30 MPH. During last
part of test when driving at higher speed HC dropped below allowed
levels. This drop occured at the same point on all 3 tests.

> My car is driving me out of my mind with the emission test. I need some
> input for someone who knows a lot more than I do. Here are the details.
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> the car in to the shop for a diagnostic test on Saturday but would like
> some feedback so that I can be sure what the shop tells me is accurate.
aarcuda69062 - 21 Oct 2005 14:07 GMT
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> More info:
>
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> > the car in to the shop for a diagnostic test on Saturday but would like
> > some feedback so that I can be sure what the shop tells me is accurate.

First, determine whether the system has proper fuel control by
analyzing the fuel trims.
Second, check for miss-fires.
Third, check catalytic convertor efficiency.

If the replacement catalytic convertor is an aftermarket unit, it
may have and probably already has lost significant efficiency.
Most aftermarket cat-cons are much less efficient new out of the
box than OEM units, that's why they are priced much cheaper.
NickySantoro - 21 Oct 2005 18:57 GMT
>More info:
>
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>> the car in to the shop for a diagnostic test on Saturday but would like
>> some feedback so that I can be sure what the shop tells me is accurate.

I had that problem on an '86 Econoline. I wanted to change the
thermostat when I did the coolant. The parts place only had a 180
degree, not the 195 specified. Next year it failed emissions.
Apparently the computer was looking for 195 and kept the mixture too
rich. After putting in a 195 it passed the retest fine.
FWIW
YMMV
=AB Paul =BB - 22 Oct 2005 04:23 GMT
> My car is driving me out of my mind with the emission test. I need some
> input for someone who knows a lot more than I do. Here are the details.
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> the car in to the shop for a diagnostic test on Saturday but would like
> some feedback so that I can be sure what the shop tells me is accurate.

1. Vac leak - tells the O2 sensor to dump in more fuel to compensate.
2. EGR not opening.
3. Bad cat.
 
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