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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / November 2005Car vs. Deer - Car 1, Deer 1
Hey guys... Got a question inspired by recent events - As in yesterday morning recent. I'm heading for the home stretch of my newspaper route, tooling along at about 40-ish through a series of gentle S-turns posted for the double-nickel, when I round a left-hand bend, and catch sight of a deer up on the embankment on the left. (Probably 10-15 feet above the road) At the same instant I spot her, she takes a literal flying leap, and touches down a couple of feet on my side of the center line - *MAYBE* 5 feet in front of my bumper. Needless to say, neither braking nor dodging was an option, and I took her out - hard. Caught her perfectly broadside, almost dead-center of the car, flipped her a.s over teakettle and up over the roof, then lost sight of her as I started braking and looking for a place to pull off and inspect the damage. After finding out that I'd lost the whole driver's side light cluster (headlight, marker, and turn signal) and the entire grille, along with picking up some mashed in bodywork that had the hood jammed shut in exchange, but no other damage visible, went looking to find out if I needed to finish her off, or if the hit had been enough to kill her outright. Found the carcass down the embankment, *VERY* definitely dead upon closer inspection, so went back to the car and assessed my options. After looking things over again, decided that the damage was more cosmetic than functional, and drove off, keeping a close eye on the gauges. (worried mainly about a punched radiator - Looks like that worry was needless - So far, anyway) So today, I've been busy pulling the front clip, beating the mashed in sections back out, replacing lights, etc. (This is a $300-ish beater-mobile, so it isn't worth doing anything more with it) What I'm wondering now is "is there anything else I should be worried about?" - As far as I can tell, the damage didn't "penetrate" far enough to do more than squash half a dozen or so fins on the AC condenser, but I'm wondering if a jolt like that (pretty substantial - From wrestling her out of the brush she landed in so that I could get a good look at her, I'd estimate she was somewhere in the 90-120 pound range) could have messed up anything else that I should be taking a look at. Anybody? (No, I didn't take her home - All four legs broken in multiple places, skull crushed, chest completely caved in, pelvis destroyed, insides leaking out through the mangled pelvis - Basically, nothing left worth even trying to salvage as venison - never mind that doing so would count as poaching around here, and let's not even consider the bloody mess it would have made of the inside of the car.)  SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info >Hey guys... Got a question inspired by recent events - As in yesterday >morning recent. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >as poaching around here, and let's not even consider the bloody mess it >would have made of the inside of the car.) Firstly, my condolences for the Dear deer. I've had to finish other people's handiwork when they just hit and ran. It wasn't pleasant, and will remain in my mind for eternity. Nextly, you're lucky the deer went OVER the car. On a friends VW, it went through the windshield, brain damaging the female passenger forever. As to the vehicle, hell if it is a $300 beater, just DRIVE it. Make it legal by putting some lights on it somewhere and drive it. Nobody cares about the *looks* of a beater, even the owner. If it runs OK, it runs OK. BTDT. Lg > Firstly, my condolences for the Dear deer. Good riddance!! Signatureremove MYSHOES to email >> Firstly, my condolences for the Dear deer. > >Good riddance!! I think they are beautiful creatures. People wouldn't have so much trouble with them if they would just SLOW DOWN AND PAY ATTENTION at dusk and dawn, when they are most likely to be crossing roadways. It is the driver's fault for going too fast for conditions...conditions being DEER CROSSING, posted or otherwise. Lg > >> Firstly, my condolences for the Dear deer. > > > >Good riddance!! > > I think they are beautiful creatures. and tasty too! nate (unashamed carnivore) >> >> Firstly, my condolences for the Dear deer. >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >(unashamed carnivore) The only venison I ever ate was *gamy* in flavor. Awful stuff. Maybe if you get one that is corn fed and young. > >> >> Firstly, my condolences for the Dear deer. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The only venison I ever ate was *gamy* in flavor. Awful stuff. Maybe > if you get one that is corn fed and young. A little marinating in red wine will take care of that. Ends up like a kind of stringier, dryer (because it's less fatty) version of beef. nate >> The only venison I ever ate was *gamy* in flavor. Awful stuff. Maybe >> if you get one that is corn fed and young. > >A little marinating in red wine will take care of that. Ends up like a >kind of stringier, dryer (because it's less fatty) version of beef. The gaminess actually can be a good thing if you're careful. It works well in chili, and it can work amazingly well with sweet sauces like cranberry or orange sauce. You just don't want it to be overpowering. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > >> Firstly, my condolences for the Dear deer. