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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / November 2005Airbag deploying, can this be for real?
Is this clip for real or is it just skillful editing? It looks genuine, but surely it can't be that easy to deploy an airbag. http://members.roadfly.com/ulf/dont_honk_at_old_ladies.wmv Ulf > http://members.roadfly.com/ulf/dont_honk_at_old_ladies.wmv Staged.  Signatureremove MYSHOES to email > > http://members.roadfly.com/ulf/dont_honk_at_old_ladies.wmv > > Staged. We watched the latest Wallace and Gromit movie last week: "The Curse of the Were-Rabbit". Wallace and Gromit run a pest-control outfit, and their company vehicle is an Austin A35 van. Judging by the interior trim visible in various scenes, I'd say it was a pre-'65. At one point, Gromit thumps the steering wheel with his fist in frustration, and the airbag deploys! Don't know about you, but I do believe this scene was staged as well... > At one point, Gromit thumps the steering wheel with his fist in > frustration, and the airbag deploys! Don't know about you, but I do > believe this scene was staged as well... And in "Vacation" as well - at least they used trash bags to heighten the realism :) Signatureremove MYSHOES to email > At one point, Gromit thumps the steering wheel with his fist in > frustration, and the airbag deploys! Don't know about you, but I do > believe this scene was staged as well... I don't know about that, it looked pretty real. > Is this clip for real or is it just skillful editing? It looks genuine, > but surely it can't be that easy to deploy an airbag. > > http://members.roadfly.com/ulf/dont_honk_at_old_ladies.wmv > > Ulf An airbag explosion is pretty violent and dusty and hot. The driver wouldn't be so worried about the irony of the situation like in the video -- as he would be of the sh.t in his pants and the difficulty breathing shortly afterward. Plus, there's a good chance his sunglasses would be someplace other than his face post deployment. Toyota MDT in MO yep. That deployment was a bit slow. It more of a BANG...INSTANT BAG >> Is this clip for real or is it just skillful editing? It looks genuine, >> but surely it can't be that easy to deploy an airbag. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > breathing shortly afterward. Plus, there's a good chance his > sunglasses would be someplace other than his face post deployment. I am sure it is put up job (the cut away to the old lady is too convenient since at that point nothing had happened). However, I believe you could be wrong about the sun glasses. The design of the air bag limits the range (extent, distance, radius of action etc) of the air bag deployment.In an accident where you are decelerating, your face is moving towards the air bag and your comment about the sun glasses makes sense. However, in the movie, the car is not decelerating, or even moving. Therefore the driver is not moving towards the air bag and given the limits of the air bag envelope, it seems unlikely that it would knock the sun glasses off. From the post accident vehicles I've seen, the about of stuff expelled from the air bag is relatively limited. I am guessing most of the "dust" is contained in the bag.This is just speculation, I have never had one of mine go off and the ones I've seen were all well after the accident. Ed > I am sure it is put up job (the cut away to the old lady is too convenient > since at that point nothing had happened). However, I believe you could be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > relatively limited. I am guessing most of the "dust" is contained in the > bag.This is just speculation, The "dust" dissipates quickly after the explosion, but at the time it is quite noticeable. The bag is constructed of an air-permeable weave so as to a) not rupture on expansion, and b) deflate after it's primary task is complete. Blast particles are forced through the weave on explosion. Also, I haven't proven this, but I suspect there is a talc type powder lubricant applied to the outside of the bag to keep it from sticking or "seaming" from years of folded storage. You may want to see one go off before you remark about the sunglasses, too. I have never had one of mine go off and the > ones I've seen were all well after the accident. I deploy warranty units at work (typically ones that set intermittant squib codes). Believe me, they go off violently. I place the unit horn-button-side-up inside 4 tires and STRAP them together. Ask me what can happen when you don't strap the tires together :) (hint: it involves the phrases "in the air" and "well over 25 feet") Toyota MDT in MO In article <1132612882.219920.265170@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > I deploy warranty units at work (typically ones that set intermittant > squib codes). Believe me, they go off violently. I place the unit [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Toyota MDT in MO You have way too much fun... > >> Is this clip for real or is it just skillful editing? It looks genuine, > >> but surely it can't be that easy to deploy an airbag. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Ed As a firefighter and as someone who has had 2 airbags go off (both as a driver being hit by another vehicle) I can tell you that that damn corn starch gets EVERYWHERE. It is used as a lubricant to allow the bag to deploy faster and keeps the folded bag from sticking together. They WILL nail you in the face while seated and buckled in the seat with the seat all the way back and reclined back a few degrees. The first one knocked my sunglasses off and the second one broke them. The dust settles out of the air rapidly as well as gets carried away on a slight breeze. I have also seen them deployed during training and one of the classes shows what can happen if you are stuck between the wheel and a patient. They put a dummy in the seat and a rescuer dummy between the patient and wheel. They then trip the bags and show the results from the sensors and film. Broken ribs and arms are common if you are that close to the bag when it goes off. > An airbag explosion is pretty violent and dusty and hot. The driver > wouldn't be so worried about the irony of the situation like in the > video -- as he would be of the sh.t in his pants and the difficulty > breathing shortly afterward. Plus, there's a good chance his > sunglasses would be someplace other than his face post deployment. Yep, I've been to Texas Children's Hospital and have seen kids that were sitting behind an [deployed] airbag - both eyes were black-n-blue and they had bruises about the face. Signatureremove MYSHOES to email >>An airbag explosion is pretty violent and dusty and hot. The driver >>wouldn't be so worried about the irony of the situation like