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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / December 2005I forgot to oil the oil filter gasket. How bad is this?
I've never done this before. I didn't see any leaks around the gasket, so does that mean I'm OK? > I've never done this before. I didn't see any leaks around the gasket, > so does that mean I'm OK? Fine, until you try to take it off. > I've never done this before. I didn't see any leaks around the gasket, > so does that mean I'm OK? Here's a case where two minuses may make a plus. You probably did not wipe off the filter adaptor plate either so there may have been enough residual oil coating it to allow the gasket to release OK when you change filters next time. It's not a big deal. You are not leaking not and should not. Be more careful next time. When you take it off next time, make sure the old gasket comes off with the filter. A dry gasket can stick to the plate. You don't want two gaskets there or you will have a problem. At least you remembered that you forgot. > > I didn't see any leaks around the gasket, so does that mean I'm OK? > > Here's a case where two minuses may make a plus. You probably did not > wipe off the filter adaptor plate either so there may have been enough > residual oil coating it to allow the gasket to release OK when you > change filters next time. Unfortunately I cleaned off the plate very thoroughly because it was also made for a larger diameter filter and had dirt beyond the circumference of the smaller filter that was on there. :( > At least you remembered that you forgot. Yeah, but not in time. :( >> > I didn't see any leaks around the gasket, so does that mean I'm OK? >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Yeah, but not in time. :( While we're on this topic... I went to remove my previous oil filter prior to installing a Mobil 1 oil filter last night. To my surprise, it twisted off with NO effort. Normally I have to put a pair of pliers on it to free it up, even with lubricating the gasket. This time it came off with no effort, yet wasn't leaking but must have been 1/1000th of a turn away from leaking. So I recommend checking from time to time to be certain your oil filters are tight. This one loosened for some reason I haven't been able to figure out. I certainly DID put it on with a wrench, just like I put a wrench of all of them when tightening. Lg >>>>I didn't see any leaks around the gasket, so does that mean I'm OK? >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Lg A wrench? What wrench? The instructions (RTFM) say one half to three quarters of a turn after the gasket makes contact! You do this by hand, always. Screw it down, back off, look at it, screw it down until you have a good seal, then final torque. Hands on, with loving care. A personal vehicle ( hate that word) is alive, it responds to speech emotions, and the human touch. It's your baby. I can't count the number of cars and trucks I've fixed by empathizing. Customers are amazed, until they take them out and treat them with indifference or disdain. Result: breakdown, rattle, squeak, groan, moan, (g)rumble. Unless you are driving a (insert pet peeve here), there must be something you like about your Taurus ) I think. Accentuate the positive bro! See the light! All is joy! I gotta quit drinkin'. wws wws >>>>>I didn't see any leaks around the gasket, so does that mean I'm OK? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >A wrench? Yes, in my country they sell something called an oil filter wrench. It fits over the flat spots at the top of the oil filter canister, as was intended by the designers of the oil filters themselves. >What wrench? The instructions (RTFM) say one half to three quarters of a >turn after the gasket makes contact! Yes? So? >You do this by hand, always. Ehm...no. Not on my car you don't, since you can only reach the filter with one hand under the exhaust manifold. >Screw it down, back off, look at it, screw it down until you have a good >seal, then final torque. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >See the light! All is joy! >I gotta quit drinkin'. I am just saying it is possible for an oil filter to loosen. Some people only think they can fit tightly and never come off. The opposite can happen also. Lg >wws > >wws >>>>>>I didn't see any leaks around the gasket, so does that mean I'm OK? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] >> >>wws crippled old man don't take two hands, just one really just two or three fingers if you have a thumb don't talk to me about crippled got more stainless and titanium in me than you, i bet oughta see my face surgeon tried i'm tryin' to grow a beard to cover hairs go ever which way one leg healed ok, the other ain't gonna 6 years on i carry my left wrist chest high (that was on the job, doc "you're fine!") granted, some filters are hell, but what I would do is seat it by hand, note or mark its position, then use the wrench if in doubt go 1 full turn properly installed they do not loosen unless they are 20 years old and the gasket has collapsed > I am just saying it is possible for an oil filter to loosen. In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed oil filter loosen. > Some people only think they can fit tightly and never come off. The > opposite can happen also. What -can- happen is over tightening the oil filter distorts the threads, i.e., partially stripped. Mores law; If more is good, too much is just right. >> I am just saying it is possible for an oil filter to loosen. > >In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed >oil filter loosen. This is one of the only times I've experienced this. Maybe one time long ago also. >> Some people only think they can fit tightly and never come off. The >> opposite can happen also. > >What -can- happen is over tightening the oil filter distorts the >threads, i.e., partially stripped. Well the filter is still out in the garage ( the