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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / December 2005

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How long do tires last when kept away from sunlight & ozone?

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larry moe 'n curly - 17 Dec 2005 09:57 GMT
I have some mini spares that have been treated annually with rubber
preservative and kept in the garage in sealed plastic bags since they
were new.  How old can they get in this condition before they become
unsafe to use?
Al Bundy - 17 Dec 2005 13:52 GMT
> I have some mini spares that have been treated annually with rubber
> preservative and kept in the garage in sealed plastic bags since they
> were new.  How old can they get in this condition before they become
> unsafe to use?

I regard them as unsafe to use from day one.

Protection from light does help some, but mostly in terms of premature
aging. Standards are on the way for the maximum age at which a tire can
be sold. In Europe I thought they were talking about seven years. You
can easily check this. So I'd say seven years and you are on your own,
maybe ten at the outside.
When and if a person ever must resort to a mini they should drive extra
carefully and expect handling problems. It should be strictly for
emergencies.
It's no coincidence that I see mini spares for free or $1 at garage
sales regularly.
beerspill@whoever.com - 18 Dec 2005 04:01 GMT
> > I have some mini spares that have been treated annually with rubber
> > preservative and kept in the garage in sealed plastic bags since they
> > were new.

> I regard them as unsafe to use from day one.

I expected somebody to say that, not that I like them either (why
they're in the garage rather than in my cars).
=AB Paul =BB - 17 Dec 2005 17:12 GMT
> I have some mini spares that have been treated annually with rubber
> preservative and kept in the garage in sealed plastic bags since they
> were new.  How old can they get in this condition before they become
> unsafe to use?

IMO, 10 years absolute max.  If they were mine, and I really wanted to
keep them, I would double bag and then replace the air in the tires
and in the bags with argon.
Scott Dorsey - 17 Dec 2005 17:14 GMT
=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul =?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?= <Houston, Texas, USA> wrote:

>> I have some mini spares that have been treated annually with rubber
>> preservative and kept in the garage in sealed plastic bags since they
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>keep them, I would double bag and then replace the air in the tires
>and in the bags with argon.

My take on this is that mini spares are unsafe to use even if they are
brand new and have no degradation at all.
--scott
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pater - 17 Dec 2005 17:18 GMT
That was my take, why in the world would anyone with a brain want a
"stash" of mini spares????
=AB Paul =BB - 17 Dec 2005 17:23 GMT
> That was my take, why in the world would anyone with a brain want a
> "stash" of mini spares????

Collector's items for antique cars in 30 years?
beerspill@whoever.com - 18 Dec 2005 04:04 GMT
> That was my take, why in the world would anyone with a brain want a
> "stash" of mini spares????

I never got around to selling them, and I put one in the trunk when I
have to drive from Phoenix to Tucson (two spares, the other a full
size).
Alex Rodriguez - 21 Dec 2005 14:45 GMT
>My take on this is that mini spares are unsafe to use even if they are
>brand new and have no degradation at all.

If you keep them properly inflated and keep your speeds under the limit
of the spare, they work ok.  Most people don't check the tire pressure
on these, so when they need to use them, they are usually dangerous because
they are underinflated.  
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Alex
Daniel J. Stern - 17 Dec 2005 17:21 GMT
> I have some mini spares that have been treated annually with rubber
> preservative and kept in the garage in sealed plastic bags since they
> were new.  How old can they get in this condition before they become
> unsafe to use?

Trick question. Mini spares *start out* unsafe to use.
John S. - 18 Dec 2005 13:20 GMT
> I have some mini spares that have been treated annually with rubber
> preservative and kept in the garage in sealed plastic bags since they
> were new.  How old can they get in this condition before they become
> unsafe to use?

Rather than relying on guesses my recommendation would be to call the
manufacturer of the tire.  And then rely on their recommendation.
Are you looking to resell them possibly?  If so the resale market isn't
particularly good.
EatMe - 21 Dec 2005 15:53 GMT
I had to use mine on a 15 year old Protege when I picked up a nail.  It
was stored in the spare well in the trunk, no preservative or Rosary
beads in all that time and it was indifferently inflated.  I inflated
it to spec, mounted it on the car then drove 20 miles to work and back
with no problems.  This car lives in Dallas and Houston so it sees a
lot of heat in the trunk.
 
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