in the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > kids that were sitting behind an [deployed] airbag - both > eyes were black-n-blue and they had bruises about the face. But that is because they came in contact with the bag because they were in the act of being thrown forward when the bag went off, or were too close to the bag. A driver sitting in a normal driving position (NOT slamming forward in an accident) can have the airbag go off right in front of him and it will never touch his face because it only inflates to a limited size. Its not stretchy like a balloon. > > Yep, I've been to Texas Children's Hospital and have seen > > kids that were sitting behind an [deployed] airbag - both > > eyes were black-n-blue and they had bruises about the face. > But that is because they came in contact with the bag because they were > in the act of being thrown forward when the bag went off, or were too > close to the bag. A driver sitting in a normal driving position (NOT > slamming forward in an accident) can have the airbag go off right in > front of him and it will never touch his face because it only inflates > to a limited size. Its not stretchy like a balloon. Let me guess - you're saying the video is *REAL*. << sheesh >> Signatureremove MYSHOES to email >>>Yep, I've been to Texas Children's Hospital and have seen >>>kids that were sitting behind an [deployed] airbag - both [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > << sheesh >> Where does it say that in ANYTHING I wrote? If you'd bother to read previous posts, what I actually said was that the airbag CANNOT deploy that way unless rigged. While the video is clearly staged, the bag deployment might or might not be an actual airbag going off. I tend to think its a fake, but I can't rule it out. The argument that the bag would hit the driver in the face is not valid because the driver was far enough back from the airbag. Can I possibly make it any clearer than that? >>>>Yep, I've been to Texas Children's Hospital and have seen >>>>kids that were sitting behind an [deployed] airbag - both eyes were [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > staged, the bag deployment might or might not be an actual airbag going > off. I tend to think its a fake, but I can't rule it out. Anyone who has seen one go off can rule it out. No question whatsoever that it was a fake airbag. Bob >Is this clip for real or is it just skillful editing? It looks genuine, >but surely it can't be that easy to deploy an airbag. > >http://members.roadfly.com/ulf/dont_honk_at_old_ladies.wmv It's a set up. If air bags went off that easily, most of the cars in NYC would have their air bags deployed during parking maneuvers. --------------- Alex > Is this clip for real or is it just skillful editing? It looks genuine, > but surely it can't be that easy to deploy an airbag. > > http://members.roadfly.com/ulf/dont_honk_at_old_ladies.wmv > > Ulf Deploying the airbag requires MULTIPLE sensors to be in the right configuration.... IOW, you have to be decelarating and at the same time an impact has to be sensed by the sensors behind the bumper, and you speed has to be greater than zero, etc... This is staged. Now, I'm not so sure that its not a real airbag deployment- the car could have been rigged so that the airbag could be popped on command. As for the comment that an airbag deployment would be more violent... I've seen videos from airbag testing where they were trying to see if a driver could maintain control of the car during an airbag deployment, and they looked about like this does. > Is this clip for real or is it just skillful editing? It looks genuine, > but surely it can't be that easy to deploy an airbag. > > http://members.roadfly.com/ulf/dont_honk_at_old_ladies.wmv > > Ulf Considering the fact that airbags 'deflate' (technically more of a rapid leak) almost as fast as they inflate, any time you see one pumped up and holding air like a circus balloon, it's probably fake. I've seen several airbags deployed and not a single one ever held air. They're designed to bounce you back from the steering column and just end up in your lap, looking like a big pillowcase with nothing in it hanging out of your steering wheel, dash, door or wherever it's installed. Of course in movies and TV shows they almost always look like big weather balloons filling the passenger compartment and holding air trapping the driver & passengers in place. Funny idea, but pretty stupid from a safety perspective. Cheers, - JG >> Is this clip for real or is it just skillful editing? It looks >> genuine, but surely it can't be that easy to deploy an airbag. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Cheers, > - JG didn't watch the video, but they also sound like a shotgun going off. I saw a demo at a hotel once - they had a firefighter convention and had a demo cut up car that they would set off the airbags in. I confirm that they inflate and deflate in the blink of an eye. Ray > didn't watch the video, I just did. A bit late to the party, but... > but they also sound like a shotgun going off. > I saw a demo at a hotel once - they had a firefighter convention and > had a demo cut up car that they would set off the airbags in. I > confirm that they inflate and deflate in the blink of an eye. That's just what I was thinking. In that video, you can actually /see/ the bag inflate, it expands that slowly. It's like somebody had a small shop compressor in the trunk to inflate it. The video is staged, without a shadow of a doubt. > didn't watch the video, but they also sound like a shotgun going off. > I saw a demo at a hotel once - they had a firefighter convention and had > a demo cut up car that they would set off the airbags in. I confirm > that they inflate and deflate in the blink of an eye. > > Ray I've also heard about people complaining after accidents to the dealer they bought their car from, because they though the airbag was defective. It worked so fast that they thought is never even inflated because when they blinked on impact, they missed the airbag at full deployment. They also didn't know why they had an abrasion or scrape on their face but figured something 'flying around' must have hit them. ;) Cheers, - JJ >> didn't watch the video, but they also sound like a shotgun going off. >> I saw a demo at a hotel once - they had a firefighter convention and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Cheers, > - JJ at the demo they inflated a side cushion airbag sitting on the ground, it must have jumped 10 feet in the air when the initial detonation happened, and was empty when it landed. Made the audience jump. I stand by my nickname of airbomb. They may save lives, assuming they don't kill you first. ;) |
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