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Need a hitch-mounted loading lift...

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Dean - 21 Nov 2005 16:01 GMT
Hi all,

I often have to lift large logs (2' round oaks, 2' long) into the back
of my land rover. Currently I step them up on progressively taller
logs, but it would be great if I had a platform that I could lower to
the ground, and then lever up to the height of my cargo load! Any
ideas?

Thanks,

Dean
Steve Mackie - 21 Nov 2005 16:14 GMT
> I often have to lift large logs (2' round oaks, 2' long) into the back
> of my land rover. Currently I step them up on progressively taller
> logs, but it would be great if I had a platform that I could lower to
> the ground, and then lever up to the height of my cargo load! Any
> ideas?

http://www.pickupspecialties.com/spitzlift.htm
Steve Mackie - 21 Nov 2005 16:16 GMT
Here's a better link:

http://www.spitzlift.net/

> I often have to lift large logs (2' round oaks, 2' long) into the back
> of my land rover. Currently I step them up on progressively taller
> logs, but it would be great if I had a platform that I could lower to
> the ground, and then lever up to the height of my cargo load! Any
> ideas?
Dean - 21 Nov 2005 18:37 GMT
That's the idea (thanks, btw!), but that does look a bit slow. I really
want a lever action.
Steve Mackie - 21 Nov 2005 19:04 GMT
> That's the idea (thanks, btw!), but that does look a bit slow. I really
> want a lever action.

Levers are not as efficient as winches. Unless you want to start using
hydraulics or electrics, which wouldn't be much faster, this is the best you
are going to get. You could just design and build something yourself, but it
would end up being specialized for one purpose. The SpitzLift can fold and
store in the back of you rig and be used for many things. You could use it
to load your groceries if you wanted.

Seriously though, how fast does it need to be? Are you stealing the wood?
Dean - 21 Nov 2005 19:31 GMT
No, not stealing it! But there's maybe 100 logs this size on my
neighbors property, I load 4 into tha back of the truck and drive to my
own house and unload. But each time its like a wrestle to get them in
the back.
Ad absurdum per aspera - 21 Nov 2005 20:06 GMT
Do you mean to use them in their present shape (e.g., as landscaping
components or parts for some project) or as firewood?

In the latter case you might be better off from a variety of
standpoints by splitting them on site.  You can buy or rent splitters
and combination splitter/lifters that you tow behind the vehicle.    If
you can get a deal, this is going to be a lot less arduous than trying
to cut 'em up with a chain saw.

Towed tools are are going to be a lot more capable than anything
actually supported by the hitch, which probably doesn't want more than
200 or 300 pounds of tongue weight.

You might also consider whether a utility trailer and/or a few trips
with a rented 3/4 ton pickup would get 'em home faster than four at a
time in the back of a luxo SUV, unless of course you need its off-road
capabilities to get to the things in the first place.  Perhaps you
could work out a deal with somebody who has such items and would rather
have some of the firewood than a Saturday.

Cheers,
--Joe "Read and understand the instruction manual inc. the part about
personal safety gear" Chew
Dean - 21 Nov 2005 21:40 GMT
Joe - I have a splitter and a trailer - I can get neither of them to
the logs, its too slippery and muddy, I can only just get there in a
land rover with mud tires. Otherwise, yes, I would split them there and
throw them onto the trailer.
Ad absurdum per aspera - 22 Nov 2005 14:28 GMT
Does your climate give you a window this fall when the ground is frozen
enough to lumber along (no pun intended and not much of one achieved)
with a trailer?  Might mean less tear-up of the road even if you end up
taking 'em a few at a time with the Range Rover anyway.  

--Joe
Dean - 22 Nov 2005 16:57 GMT
land owner is clearing the whole place soon, have to rush before the
machines come in and start chipping everything up.
Mike Romain - 21 Nov 2005 20:31 GMT
What about a ramp that hooks onto the back of the Land rover and goes to
the ground?  

You roll the log onto the bottom, strap it or stick a post or 2 behind
it to hold it and use something like a High Lift or Jack All farm jack
to raise the end of the ramp above level so the log just rolls into the
back of the truck.

The jacks are 4 and 5', but maybe they make taller ones.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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> Hi all,
>
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>
> Dean
Dean - 21 Nov 2005 21:42 GMT
Mike that's not a bad idea, I have a high lift jack too.  But pumping
that handle 20 times for 100 logs seems a bit much
Mike Romain - 22 Nov 2005 14:45 GMT
> Mike that's not a bad idea, I have a high lift jack too.  But pumping
> that handle 20 times for 100 logs seems a bit much

Ok, same ramp.  Hooked onto vehicle with two legs hinged/single bolted
to far end of ramp pointing forward to lay under bumper.

