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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / January 2006see four-point sockets
four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) who makes them, who retails 'em? > four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) > > who makes them, who retails 'em? A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local Sears They sell 8 point, not 4 point sockets, perhaps that is why you cant find them. Regards Phredd >>four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) >> >>who makes them, who retails 'em? > > A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local Sears > They sell 8 point, not 4 point sockets, perhaps that is why you cant > find them. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local >> Sears Snap-on has them I got them as part of a set. never used them... Michelle Snap-on does indeed have them and they are 4 point (for those who insist that they don't exist). I have used them for years to remove filler plugs on manual transmissions and the like. Also work like a champ on square nuts used for fences. Dale Alexander > >>> four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) > >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Snap-on has them I got them as part of a set. never used them... > Michelle >> They sell 8 point, not 4 point sockets, perhaps that is why you cant >> find them. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Snap-on has them I got them as part of a set. never used them... >Michelle There were several sizes of square sockets supplied for adjusting brakes - Lockheed or Girling IIRC. My old Mini required one of them. Can't remember which other odball car I owned required another (different sized). The 8 poit Craftsman sockets worked if the adjusters were well lubed and not started to seize. > They sell 8 point, not 4 point sockets, perhaps that is why you cant > find them. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set. I'd check your local Sears Phredd sed: "perhaps that is why you cant find them" Just like I said "A couple sets came with my Craftsman 900 pc set". Alex seems to have the same set. Is there a problem? This has been going on for so long that I can't resist a "tool gloat". Two years ago I picked up at a fles market 3 new old stock 9 piece 1/2" drive 8 popint socket sets for $25. Don't bother they are all gone except for the one I kept. Chuck P. > This has been going on for so long that I can't resist a "tool gloat". > Two years ago I picked up at a fles market 3 new old stock 9 piece 1/2" > drive 8 popint socket sets for $25. Don't bother they are all gone > except for the one I kept. > > Chuck P. I ended up with a complete set of (as in every 8 point socket Craftsman makes) many years ago now. I have them all together on one of those 'socket rail' gimmicks hanging way up on the back edge of the peg board. I probably on average have a use for any of them every other year or so, but can recall them 'saving the day' a few times... mostly dealing with old square head lag bolts, and turning big 1/2" easy outs doing plumbing work. A good friend/neighbor had borrowed and used them more than I have, but doing the same kind of things. They're probably at least 30 plus years old now, and still look new... The 'lead in chamfers' are a bit excessive on most of them... seems every time I do use them I think I'd like to do something about that. Erik Many years ago, I bought a number of "square" sockets from Sear's discount tool bin. I think I paid a quarter each for them. Don't have the foggiest clue as to why I bought them - never have had a use for them. I guess the price (cheap) and the tool-affliction I was born with had something to do with it. Never have seen them since, although I have never really looked. Don't really shop at Sears very much any more. Got my last ones off the Snap-On truck. If you need them for running in taps or square headed set screws just use a 12 point. Between metric and SAE there always seems to be one that fits well enough. =============== Leon McAtee > four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) > > who makes them, who retails 'em? Never seen a 4 - they are generally made as 8 point, and everyone that made sockets from Craftsman on up had them a few decades back, though one sometimes had to special order them. Have not really been paying attention lately, I'd guess they might be a bit more limited in supply these days. Last time I needed one (~5 years ago), I got it over the counter at the local industrial supply house. Don't recall what brand it was. If you search for 8 rather than 4 point you'll probably find them...  SignatureCats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) > >who makes them, who retails 'em? For square headed nuts and bolts etc, they are not called "four point". They are called "8 point". Lots of companies make them, and lots more sell them. Google on "8 point sockets" (not "eight point sockets"), and right after Snap-on, it's Harbor Freight. Last set I bought was from a local distributor, made by Gray Tools. > four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) > > who makes them, who retails 'em? The *one* use I have for 12-point sockets is that they will also slip on the head of a 4-sided bolt or drain plug. Of course they don't have a great contact area (which is exactly the problem I have with 12-point sockets on 6-sided bolt heads and the reason I only buy 6-point sockets in general), but they often work better than a crescent or open-end wrench. Wright Tool used to make them, as well as a tool called a Bonney wrench, in several sizes. The 8-pointers are common from Craftsman. Heads-up: Craftsman has an industrial catalog with sometimes better pricing and many tools not available at the retail outlets. They are very coy about giving the catalogs out but usually the local A&P school has their 800 number. Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the 20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. SignatureStephen W. Hansen ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance ASE Undercar Specialist http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troubleshooting/l/bl_obd_main.htm http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/ > four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) > > who makes them, who retails 'em? Stephen wrote: >I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. Was your Dodge made by our friends south of the border? :^) (just joking) The Monk It was on the motor mount, I figured out it didn't have to come off anyways; but I was tempted to remove it anyways and put on a real one just to have that one. Looked like one of those practical joke tools. SignatureStephen W. Hansen ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance ASE Undercar Specialist http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troubleshooting/l/bl_obd_main.htm http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/ > Stephen wrote: >>I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. Where the hell did that come from. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The Monk > Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and > the 20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real > hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. > Where the hell did that come from. Oh, hell. I guess I had better get prepared for that! Where at (the bolt) and what year? SignatureJim in NC older Dodge Caravan (grand?) , but the round body style Late 90's I think 2.4 4cly, it held the upper motor mount together (pointing the same direction the cam did) Didn't actually have to remove it; and according to another tech it's a Chrysler special tool. I wouldn't buy a set yet! SignatureStephen W. Hansen ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance ASE Undercar Specialist http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troubleshooting/l/bl_obd_main.htm http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/ >> Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and >> the 20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Where at (the bolt) and what year? > older Dodge Caravan (grand?) , but the round body style Late 90's I think > 2.4 4cly, it held the upper motor mount together (pointing the same > direction the cam did) > Didn't actually have to remove it; and according to another tech it's a > Chrysler special tool. I wouldn't buy a set yet! Oh, the BF Vise grip tool, or the BFH and cold chisel? Sounds like what I would end up using! <g> Of course, then there is the fire ax or the sawz-all! SignatureJim in NC >> older Dodge Caravan (grand?) , but the round body style Late 90's I think >> 2.4 4cly, it held the upper motor mount together (pointing the same [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Of course, then there is the fire ax or the sawz-all! BF oxy acetylene, LF dremel :) What're BF, BFH and LF? The Monk > What're BF, BFH and LF? > > The Monk Well B is big, F is not for polite conversation, H is hammer, L is little. Hope this (F) helps :) It sure (F) cleared things up for me :^) The Monk >Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the >20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard >at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. >Where the hell did that come from. Probably needed a Torx socket. These are becoming more common slowly. I know that Briggs and Techumseh are using them on carb bolts now. Wayne Cook Shamrock, TX http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm >Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. >Where the hell did that come from. Fire hydrant ? Leatherman Multitools My wave has a 5 point security bit >>Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. >>Where the hell did that come from. > > Fire hydrant ? >>>Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. >>>Where the hell did that come from. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Leatherman Multitools >My wave has a 5 point security bit 5-point bolt heads (and other strange and wonderful fastener designs) are often found holding things closed that they don't want the average induhvidual off the street to get into, the Leatherman Tools are one good example They'll fix it for you for free if you send it back for service, so you don't need the special 5-point Tamper Torx driver. Controls unauthorized mods that could cause injuries. Or things that aren't supposed to come apart at that point, like those motor mounts. Sounds like that's for the 'backup bolt' on the mount, meant to keep the engine from falling totally out of the car if the rubber mount fails - and there's always some fool who will remove the bolt "To save weight" and then act surprised when the engine falls on the freeway at speed... (And then they'll sue the manufacturer of the 'defective' motor mount - and win. Look up "Chutzpah" in the dictionary.) Things like the lids of Power Utility manholes and handholes, where there are seriously hazardous voltages lurking inside... Which is the reason I need to get a few of those 5-point sockets, so when I get called out on an outage I can confirm whether or not it's dead in there. And secure the lid properly if someone else didn't. It's one of those "Kids, Don't Try This At Home!" things. Occasionally (two small associations we service) they tap HOA owned streetlight poles straight from the Edison handhole with a simple inline fuseholder and pay a flat-rate for the power - which is cheaper than installing a meter pedestal and paying the monthly minimum for a meter. And I very occasionally need to get in there and pull the fuse so I can work on the pole without the <ahem> excitement factor. I do my darnedest to make sparks only when I'm welding. On purpose type welding. With a MIG torch in my hand. Oh heck, you get it... ;-P --<< Bruce >>-- SignatureBruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545 Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net. That Makes sense. Steve >>>>Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut. >>>>Where the hell did that come from. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > --<< Bruce >>-- the other thing about specialist tools is a bit of a liability issue you CAN work around them but unless you know where and how to find the right tool to tear apart something that shouldnt be tampered with odds are you shouldnt be tampering with it you CAN rig up a manhole Lidlifter for example but there is a reason manholes are not easy to lift 12 feet underground in a flooded area that just been pumped with high voltage is not a friendly place for untrained people and thats just a telecom manhole let alone a sewer or hydro one. > That Makes sense. > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >> >> --<< Bruce >>-- >the other thing about specialist tools is a bit of a liability issue > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >you CAN rig up a manhole Lid lifter for example but there is a reason >manholes are not easy to lift Yeah - cause they're also really hard on your toes if you drop them. It's like a Rigger, you have to keep your feet out of the "No Zone". And steel-toes don't help at all if it's your ankle in the way. >12 feet underground in a flooded area that just been pumped with high >voltage is not a friendly place for untrained people and thats just a >telecom manhole let alone a sewer or hydro one. Actually, voltage concerns are not a big problem with telecom manholes - everything down there is Class 2 Current Limited. Some of the carrier circuits have 300V or more on them, but most is -48V DC. Bad air from oxygen depletion or hydrogen sulphide and explosive vapors are a much more imminent hazard, and all you need to do to get killed by them is climb inside without testing and ventilating the space first. I was a construction splicer for 8 years. Everything involved with telephones is bonded and grounded 47 ways from Sunday. The only holes we had to worry about power were ones located directly under the path of a high-tension transmission line, and they simply wanted us to keep the bonding straps connected at each cable end at all times, and hook up temporary grounds to the racking (instead of leaving them open for the day) and setup our work positions sitting on a rubber blanket with HV Lineman Gloves at the ready "just in case" we had to bail out in an emergency. --<< Bruce >>-- SignatureBruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545 Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net. > Bad air from oxygen depletion or hydrogen sulphide and explosive > vapors are a much more imminent hazard, and all you need to do to get > killed by them is climb inside without testing and ventilating the > space first. Yep, there is a reason you need a permit to climb down into such places. There are dangers that can kill, if you do not have the proper training. SignatureJim in NC You weren't trying to loosen the hood ornament were you? ;-) >Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the >20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> who makes them, who retails 'em? >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) > >who makes them, who retails 'em? Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" <:-)) I've never see a 4-pt socket, but open end wrences work well. Usually the bolt is of such quality you can plan on twisting it off rather then getting the nut off. Good luck, Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com > >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) > www.rogerhalstead.com I don't know about more modern cars, but on my old Studebakers there's quite a few pipe plugs that have square heads. nate According to Roger <Delete-Invallid.stuff.groups@tm.net>: > >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) > > > >who makes them, who retails 'em? > > Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" <:-)) If you check the headers, you will see that this is cross-posted to rec.crafts.metalworking and rec.autos.tech as well as your newsgroup. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- >According to Roger <Delete-Invallid.stuff.groups@tm.net>: >> >> >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) >> > >> >who makes them, who retails 'em? Taht takes a good "Monkey Wrench". I haven't ween one of those for years either. I think every really old Ford came with one. >> Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" <:-)) > > If you check the headers, you will see that this is cross-posted Headers? >to rec.crafts.metalworking and rec.autos.tech as well as your newsgroup. You must work on some really "old" cars<:-)) I Haven's seen farmer bolts since I quit farming wayyyy back in the early 60s. I figured there had to be a better way to make a living, or at least one more to my liking. Now I'm really paying for all those sun burns. Actually, the last wind mill tower I took apart had farmer bolts (the twist off type) holding it together. (last summer and yes, it was a very old tower) Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com > Enjoy, > DoN. >>According to Roger <Delete-Invallid.stuff.groups@tm.net>: >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Taht takes a good "Monkey Wrench". I haven't ween one of those for >years either. I think every really old Ford came with one. Good GAWD, I need a new keyboard, or should get a good night's sleep before trying to type. Either that or I should quit drinking Vernors while trying to type. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com >>>According to Roger <Delete-Invallid.stuff.groups@tm.net>: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) >www.rogerhalstead.com Chuckle..I have at least 3 monkey wrenchs in use in my shop. One an actual Stillson. I use them to tighten machine vises, not having the proper handle, etc etc Gunner The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power. Theodore Dalrymple, I USE "FARMER BOLTS' !!! And they're damn hard to find these days. Of course, I use 'em on a ship that was designed 103 years ago... I use 8-point sockets or a cresent wrench on them, but they're 10-32 & 1/4" and pretty easy to get at. Harry > >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) > > > >who makes them, who retails 'em? > > Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" <:-)) You have a few in your socket set. I had to remove a square head pipe plug so I put the 1/4" Allen driver bit into the ratchet and then put the 1/4" socket on it backwards so you are driving with the part that normally goes on the ratchet. It will work for 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" with the adapters in most socket sets. > >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) > www.rogerhalstead.com >four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches) >who makes them, who retails 'em? My craftsman tool set came with a few square sockets. I haven't checked, but I would assume that they also sell them individualy. --------------- Alex |
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