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Lg Deer do far more damage to crops and residential plantings than to cars. Here in PA it's got so bad that there are no limits to the sex or number of deer that can be "harvested" during the regular hunting season. Many deer are simply popped in the backyard regardless of hunting season. >> >On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:55:35 -0600 Lawrence_Glickman >> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >deer that can be "harvested" during the regular hunting season. >Many deer are simply popped in the backyard regardless of hunting season. I lived in Rochester NY for many years. Not too far from PA. We have an overabundance of deer here also in the forest preserves where hunting is not allowed. Every now and then they have to be culled by Dept of Natural Resources. Evidently hunters can't be trusted to do this work as this is a highly populated area, human wise. A mistake could cost a human life. About 3 a.m. one morning I came across a herd of deer crossing a road in a forest preserve. My best guess is there were 50 on one side of the road and another 50 on the other side. It looked like a cattle drive. But it is my understanding that more deer a killed in PA every year by cars than hunters. Lg > But it is my understanding that more deer a killed in PA every year by > cars than hunters. > > Lg Your understanding of many subjects is incomplete. The reported kill by hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. Reported kills by car is not accurately tabulated but is estimated at around 15,000. Some accidents with deer do not result in the deer's death. I have stuck a number of deer in my 45 years of driving and do not know if any of them died. >> But it is my understanding that more deer a killed in PA every year by >> cars than hunters. >> >> Lg > >Your understanding of many subjects is incomplete. Your understanding of all subjects is incomplete. Which is worse? > The reported kill by >hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. >Reported kills by car is not accurately tabulated but is estimated at >around 15,000. That doesn't *jibe* with the information I've seen from the PA DOT. > Some accidents with deer do not result in the deer's death. Probably most do. With broken legs and/or internal injuries, death may come slowly and painfully. >I have stuck a number of deer in my 45 years of driving and do not know if >any of them died. Well then you're a f.cking pig. For not following up on the animal's condition. It's people like you I have to clean up after. Next time, hit a bridge abutment. Lg > > The reported kill by > >hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That doesn't *jibe* with the information I've seen from the PA DOT. Do tell. Post it up so we know you aren't lying. >> > The reported kill by >> >hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >Do tell. Post it up so we know you aren't lying. Why should I have to prove anything to an admitted PIG hit & run driver? >>> > The reported kill by >>> >hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Why should I have to prove anything to an admitted PIG hit & run > driver? Take your meds Larry, the MORON side of your personality is taking over again. Bob >Why should I have to prove anything to an admitted PIG hit & run >driver? No, it was a deer. I've hit pigs, though, and it's just as bad. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > >> > The reported kill by > >> >hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Why should I have to prove anything to an admitted PIG hit & run > driver? You just lost the argument, Larry. SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info >> >> > The reported kill by >> >> >hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >You just lost the argument, Larry. IOW you do the same thing. Why am I not surprised. >> > The reported kill by >> >hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >Do tell. Post it up so we know you aren't lying. There are about 1.5 million deer/vehicle collisions annually, resulting in 29,000 human injuries and more than $1 billion in insurance claims in addition to the death toll http://reason.com/rb/rb112101.shtml Do the math. >> > The reported kill by >> >hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >Do tell. Post it up so we know you aren't lying. About 50,000 of them go to that big salt lick in the sky from road accidents annually in our state. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/s_183583.html 15,ooo asswipe? NO 50,ooo If you can't even get THAT right, and you live there, there is no need for further discussion. You're off by a factor of 3.x Lg >>>>The reported kill by >>>>hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Lg You said that more deer were killed by cars than by hunters. Then you showed that 50,000 were killed by all vehicles. Therefore no more than 50,000 were killed by hunters. http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=490&q=153380 states: > Last year, 504,600 deer were harvested, including more than 203,000 bucks. Therefore you are off by a factor of 10. Now everybody is curious regarding the limits of your ignorance. >>>>>The reported kill by >>>>>hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Therefore you are off by a factor of 10. Now everybody is curious > regarding the limits of your ignorance. Curious? Not at all, Larry's already shown us that his ignorance has no limits. >>>>>The reported kill by >>>>>hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Therefore you are off by a factor of 10. Now everybody is curious >regarding the limits of your ignorance. I GOT THAT OUT OF A BOOK THAT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE YOU WERE BORN. You can go back to sleep now zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > >>>>>The reported kill by > >>>>>hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > You can go back to sleep now > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Congratulations are in order, Larry - From what I've observed, it's difficult, if not impossible, to lose the same argument twice, but you've just pulled it off. Quite an accomplishment. So, in