We have this truck which had a badly leaking fuel tank. We replaced the
tank and have been able to get fuel up to the filter but we are not
certain if it is getting any further. We opened one of the injector
lines while the engine was cranking and did not get any air or fuel out
of it. I was told that we should open all the lines to bleed the system
of air. How important is it to do this? Will the air eventually be
pushed out intio the cylinders if you don't? And when bleeding, do you
do this one line at a time or all together? We are hesitant to try to
open a number of these lines because they are so badly rusted I'm
afraid we may break them off. Is there any other way to do this,
perhaps by pulling the glow plugs? Will that bleed the air out of the
lines? Also could someone please tell me something about how this
injector pump works, and how to confirm if it is working properly
independant of wether or not it will start the engine? I understand
that it is something like a distributor which runs off the cam but
instead of distributing spark it distributes fuel?
I think I have alot of blow by because the oil gets very dirty and thin
very fast. I also think the glow plug controller is operating off the
breaker system which is a backup because of voltage readings from last
fall told me that it wasnt working the way it should but still worked
off the backup. The truck wont fire up. I have pulled the glow plugs
and I dont know if a problem with the fuel not geting to the cyclinders
or compression? Maybe the glow plugs are not working enough to heat it
up. Maybe the batteries are not strong enough to turn the engine fast
enough because it doesnt seem to crank very fast at all even with 3
batteries fully charged and the block heater plugged in for hours it
still did not crank fast. Does it need to crank fast to start? Thanks
in advance. Lenny
> We have this truck which had a badly leaking fuel tank. We replaced the
> tank and have been able to get fuel up to the filter but we are not
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> or compression? Maybe the glow plugs are not working enough to heat it
> Does it need to crank fast to start?
o.k. lets see here... if you havent replaced the injector pump then
chances are you haven't managed to get it out of time. if you feel the
need to bleed the injectors then crack open the line farthest from the
pump--typically the last one closest to the firewall. i would suggest
that you first try dipping a rag in gasoline, wringing it out, and wrap
it around the air filterand try to start. the fumes should be
sufficient to make the engine hit and the air will disperse itself
after running awhile.the engine does not have to spin particularly fast
in order to start. most inj. pumps have either a manual pump on them or
electric. pull your filter and prime it with diesel or kerosene or
transmission fluid or coal oil or dang near anything handy ,making sure
you allow time for the filter to soak up whatever you added and keep on
until it stays full, spin it back on prior to the gas rag trick. NEVER
ATTEMPT TO START A DIESEL ENGINE EQUIPPED WITH GLOWPLUGS WITH STARTING
FLUID OR ETHER !!!! this can be very dangerous. let me know if it
cranks up.
captainvideo462002@yahoo.com - 17 Nov 2005 12:51 GMT
I really appreciate all the response I've gotten to my long winded
questions. I've been trying to understand as much about this system as
I can so that we may successfully (hopefully) troubleshoot it, and have
a working plow truck this Winter. I have been likening this injector
pump which apparently is cam operated to a distributor that distributes
fuel to each cylinder at, (and i'm guessing here, the bottom of the
compression stroke?). Is this a fair analogy? Also when I turn the key
on, if my wait light is coming on for the 9 seconds and I have 12V
present at the plugs during that time then I'm assuming that the
controller is working ok then? My son had added the part in the
original post that he felt the plug circuit was working off the breaker
but I was not sure what he meant by that. If it was would it just heat
the plugs until the overload popped the breaker? If so how long would
it allow the plugs to run? I guess what I'm getting at here is that I
would want to be certain that the controller is in fact working. How
would I determine that the controller is knocking off the plug power
and that it isn't being knocked off by the circuit breaker tripping
instead?
captainvideo462002@yahoo.com - 21 Nov 2005 21:34 GMT
We worked on the truck over the weekend. I found that the last owner of
the truck, (The state of New hampshire) replaced all the glow plug wire
terminals with poorly crimped on ones. Most of these were badly rotted
and loose. We replaced four glow plugs and I soldered new terminals to
those wires. The plugs on the other side of the engine didn't look as
bad as the ones I replaced so we left them for the time being. One
battery wire was burned and loose in its connector. We cut off the
connector. tinned the battery wire with good solder and installed a
replacement connector. One glow plug though, the one closest to the
firewall on the passenger side had a broken terminal and was so badly
rusted that we could not get a wrench on it so we had to forgoe
replacing it for the time being. We also replaced the batteries with
two Optima dry cells which have a CCC of 1000A. and without bleeding
the lines I wasn't expecting much. I put a voltmeter on the batteries
and read 12.6V. We turned on the key and that dropped to 11.5V
indicating that the glow plugs were on. The wait light went out after
about 10 seconds but the voltmeter stayed at 11.5 V. This was puzzling
but we cranked the engine and noted that the battery voltage dropped to
10.2V, (a far cry from the 8.4 V the other batteries read while
cranking), and although cranking seemed slow, lo and behold the truck
started! It sputtered a bit at first but soon began to run very well.
After about almost a minute there was a loud "clunk" sort of sound the
the battery voltage came up to about 12.2V indicating that perhaps the
glow plug circuit was off. I will put a meter right on the plugs next
time to confirm this but there seems to be something not right with
that whole scenario. It would seem that the excessive battery load
should have dropped after the glow plug timing period of nine seconds
shouldn't it? The other more obvious problem is that at 12.2V running
voltage the batteries do not seem to be charging. I'll have to look
into that too. This truck was apparently modified from 24V I'm told.
The alternator has a bat terminal a single small guage wire connected
to a single terminal; and a two wire connector also. Does this
alternator sound like a common one? Does anyone know where I might
find a schematic diagram of the charging circuit used with this? I'm an
electronics technician so I'm not too concerned with troubleshooting
electrical problems if I can find suitable documentation. There is
however one other issue ( besides the brake line that popped when we
finally moved the truck). There is engine oil slowly leaking out from
an area around the upper rear passenger side.of the engine. We thought
that it was one of the engine oil cooler lines at first. I got
underneath and you can see the two enginge oil cooler lines and they do
not have fresh oil on them but its crowded up in there so its hard to
tell. It does not seem to be one of the lines. It seems to be coming
from the top left side of the engine. I'm wondering if perhaps from
sitting for 7 months could it be that the very back area of a valve
cover gasket just dried up? What else up in that area would ooze oil
out and down that back left side of the engine and drip on the exhaust
pipe? I can't imagine that it could be a cracked block but if it is a
valve cover gasket it looks very difficult to get at. I wonder if
running the truck up to operating temperature may soften up the gasket,
that is if this is whats happening and somewhat seal this leak up. We
never had a leak there.before. Any further thoughts on this saga
especially the leak would be most sincerely appreciated. Lenny Stein.