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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / November 2005

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Could Fixing PCV Also Fix Fuel Pressure?

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chudwuh@hotmail.com - 09 Nov 2005 22:01 GMT
My street rod has a 74 Chev truck 350 - stock except for Mallory
ignition and Holley 4-barrel. When I got the car, the PCV valve and
hose was intact but the breather hole in the opposite valve cover had
been plugged - no clue why. I fixed this by installing a nipple in the
valve cover and running a hose to another nipple that opens inside the
filter element of the carb air cleaner (aftermarket round "sandwich"
type). I installed a new element, PCV valve and hose and re-gapped the
spark plugs to spec (.035) - no other changes to fuel or ignition
systems.

The engine does run better but here's the question. The fuel line has a
mechanical pressure gauge just before it goes into the carb.
Previously, the gauge fluctuated so much that it was unreadable - would
seem to indicate a faulty pump (stock Chev mechanical type), fuel
filter, and/or gauge. But now it reads a steady 5 1/2 lbs. I don't
understand how fixing the PCV would fix the pressure - could it? If so,
how?
Mike Romain - 09 Nov 2005 23:05 GMT
That's interesting.....

I can't see how the addition of a second PCV intake could affect the
pressure.

The pump is a mechanical diaphragm type open to the crankcase so if
there was extreme vacuum on the crankcase maybe it could make it
flutter.  

Ok, are you saying there was no intake for the PCV system, just the
suction valve?

If so, well the physical connection is there so maybe the vacuum at idle
caused the pump diaphragm to flutter.  Strange though....  I think I
would put a spare pump in my tool box....

Mike
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> My street rod has a 74 Chev truck 350 - stock except for Mallory
> ignition and Holley 4-barrel. When I got the car, the PCV valve and
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> understand how fixing the PCV would fix the pressure - could it? If so,
> how?
Kruse - 09 Nov 2005 23:56 GMT
> That's interesting.....
> I can't see how the addition of a second PCV intake could affect the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> flutter.
> Mike

You MAY have hit the nail on the head with that answer.....
About 25 years ago, I knew a guy who had an almost identical vehicle.
He had the PCV valve hooked up, but where there should have been a
breather in the valve cover, he had removed it and stuck a spark plug
in the hole to keep the dirt out. Anyway, he had me look at it because
there was a noticeable howl or whine coming from deep in the engine.
While the engine was running, I pulled the spark plug out and heard a
big "whoosh". The howl had stopped after that also. Turns out there was
a vacuum in the crankcase from the closed breather and the howl was the
front and rear main seals trying to be pulled in from the extreme
vacuum.
It actually took longer to describe the fix to the customer than the
fix itself.
chudwuh@hotmail.com - 10 Nov 2005 03:13 GMT
Yeah, there was no intake - only suction (still can't figure out why
somebody plugged it!)  It now intakes filtered air through the carb air
cleaner - similar to OEM setup.  It had some leaks from the valve cover
gaskets and main seals which I figured were caused by the plugged PCV -
never heard a howl/whine but the low restriction air cleaner and
exhaust are pretty loud.  Since fixing the PCV, I haven't run it enough
to determine whether the leaks have stopped - hopefully the seals
aren't trashed!

Anyway, it never occurred to me that the fuel pump could be affected -
guess that vacuum has to get relieved somewhere.
lugnut - 10 Nov 2005 04:09 GMT
>My street rod has a 74 Chev truck 350 - stock except for Mallory
>ignition and Holley 4-barrel. When I got the car, the PCV valve and
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>understand how fixing the PCV would fix the pressure - could it? If so,
>how?

The fuel pressure problem when the pcv was not working
properly was likely a result of too much vacuum in the
crankcase.  The diaphram of the stock fuel pump is exposed
to this vacuum in addition to the return spring pressure
which cause it to return pressure against the pump intake
check valve causing the momentary drop in pressure as the
pump pushrod reciprocated and, thus, your indicated
fluctuation.  With the crankcase now properly vented, the
pump diaphram can maintain more constant pressure.

Lugnut
 
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