the spirit of the beer comercials, here's to you, Mr. Cite-long-outdated-material-in-hopes-of-sounding-intelligent! Say g'night, Larry... SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info >> >>>>>The reported kill by >> >>>>>hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Say g'night, Larry... f.ck You Don > >> >>>>>The reported kill by > >> >>>>>hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > f.ck You Don No thanks, Larry. Not even if you were to borrow your mama's dick. SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info >> >> >>>>>The reported kill by >> >> >>>>>hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > >No thanks, Larry. Not even if you were to borrow your mama's dick. What I mean is Drop Dead > >> >> >>>>>The reported kill by > >> >> >>>>>hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > What I mean is Drop Dead Probably one of these days, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it if I were you. SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info >>>>>>The reported kill by >>>>>>hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > I GOT THAT OUT OF A BOOK THAT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE YOU WERE BORN. Could you provide the name of the book? Thanks. And thanks for typing in all caps. My eyesight is not so good. > You can go back to sleep now > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >>>>The reported kill by >>>>hunters in PA is over 500,000/year. Many more are unreported. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > accidents annually in our state. > http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/s_183583.html The article you cite has contradictory numbers. > But in the past 10 years, the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation reports that collisions between deer and vehicles have increased 22 percent locally. That's a fender-crunching 2,532 accidents in 2001. So if C is the number of collisions in 1994, then the article seems to state that C * 0.22 = 2,532 which implies that C = 11,509 We might conclude that there were 11,509 + 2,532 or about 14,000 deer-vehicle collisions in PA for 2003. The article also states: > The poor deer aren't fairing too well, either: About 50,000 of them go to that big salt lick in the sky from road accidents annually in our state. I hope you haven't been overwhelmed by the algebra or by the reasoning. > 15,ooo asswipe? > NO [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Lg > Well then you're a f.cking pig. For not following up on the animal's > condition. It's people like you I have to clean up after. Sure, and leave my car in the road for another car to hit. Who cleans that up? >> Well then you're a f.cking pig. For not following up on the animal's >> condition. It's people like you I have to clean up after. > >Sure, and leave my car in the road for another car to hit. Who cleans that >up? You can pull off to the side into the breakdown lane or the shoulder and put on your emergency flashers. Don't be coy. There is no excuse except that you're gutless and unthinking/uncaring. >>> But it is my understanding that more deer a killed in PA every year by >>> cars than hunters. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Well then you're a f.cking pig. For not following up on the animal's > condition. It's people like you I have to clean up after. WTF are you talking about Larry? > Next time, hit a bridge abutment. > > Lg > Well then you're a f.cking pig. For not following up on the animal's > condition. It's people like you I have to clean up after. What exactly would you expect him/her to do about it? The closest thing to a weapon most people have in their car is a tire iron. So are you suggesting that a person should go chase an angry hurt animal with a little tire iron? We don't have deer here but I have hit a few raccoons and opossums in my time. It is a sickening feeling but I am not going to risk my safety to go hunt them down to finish the job with a 20oz coke bottle. Steve B. >> Well then you're a f.cking pig. For not following up on the animal's >> condition. It's people like you I have to clean up after. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Steve B. I guess it is just one of many unpleasantries about life I'm going to have to live with. I'm affiliated with a Humane Society ( if you haven't guessed ) and they have to exterminate perfectly beautiful and healthy animals all the time because people don't want them. And if they don't want them, we don't want them to have them because they will not properly care for the animal. In this instance, I've come across so many wounded deer I've had to finish off myself, that I'm outraged. Maybe it is unrealistic to expect granny to run through the night chasing a wounded animal, but for some reason I get the dirty job when I find it alive and in agony in the morning. There are too damn many deer in this country anyhow. Whomever is in charge of Wildlife Management, that's the guy I have the real beef with ( no pun intended ). We've decimated the deer's natural predators, and now they are everywhere, and have become a road hazard as well as a nuisance. Whose fault is that. Can I send every car-wounded animal I have to *finish off* to your personal address? This season is going to be like all the rest. October, November, December, is when you need to be on the lookout. Lg <<snip>> > Every now and then they have to be culled by Dept of Natural > Resources. Evidently hunters can't be trusted to do this work as this > is a highly populated area, human wise. A mistake could cost a human > life. Hunters with muzzle loaders, crossbows or buckshot firing riot guns, are pretty safe. THe "deer hit men" are employed because of antihunting hysteria. Not safety. > About 3 a.m. one morning I came across