Hi, I finally was able to make my own jumper wires and successfully test my
blower motor and fan motor; however, I have some questions now:
1) When I went to jumper my blower motor to my battery, I only needed one
wire from the positive prong of the motor to the battery, even though there
is a negative wire coming from the wire cluster to the motor, which attaches
to a bolted on prong on the blower motor body. Why do they have both a
positive and negative wire for the blower motor if you only need the
positive to run the motor?
2) I need a way to securely attached a jumper wire to a female electrical
connector, where the terminals are recessed, and there may be a lot of free
space around them (so any test lead will not stay put while you move your
body elsewhere).
Right now, I use alligator clips to connect to regular prongs/plugs (like on
my blower motor) and paper clips to connect the terminals of a male
electrical connectors (you just plug in the paper clip next to the terminal,
and it stays put).
3) If I am using 20-gauge test lead wire right now from Radio Shack as
jumper wire, will this gauge be thick enough to safely test motors like fan
motors? I have a spool of 14-gauge thin stranded wire from Lowe's, but this
is not that flexible. Radio Shack recommends 10-gauge wire for automotive
uses though.
4) Is an inline fuse really necessary for jumper wires? You can get them at
Radio Shack, but they are expensive.
Thanks for any help!
Julie
Dave Baker - 13 Nov 2005 03:07 GMT
> Hi, I finally was able to make my own jumper wires and successfully test my
> blower motor and fan motor; however, I have some questions now:
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> positive and negative wire for the blower motor if you only need the
> positive to run the motor?
Because anything electrical will already be earthed back to the battery via
a connection to the chassis or else it wouldn't run in normal operation. If
you connect a direct positive feed and the device runs it tells you that
both the device and the earth side is ok. If the device still doesn't run it
could either be broken or the earth side is not making contact. In that case
you need to add a negative feed to check the device fully.
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Julie P. - 13 Nov 2005 03:14 GMT
>> Hi, I finally was able to make my own jumper wires and successfully test
> my
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> Dave Baker
Thanks Dave! Ok, this makes sense, as the blower motor is mounted in a metal
duct whihc is connected to the firewall. And it did test ok (it was brand
new--it better have :) ).
But when I tired the same test with just one positive wire for my radiator
fan, it did not work, not until I also connected the negative wire. Maybe
because the fan motor is encased in a plastic support frame?
Julie
William R. Watt - 13 Nov 2005 04:05 GMT
> 2) I need a way to securely attached a jumper wire to a female electrical
> connector, where the terminals are recessed, and there may be a lot of free
> space around them (so any test lead will not stay put while you move your
> body elsewhere).
You can probably clip the aligator to a nail and stick that in the socket. I
use a piece of thick heavy bared copper wire.
As for the radiator fan motor not comming on when you probe it, that might
be due to the location of the thermal switch which only completes the
circuit when the rad heats up. I don't know enough about them to say for
sure.
> Right now, I use alligator clips to connect to regular prongs/plugs (like on
> my blower motor) and paper clips to connect the terminals of a male
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>
> Julie
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Julie P. - 13 Nov 2005 04:22 GMT
>> 2) I need a way to securely attached a jumper wire to a female electrical
>> connector, where the terminals are recessed, and there may be a lot of
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> I
> use a piece of thick heavy bared copper wire.
Thanks William. What I meant was is there a way to get a secure connection,
so I can free up my hands and body to do something else if need be? Right
now, I use a paper clip, which works, but it won't stay in place if need be.
> As for the radiator fan motor not comming on when you probe it, that might
> be due to the location of the thermal switch which only completes the
> circuit when the rad heats up. I don't know enough about them to say for
> sure.
Oh, the fan comes on ok, when both positive and negative are jumpered. I am
just trying to find a way to test my coolant temperature sensor now. My
manual has some instructions, so I will have to check there. :)
Julie
John G - 13 Nov 2005 04:15 GMT
> Hi, I finally was able to make my own jumper wires and successfully
> test my blower motor and fan motor; however, I have some questions
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> Why do they have both a positive and negative wire for the blower
> motor if you only need the positive to run the motor?
Many auto items even lamps have both a positive drive wire and a (Often
black) ground wire thei ensures the ground stays good even in old age
when the mounting frame connection has rusted.
> 3) If I am using 20-gauge test lead wire right now from Radio Shack as
> jumper wire, will this gauge be thick enough to safely test motors
> like fan motors? I have a spool of 14-gauge thin stranded wire from
> Lowe's, but this is not that flexible. Radio Shack recommends 10-gauge
> wire for automotive uses though.
If you only use it for testing and stop when it burns your fingers it
will be fairly safe.
For a permanent rewire you should use wire as thick as was there from
the factory.
> 4) Is an inline fuse really necessary for jumper wires? You can get
> them at Radio Shack, but they are expensive.
An inline fuse right close to the battery connection could save you from
connecting to a wrong pin and starting a fire in the test lead.

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Julie P. - 13 Nov 2005 14:53 GMT
>> Hi, I finally was able to make my own jumper wires and successfully test
>> my blower motor and fan motor; however, I have some questions now:
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> black) ground wire thei ensures the ground stays good even in old age when
> the mounting frame connection has rusted.
