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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / November 2005

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GMC vortec OBD1 probs

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zoomie - 10 Nov 2005 04:40 GMT
4.3l vortec.. getting a little harder to start.. but runs great in open loop
mode on startup..
after a few minutes idles like sh.t but wont stall and i can hear the motor
backfire if i get on the gas lightly..
if i hold the throttle WFO the truck downshifts and accelerates like hell..
sometimes at mid throttle in this condition.. the van bucks and surges,
backfires and gets going, then hesitates, surges agian...

the only code i get sometimes is too rich...  i can force the code by
putting the van in cruise control at around 40mph before the van starts to
act up.

when the engine light comes on, the van (seems to) operates normally.. but
must be in an open loop mode.. right?

this truck passed emissions about 6 months ago..

any ideas.. thanks
Shep - 10 Nov 2005 13:37 GMT
Check the fuel pressure and start from there, if this is a CPFI engine the
regulator could be leaking, located inside the upper plenum.
> 4.3l vortec.. getting a little harder to start.. but runs great in open
> loop
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>
> any ideas.. thanks
Comboverfish - 10 Nov 2005 14:06 GMT
> if i hold the throttle WFO...

Wholly Full Open?  Wide Fu**ing Open?

> when the engine light comes on, the van (seems to) operates normally.. but
> must be in an open loop mode.. right?

That's often an indication that a major input sensor is bad -- MAP,
TPS, CTS, etc...  If this observation holds true in every instance,
then I would check sensor input readings on a scan tool first to
quickly rule that possibility out.

Otherwise, you could be experiencing overfueling due to a stuck open
injector poppet (there's one for each cylinder) as the code 45 would
indicate, or as Shep suggested, a flaky regulator.

If the regulator or any of the plastic spider lines were to leak under
the manifold, or if a/several poppet(s) were sticking closed (common
problems) the truck could run like crap but I can't see why you would
get a rich code without another unrelated problem.  Of course it is
early in the morning and my thought processes have yet to receive a
needed kickstart.....

Toyota MDT in MO
William R. Watt - 10 Nov 2005 14:33 GMT
> 4.3l vortec.. getting a little harder to start.. but runs great in open loop
> mode on startup..
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> sometimes at mid throttle in this condition.. the van bucks and surges,
> backfires and gets going, then hesitates, surges agian...

I've had to replace the ignition control module on my car twice. It caused
fast idle, bucking, and random stalling. They can be removed from inside
the distributor and taken to some parts stores where they will test for
free so it's a pretty easy one to eliminate. Mine had a 5 year 50k km
replacement warranty. If replacing I'd recommend bedding in a bit of
thermal dielectic grease from an electronics store, the stuff they bed
computer CPU's in. One packet costs $1 here. I think dry bedding by a
mechanic caused my first replacement to burn out.

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