Load log and drive forward 5' or so.  The legs dig in and raise end of
ramp.  Log rolls into truck.  Back up for next log.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos:  Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Steve Mackie - 22 Nov 2005 15:02 GMT
> > Mike that's not a bad idea, I have a high lift jack too.  But pumping
> > that handle 20 times for 100 logs seems a bit much
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> Load log and drive forward 5' or so.  The legs dig in and raise end of
> ramp.  Log rolls into truck.  Back up for next log.

That's ingenius!
Dean - 22 Nov 2005 17:24 GMT
Unless it just skids forward and doesn't dig in.
Mike Romain - 22 Nov 2005 17:54 GMT
> Unless it just skids forward and doesn't dig in.

That is simple.  I would put an X across the legs so they aren't wobbly
with one bar across the bottom and just pound a 2x4 or 2x2 or rebar
stake in so the bar across the bottom of the two legs grabs the stake
when you go forward.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos:  Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Mike Romain - 22 Nov 2005 18:37 GMT
> > Unless it just skids forward and doesn't dig in.
>
> That is simple.  I would put an X across the legs so they aren't wobbly
> with one bar across the bottom and just pound a 2x4 or 2x2 or rebar
> stake in so the bar across the bottom of the two legs grabs the stake
> when you go forward.

I was just reading about the temporary nature of the job, so I would
think about even just using a 1x10" or 2x10" or even 2x8" board hinged
to the ramp with the stake in the ground as a skid stop would do for the
legs, no need to get fancy.  The ramp could be a couple 2x8" with ladder
style braces.  A chunk of angle iron bolted to the end of the ramp to
hook into the bumper maybe? And away you go.

> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos:  Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
William R. Watt - 22 Nov 2005 19:30 GMT
If you're only hauling 4 at a time isn't there plenty time to rest the
pumping arm between loads?

> Mike that's not a bad idea, I have a high lift jack too.  But pumping
> that handle 20 times for 100 logs seems a bit much
William R. Watt - 21 Nov 2005 22:16 GMT
usual practice in small logging operations is to drag logs to higher ground
and roll downhill onto truck. dragging is usually done by horse or farm
tractor but Land Rover should suffice.

> Hi all,
>
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>
> Dean
Dean - 22 Nov 2005 04:24 GMT
William - dragging cover the wood with dirt and crap and makes it a
pain to saw them. I prefer to saw them right where they fall and make a
mess on someone else's land, not mine. Its hard to make much of a mess
in a forest!
Pete C. - 21 Nov 2005 22:29 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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>
> Dean

Harbor Freight has a hitch mounted, electric winch operated 500# lift
platform on sale for $200 (regular $400). I've not seen it personally,
but I've seen reports that indicate it's a pretty nice unit. Lot / item
number 47591 in the current flyer.

Pete C.
Dean - 22 Nov 2005 04:25 GMT
Pete that's what I was looking for. If it were a mechanical one I would
have bought it. But I don't want another winch and it is quite a few
$$$, even at that price.

But thanks, I'll keep it in mind.

Dean
Pete C. - 22 Nov 2005 21:07 GMT
> Pete that's what I was looking for. If it were a mechanical one I would
> have bought it. But I don't want another winch and it is quite a few
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>
> Dean

Hmm, well I guess everyone's finances are different. I tend to think
that $200 for that lift is cheaper than dirt compared to the several
thousand dollars that a full sized electric-hydraulic lift gate costs.

At any rate you could easily clone the design with salvaged materials
and optimize it for log lifting.

Pete C.
Dean - 24 Nov 2005 05:08 GMT
I do have a winch on the front of my rover, but I can't think of a way
of using it for lifting something at the back, unless I run the winch
rope over the roof rack. But I hesitate to put 400 lb of oak onto a
1/4" section of my rack.
Pete C. - 24 Nov 2005 06:36 GMT
> I do have a winch on the front of my rover, but I can't think of a way
> of using it for lifting something at the back, unless I run the winch
> rope over the roof rack. But I hesitate to put 400 lb of oak onto a
> 1/4" section of my rack.

Considering they are charging about $50 for the winch that is included
with the lift it's kind of irrelevant. The snatch blocks that would be
required to loop the winch cable around and to the back would cost more
than the extra winch with the lift.

Certainly if you are handy and have a welder you could roughly clone
their lift design and use a regular hydraulic jack instead. The tradeoff
is of course your time scrounging and building (you did say you have to
move all the wood soon) vs. the $200 for the ready to go unit that would
take about 30 min to install.

Pete C.
 
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