a herd of deer crossing a road > in a forest preserve. My best guess is there were 50 on one side of > the road and another 50 on the other side. It looked like a cattle > drive. Poach the cocksuckers. > >> Firstly, my condolences for the Dear deer. > > > >Good riddance!! > > I think they are beautiful creatures. I consider them nothing more than a large squirrel. Signatureremove MYSHOES to email > > >> Firstly, my condolences for the Dear deer. > > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I consider them nothing more than a large squirrel. Deer are much tastier. I prefer them ground as deerburger with fatty hamburger. >> > >> Firstly, my condolences for the Dear deer. >> > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Deer are much tastier. I prefer them ground as deerburger with fatty >hamburger. FYI, when you bring your deer to the butcher, it isn't YOUR deer meat you're getting back! It is a mix of everyone's meat. Now somebody is going to ask for a *citation.* Well, call Como's Meat Market on Torrence Avenue in Lansing, Illinois. The only way you can be certain you're getting =your= venison back is to do the butchering yourself. FYI BTW, with CWD going around, I won't eat venison, and The State isn't using roadkill anymore for food donations. FYI. Citations? Fugetaboutit. Too busy here. Have a Safe one. Some lady blew a stop sign in front of me today and I almost T-boned her on the driver's side. TG for ABS. Lg <<snip>> > BTW, with CWD going around, I won't eat venison, and The State isn't > using roadkill anymore for food donations. FYI. The problem is that deer are evolutionarily unadapted to coexistence with motor vehicles and there are no more predators keeping them in check. If you are afraid to eat them at least pelt them out and tan the hide-it makes a fine covering for many things. But out East the population density is so bad I would have no problem with just gun-and-run at least in places. A carbine, or a breakopen shotgun with a subcaliber tube or a heavy game rifle with a subcaliber adapter, firing a subsonic pistol cartridge will kill deer humanely with no "gunshot noise" to provoke cop calls in most places. > <<snip>> > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > firing a subsonic pistol cartridge will kill deer humanely with no > "gunshot noise" to provoke cop calls in most places. Wow, around here we just use a .22 and shoot them right behind the ear. > FYI > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Lg Neither would I, right now. Authorities in some areas have recommended that all harvested animals be tested for CWD before human consumption. Cost is about $75 per head. People here in Dogpatch never heard of CWD and don't give a damn. Onset of symptoms here would not likely be noticed anyway. >> FYI >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >People here in Dogpatch never heard of CWD and don't give a damn. Onset of >symptoms here would not likely be noticed anyway. Look at this: http://www.maddeer.org/ on my way to store to look at deep cycle batteries ( yes it is a good way to unload my old and dead marine battery that weighs in at about 60 or 70 pounds ! Lg "Lawrence_Glickman" <Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net> wrote in message > I think they are beautiful creatures. People wouldn't have so much > trouble with them if they would just SLOW DOWN AND PAY ATTENTION at > dusk and dawn, when they are most likely to be crossing roadways. > > It is the driver's fault for going too fast for > conditions...conditions being DEER CROSSING, posted or otherwise. They are beautiful creatures, but you are unrealistic when you suggest people slow down and pay attention. That just doesnt seem to work. The first one I even hit was well after dark on the interstate where traffic was moving at 65 mph. Slow down there and you have bigger problems than a deer. This one came out of nowhere and there was no way to avoid it. I hit the second on a country road, after dark, at about 35-40 mph. Again, she came out of nowhere, and there was no way I could have avoided her. Even so, she did a lot of body damage to my Buick. Neither incident had animal crossing signs. I agree that people should drive within the posted speed limits, observe warnings, and be alert, but IMO, nothing I could have done in either case would have made the outcome any different. > double-nickel > flying leap > I took her out > a.s over teakettle > What I'm wondering now is "is there anything else I should be worried > about?" Yes. See a doctor right away. The incident seems to have left you with a severe case of Clich. > > double-nickel > > flying leap [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Yes. See a doctor right away. The incident seems to have left you with a > severe case of Clich? Damn, daniel, I needed that! Thanks!!! <LOL> (I wonder which newsreader is mis-handling the accented character? Yours, or mine? Or maybe the 'net is mangling it in transit?) SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info > Hey guys... Got a question inspired by recent events - As in yesterday > morning recent. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > double-nickel, when I round a left-hand bend, and catch sight of a deer > up on the embankment on the left. (Probably 10-15 feet above the road) You need to get a deer whistle, often called deer repeller or deer sonic avoidance. They make passive ones that work with airflow (kind of work) that are cheap, and active ones that plug into the vehicle electrical system and cost about $60 or so. They mount on the front bumper. Ted "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> writes in article <newscache$pesbpi$tgy$1@news.ipinc.net> dated Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:40:00 -0800: >> Hey guys... Got a question inspired by recent events - As in yesterday >> morning recent. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >vehicle electrical system and cost about $60 or so. They mount on >the front bumper. I hear they work great for all those blind deer who can't see cars coming. (I had a buck race me once -- he saw me coming and then decided he had to cross the road before I got there.) To the OP -- you might have broken your AC condenser. It's a good time of year to do that, assuming you're in the northern hemisphere. -- spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer. > "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> writes in article > <newscache$pesbpi$tgy$1@news.ipinc.net> dated Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:40:00 -0800: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >vehicle electrical system and cost about $60 or so. They mount on > >the front bumper. Unfortunately, despite the fact that I've got some hearing loss, (never mind that us two-leggers aren't supposed to be able to hear them) I *DO* hear them - as a non-stop "screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" right at the edge of hearing that gives me a case of the willies the same way as the screech of fingernails on a chalkboard. > I hear they work great for all those blind deer who can't see cars coming. > (I had a buck race me once -- he saw me coming and then decided he had to > cross the road before I got there.) Had a doe do that a few years ago - She apparently mis-judged, and wound up body-checking the pasenger-side mirror clean off the car when she hit. (That one bounced across the ditch under her own power, and was last seen heading toward a stand of trees on the other side of the field at high speed) > To the OP -- you might have broken your AC condenser. It's a good time of > year to do that, assuming you're in the northern hemisphere. Well, since the AC didn't work anyway (needs a conversion/recharge and a new belt, at the very least), busting the condenser would be one of those "Oh well, don't that just suck?" things. But it doesn't look as though the hit did anything more than mash a handful of the fins out of their nice little pattern - The actual plumbing attached to the fins appears to be undamaged. SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info > You need to get a deer whistle, often called deer repeller or deer > sonic avoidance. They make passive ones that work with airflow > (kind of work) that are cheap, and active ones that plug into the > vehicle electrical system and cost about $60 or so. They mount on > the front bumper. There is a special rock that you can buy as well. They're quite rare, but they work. You put it anywhere in your car, most people put it in the trunk. The natural frequency of this rock repels deer, only they can sense it. I have one here I could sell you, $300 + shipping, I accept Paypal. I'll even give you a money back guarantee: if you hit a deer while this rock is installed, I'll give you your money back. http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/CEPublications/eb1677/eb1677.html http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/deerwsle.html http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99110.htm http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/martin/newsletters/newsarticles/twigs/deerwhistles.h tml http://www.usroads.com/journals/rmj/9705/rm970503.htm Steve >>You need to get a deer whistle, often called deer repeller or deer >>sonic avoidance. They make passive ones that work with airflow [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > give you a money back guarantee: if you hit a deer while this rock is > installed, I'll give you your money back. If you give his money back, does he still get to keep the rock? > http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/CEPublications/eb1677/eb1677.html > http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/deerwsle.html [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Steve > You need to get a deer whistle, often called deer repeller BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. Signatureremove MYSHOES to email <snip> > So today, I've been busy pulling the front clip, beating the mashed in > sections back out, replacing lights, etc. (This is a $300-ish [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Anybody? Once it's "driveable" again, take it to a frame/alignment shop to make sure you didn't tweak the structure in some undetectable way that will cause your car to wear tires funny. (not Sears or a tire chain, a real frame shop) good luck nate I have had that happen a couple of times.. Once in a Blazer, and it did several hundred dollars worth of body damage, but nothing serious. Second was in a Buick, and she nearly took the front end off. Still, no alignment, A/C, or windshield problems. Female deer get a little crazy this time of year here in Texas. When it gets cool, the moon is full, and they are in full rut, they are very nervous and unpredictable. With recent studies that show that CWD is increasing in both wild and farmed animals, and is moving eastward at unexpected speed, I have decided not to eat anymore venison until the whole issue is a lot clearer. > I'm heading for the home stretch of my newspaper route, tooling along at > about 40-ish through a series of gentle S-turns posted for the > double-nickel, when I round a left-hand bend, and catch sight of a deer > up on the embankment on the left. (Probably 10-15 feet above the road) Glad to hear you're okay and that the car is in okay shape. I'm also glad to hear you took out yet another deer. Tall rodents, they are. Just be glad you werent on a motorcycle, as some people that I know that have hit deer, and myself, as I've had deer cross my path. 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