old filter ). I will go take a look at that. >Mores law; If more is good, too much is just right. What seems odd to me, is because some people don't have personal experience with something, they think it can't happen to anyone else. Lg > >In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed > >oil filter loosen. > > This is one of the only times I've experienced this. Maybe one time > long ago also. The nipple that the oil filter threads onto is good for backing off on Ford engines, if it were mine, I'd take it all the way off, clean the threads with some solvent and apply a little Loctite to the thread end that goes into the block (next oil change of course). > >What -can- happen is over tightening the oil filter distorts the > >threads, i.e., partially stripped. > > Well the filter is still out in the garage ( the old filter ). I will > go take a look at that. Take a thread gauge along... > >Mores law; If more is good, too much is just right. > > What seems odd to me, is because some people don't have personal > experience with something, they think it can't happen to anyone else. I didn't say that I didn't think it could happen to anyone else, in fact, I gave two reasons/remedies for possible situations such as yours. 1) the threads are but three or four threads deep, it doesn't take much to start 'em pulling, that is why you spin 'em on until the gasket contacts and then the fraction of a turn as recommended by the filter manufacturer. 2) The nipple is known to come loose, Loctite it in place. >> >In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed >> >oil filter loosen. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >recommended by the filter manufacturer. >2) The nipple is known to come loose, Loctite it in place. It looks like the rubber sealing gasket at the bottom of the filter compressed and lost its' elasticity, if it had any to begin with. This was a Fram Tough Guard bought at China-Mart. Everything else about the filter looks OK, except that gasket is definitely compressed with regards to how much of it extends beyond the can when it is taken off the engine. Lg >>>>In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed >>>>oil filter loosen. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Lg not the first fake bulbs, fuses, etc all fake with convincing labels >>>>>In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed >>>>>oil filter loosen. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >bulbs, fuses, etc >all fake with convincing labels There oughta be a Law against this sh.t. That could have resulted in catastrophic engine failure. If I could get Law Enforcement to buy a few of these off the shelves and have an independent lab compare them with REAL Fram Filters, we might have a chance. In the meantime, Buyer Beware when shopping at China Mart. Lg >>>>>>In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed >>>>>>oil filter loosen. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Lg I will, They are building a China Mart just down the street. I could boycott them on opening day. >>>>>>>In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed >>>>>>>oil filter loosen. [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >They are building a China Mart just down the street. >I could boycott them on opening day. You know these people are born liars and skirt the law at every opportunity. Remember "MADE IN AMERICA!" on all the sh.t clothing they imported from Asia and Indonesia? Until they were found out. You don't see "Made in America" on anything in China Mart anymore, now that the Truth is out. I really don't know how a company that f.cks its employees and f.cks its customers as badly as China Mart does, can not only remain in business, but thrive. I know one thing. I am =finished= with them in regards to auto parts. Who to use now? NAPA or OEM from the dealer. Or maybe Pepboys for non-critical applications. Oil and oil filters are at the =top= of the *critical applications* components/consumables. Lg >>>>>>>>In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed >>>>>>>>oil filter loosen. [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > Lg Whoh, hold on pardner. Pep boys used to and may still carry Purolator. Oil is oil, its all slippery and has been vetted/graded. Their bulbs I don't trust. Pep boys/Napa/Canadian/Harbor Freight/Sears/ etc. live by their rep. Not so chinka mart, walmart(volume). Look for brands, ask questions (+here) and examine the package closely. caveat emptor PS There are laws, such as George Bush Won. >>>>>>>>>In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed >>>>>>>>>oil filter loosen. [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] >> >> Lg ================================================== >Whoh, hold on pardner. >Pep boys used to and may still carry Purolator. You going to bet your LIFE it is Purolator, rather than a counterfeit or cheaped-out version of a Real Purolator? >Oil is oil, its all slippery and has been vetted/graded. All oils are definitely =not= the same. Oil is Oil? is like saying women are women. There is the good, the bad, and the ugly. >Their bulbs I don't trust. Now you're learning... >Pep boys/Napa/Canadian/Harbor Freight/Sears/ etc. live by their rep. If that were true, Pepboys would have gone out of business a long time ago. I can't think of a more incompetent automotive service department chain on the face of the planet. Sears isn't even as bad as they are. >Not so chinka mart, walmart(volume). Chika mart sucks. Even their plastic sucks. >Look for brands, ask questions (+here) and examine the package closely. >caveat emptor > >PS There are laws, such as George Bush Won. Laws don't mean sh.t when there is nobody around to enforce them. Lg >>>>>>>>>>In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed >>>>>>>>>>oil filter loosen. [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] > > Lg oil is oil look at the grade, guaranteed to meet or exceed................ that is a contract "12v bulb" tells you nothing >>>>>>>>>>>In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed >>>>>>>>>>>oil filter loosen. [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] >> >> Lg ========================================================== >oil is oil >look at the grade, guaranteed to meet or exceed................ On whose word? The guy who makes the stuff or the guy who puts it in a bottle and sells it? >that is a contract >"12v bulb" tells you nothing Don't believe everything you read. If people were honest, there would be no need for a Legal System. Last time I looked, the jails are filled to overflowing. Lg >>>>>>>>>>>>In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed >>>>>>>>>>>>oil filter loosen. [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] > > Lg Andy Granatelli aside, Haven't heard of any that needed it. Even walmart diesel oil has all needed additives for motorcycles incl. GODHarley. >>>>>>>>>>>>>In 35 years as a mechanic, I've never seen a properly installed >>>>>>>>>>>>>oil filter loosen. [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] >> >> Lg ================================================================ >Andy Granatelli aside, Haven't heard of any that needed it. >Even walmart diesel oil has all needed additives for motorcycles incl. >GODHarley. You ARE aware that the Pennzoil Indy Formula 1 isn't running Pennzoil in the Engine? It is only wearing the Decal on the body for $$$/sponsorship. That ain't what is in the engine, but nobody is telling the viewing public _that_ little bit of vital information. What is in the engine IIRC is full synthetic Mobil 1 or equivalent. Not the stuff they advertise on the decal. Don't believe everything you see. Say you come across a chrome-vanadium tool. How much chrome? How much vanadium? Are they the SAME because they both say chrome vanadium? You know _better_. BTW, I have a bottle of "Motor Honey" over here that straight out LIES with the first two lines on the label. Question me THIS, Batman! "PEMIUM" Stops Smoke (reduce Humo) Well, which is it? The first line says it STOPS smoke in English, The second line in Espanola says it only REDUCES it. Hey? Wanna buy a bottle? I'll give you a good price you can't refuse. Lg > oil is oil Really? Why is it that non of the oil on the shelves at Walmart are labeled to meet any of the various VW specifications? (501, 503, 505, etc) > look at the grade, guaranteed to meet or exceed................ You're using old school criteria. API specs are pretty much worthless and have been for a number of years. > that is a contract Contracts are about what is NOT written as much or more than what IS written. > "12v bulb" tells you nothing Sure it does. it doesn't tell everything, but it does tell the system voltage it's meant to operate at. >Oil is oil, its all slippery and has been vetted/graded. Do some companies exceed the standards more than others? Because I recently heard somebody who said he used to rebuild APU turbines for jet planes, and he claimed that the APUs that had run Mobil synthetic looked worse than those that used Castrol synthetic. And earlier a person who said he worked for oil additive maker Lubrizol mentioned that some oil companies specified a lot more additive than others did for the same automotive applications. >>Oil is oil, its all slippery and has been vetted/graded. > > Do some companies exceed the standards more than others? Hell yes. And sometimes the "latest and greatest" API rating won't be granted to an oil (example Mobil 1 Extended Life) because it has "too much" of an additive that is being reduced in the API standards in order to lower emissions (ZDDP- a key lubricant for high-pressure sliding friction areas such as flat-tappet camshafts which aren't used in modern engines but are still out there in the millions). > It looks like the rubber sealing gasket at the bottom of the filter > compressed and lost its' elasticity, if it had any to begin with. > This was a Fram Tough Guard bought at China-Mart. > ^^^^ Enough said. Proper installation also includes making the proper choice when procuring parts. > Everything else about the filter looks OK, except that gasket is > definitely compressed with regards to how much of it extends beyond > the can when it is taken off the engine. >> I am just saying it is possible for an oil filter to loosen. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Mores law; If more is good, too much is just right. >> I am just saying it is possible for an oil filter to loosen. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Mores law; If more is good, too much is just right. I haven't heard that for a while but IIRC "If a little is good more is better and too much is just right" LOL > I've never done this before. I didn't see any leaks around the gasket, > so does that mean I'm OK? I never used to oil mine. I do now. If you losen it a bit and then retighten it, there will be oil on the gasket. I never do (very lazy) and never had a problem. Sometimes I don't even change oil for tens of thousands of miles, just add oil when it gets really low. This was when I was younger. That MR2 gave me over 300K miles being treated that way, honest to God. > I've never done this before. I didn't see any leaks around the gasket, > so does that mean I'm OK? Its more likely to be stuck when you try to remove the filter at the next oil change. But with modern filter gaskets, many of which are impregnated with lubricants, its not quite such a big deal as it once was. I think I would loosen off the filter and put it back on with some oil. If it leaks, then it would get oiled with only a couple turns.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=2120343242 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > I've never done this before. I didn't see any leaks around the gasket, > so does that mean I'm OK? |
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