Ok, nice redundancy feature I guess. Surprising for a Chevy Cavalier though.
>> 3) If I am using 20-gauge test lead wire right now from Radio Shack as
>> jumper wire, will this gauge be thick enough to safely test motors like
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> If you only use it for testing and stop when it burns your fingers it will
> be fairly safe.
My fear is I am always tempted to grap the paper clips stuck in the
alligator clips, which are long and wobbly, so I can stick them more easily
into male terminals. But if the wires are live, I could be in for quite
shock.
Thanks John,
Julie
Steve Mackie - 13 Nov 2005 15:19 GMT
> alligator clips, which are long and wobbly, so I can stick them more easily
> into male terminals. But if the wires are live, I could be in for quite
> shock.
Not likely.
John G - 13 Nov 2005 21:11 GMT
>>> Hi, I finally was able to make my own jumper wires and successfully
>>> test my blower motor and fan motor; however, I have some questions
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>
> Julie
12 volts is considered quite safe to touch anytime.
I do not think anyone has ever been hurt by a shock from 12 volts.
Of course it is possible to get large arcs or fires from short circuits
and also surprises from the induced EMF if a circuit thru an inductor
(relay coil etc) is broken and one is touching the wires.

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HLS@nospam.nix - 15 Nov 2005 13:10 GMT
"John G" <Greentest@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> 12 volts is considered quite safe to touch anytime.
> I do not think anyone has ever been hurt by a shock from 12 volts.
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> John G
Very correct on the shock aspect , John.
One of my instructors, Carl Roemer, taught all his classes to always remove
our rings (wedding bands and ornamental jewelry). Get a battery discharge
through a wedding ring, and you can well lose that finger.
John_H - 13 Nov 2005 04:22 GMT
>Hi, I finally was able to make my own jumper wires and successfully test my
>blower motor and fan motor; however, I have some questions now:
I've only got one question. :)
Why not use a test lamp (low wattage bulb with earth lead attached)
rather than jumper leads? In most cases it'll tell you as much, and
more, with a lot less risk of setting your car alight. Or worse
still, providing a path for the smoke to escape from delicate
electronic components -- around which an LED is an even safer option.
Jumper leads can be fine for bench testing but need to be used with
extreme caution for in car diagnostics.
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HLS@nospam.nix - 13 Nov 2005 12:52 GMT
> I've only got one question. :)
>
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> John H
Usually a test lamp will only tell you if you have voltage present, not if
the motor
will run when connected to the electrical source. Test lamps are handy
items, but
not necessarily for this.
By the way, Julie, you can get in inline fuse holder at Autozone for a
couple of bucks.
Maybe that is more than you would like to spend.
Julie P. - 13 Nov 2005 14:50 GMT
>> I've only got one question. :)
>>
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> couple of bucks.
> Maybe that is more than you would like to spend.
Thanks. They were $11.49 each at Radio shack, and I had been considering
making 6-8 jumper wires, necessitating spending $75-$95, which seemed a bit
much. So the AZ one sounds like a better deal. Anyway, I have to save money,
in case I end up having to do costly engine repairs due to the low oil
pressure problem. :)
Julie
Mike Romain - 13 Nov 2005 15:50 GMT
I have some old harnesses around and have taken some of their plugs to
make ends for my jumper cables. I have a spade and a pole one so far.
The rest have been ok with needles or paper clips.
You might want to go to a wrecker and tell them you want some old plug
pigtails. (plug/socket and 3" or so of wire) They should be cheap.
You also can get the plastic holders for inline glass fuses for about a
buck or so. The kind they use on radios or CB's.
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> Hi, I finally was able to make my own jumper wires and successfully test my
> blower motor and fan motor; however, I have some questions now:
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> Julie
plainoldmechanic - 17 Nov 2005 01:11 GMT
julie, i'm not really sure exactly what your fascination is with all
these jumper wires but i've been a tech. in excess of 35 years now and
i still dont have any one standard "fix" that will fit every
application . the truth is, every connector is different, from the size
and shape,to the availiable space , to whether it is male or female.
etc.... just get yourself a little asst. of different guages of wire
(prefferably some that isn't too stiff) don't really sweat the guage of
the wire. if the wire starts to get hot while testing,then you have a
problem. testing purposes are not for extended periods of time. in
other words if you "jump" a blower motor assembly, don't let it run for
5 minutes. if it comes on and runs for 45 secs. then its o.k.
as far as fuses are concerned, you should use them on every jumper
wire. these are not expensive. go to your local auto parts store and
ask for some circuit breakers , they come in many different amps. pick
up a 10, 20,and 30 amp. then just cut your jumper and attatch somewhere
in line . they have 2 "LEGS" coming off each breaker. these are really
inexpensive ($2) .
as for RADIO SHACK well, they know absolutely crap about automobiles.
and the way most cooling fans operate, they have a full time positive
feed to the fan motors. the relays and temp sensors work off of a
ground. they supply ground to the circuit. this is oposite from your
blower motor. today's electronics are all networked and contain many
"PULL-UP" and "PULL-DOWN" circuits. you should learn the difference
because if you don't , it's simply a matter of time before you really
wish you hadn't tried jumping something. destruction is inevitable.