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I have a 2002 Chevy S10 Blazer, how do you get the center plug in & out on the driver side??? HELP... if I get the socket on the plug, but can not get the wrench on it. Go thru the fender well above the tire with a long extension, it's a PIA. >I have a 2002 Chevy S10 Blazer, how do you get the center plug in & out on > the driver side??? HELP... if I get the socket on the plug, but can not > get the wrench on it. If you remove the tire first and put it on a jack stand it makes it even easier. But yes, going through the fender well is the best way. ------------------------------------ http://www.carforums.net Auto Forums > Go thru the fender well above the tire with a long extension, it's a PIA. > >I have a 2002 Chevy S10 Blazer, how do you get the center plug in & out on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- xblazinlv <mike@carforums.net> wrote in article <1136871784.437818.26000@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>... > If you remove the tire first and put it on a jack stand it makes it > even easier. But yes, going through the fender well is the best way. Given Mike's past performances here, can you trust this advice????? Oh well, he got to SPAM his forum address again, so all is not lost......... > xblazinlv <mike@carforums.net> wrote in article > <1136871784.437818.26000@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Oh well, he got to SPAM his forum address again, so all is not lost......... Looks like he was right this time mr. peckerweed. In article <1136935624.671895.230580@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > > xblazinlv <mike@carforums.net> wrote in article > > <1136871784.437818.26000@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Looks like he was right this time mr. peckerweed. Actually, he wasn't. The steering shaft crosses directly in front of the #3 spark plug, going in thru the wheel well doesn't gain you squat, it's marginal if you snap the porcelain off, but you still have to install the new plug unmolested. If the question was about doing the #1 & #3 plug on a Astro/Safari van, he'd be close... Still waiting for Snappy to come thru with the part number I posted, he orders 6 at a time and sells 'em out before he stops on Monday morning, and I'm the one who tipped him off to the tool months before it was introduced. <shrug> > In article > <1136935624.671895.230580@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > on Monday morning, and I'm the one who tipped him off to the tool > months before it was introduced. <shrug> aarcuda69062 is exactly right, the steering shaft is the problem and this one plug is an SOB to change. I've had some luck with a regular 5/8's spark plug socket and an old long box end wrench. I wish Snapon had an image for that tool on their web site, I would like to see how it works. Larry Webb http://www.rovatune.com > I wish Snapon had an image for that tool on their web site, I would like > to see how it works. > > Larry Webb > http://www.rovatune.com Did a little digging; http://www.snapon.com/international/newproducts/pannouncedetail.as p?date=9/6/2005 Scroll down, bottom row on the left. If you click on the image, it will (should) download a PDF that shows it in action. > Go thru the fender well above the tire with a long extension, it's a PIA. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- damn shame. Thats how I had to do my 95 blazer. Both sides. Cant believe 7 freaking years later its still the same way. /me shakes head  SignatureThank you, CL Gilbert "Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16 > I have a 2002 Chevy S10 Blazer, how do you get the center plug in & out on > the driver side??? HELP... if I get the socket on the plug, but can not > get the wrench on it. Almost any transverse-mount "V" engine is going to be a PITA to change plugs. Sometimes you can reach a plug easier from under the car. I've got a Subaru now with a distributorless ignition for a horizontally opposed engine. That's going to require the removal of several parts, including the washer fluid resevoir to get access to the coil packs and plugs. I liked my two Acura Integras. The biggest pain was removing the cover over the wires. > > I have a 2002 Chevy S10 Blazer, how do you get the center plug in & out on > > the driver side??? HELP... if I get the socket on the plug, but can not > > get the wrench on it. > Almost any transverse-mount "V" engine is going to be a PITA to > change plugs. Sometimes you can reach a plug easier from under > the car. I've got a Subaru now with a distributorless ignition > for a horizontally opposed engine. That's going to require the > removal of several parts, including the washer fluid resevoir to > get access to the coil packs and plugs. > I liked my two Acura Integras. The biggest pain was removing > the cover over the wires. An S-10 Blazer does not have a transverse mounted engine. You go in through the wheel well to get that plug out. Or, a longer than stock spark plug socket with an open end wrench usually works too. Edward Strauss wrote: > > > I have a 2002 Chevy S10 Blazer, how do you get the center plug in & out on > > > the driver side??? HELP... if I get the socket on the plug, but can not [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > wheel well to get that plug out. Or, a longer than stock spark plug socket with > an open end wrench usually works too. Wasn't sure. Is it an inline-6? I seem to recall some GM trucks still use an inline-6. The 3800 Series II in my dad's Buick looks to be a real pain. As well as going through the wheel well; Break the porcelain end off; this will allow a socket in. Be creative; use a wrench on the end of the spark plug socket to break it loose. Other tricks too, but getting it out is always the hardest SignatureStephen W. Hansen ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance ASE Undercar Specialist http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troubleshooting/l/bl_obd_main.htm http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/ >I have a 2002 Chevy S10 Blazer, how do you get the center plug in & out on > the driver side??? HELP... if I get the socket on the plug, but can not > get the wrench on it. In article <3e74b06b60b422dac7d799b274eda097@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, > I have a 2002 Chevy S10 Blazer, how do you get the center plug in & out on > the driver side??? HELP... if I get the socket on the plug, but can not > get the wrench on it. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=hand&item_ID=760 28&group_ID=19832&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog > In article > <3e74b06b60b422dac7d799b274eda097@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, > > I have a 2002 Chevy S10 Blazer, how do you get the center plug in & out on > > the driver side??? HELP... if I get the socket on the plug, but can not > > get the wrench on it. > http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=hand&item_ID=760 > 28&group_ID=19832&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog While this would be nice to have it is simply not needed for for a DIY application. For a Dealership Tech. who has money to burn, maybe. Plenty get by without this everyday... That's funny that I'm wrong, given I had a blazer (which all of my fan club here on usenet always seem to throw in my face) and I've changed the spark plug in question through the fender well many times. But I guess I'm wrong, since 5 other people in this thread said to do the same thing as I did. I was only here to "spam my link" Get a life pal ------------------------------------ http://www.carforums.net Auto Forums > That's funny that I'm wrong, given I had a blazer (which all of my fan > club here on usenet always seem to throw in my face) and I've changed [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://www.carforums.net > Auto Forums I don't know what year your Blazer was but that's makes a big difference. Believe me, I do this for living and I work for myself, so if there is a faster easier way to do something, I'll try it. I do remove the back plug through the wheel well but the center one can't be accessed because of the steering shaft. Larry Webb http://www.rovatune.com In article <1136964651.025382.256990@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, > That's funny that I'm wrong, given I had a blazer Sample size of one. > (which all of my fan > club here on usenet always seem to throw in my face) and I've changed > the spark plug in question through the fender well many times. How many is many? I'll bet I've done that operation over 500 times, add Larry's experience and you're talking thousands of times. For all we know, the motor mounts were so sagged out on your Blazer that it -was- possible to do it thru the wheel well, but that doesn't mean it's possible or even plausible for the majority of vehicle needing service out there. > But I guess I'm wrong, since 5 other people in this thread said to do the > same thing as I did. I was only here to "spam my link" You need to pay closer attention to what is posted to usenet junior, not a day goes by where someone doesn't f.ck up a DIY job and then post here or to other groups looking for the solution. I could care less if you spam your link, matter of fact, it just shows that by your presence here, there is nothing there. > Get a life pal I have a life and I'm not your pal. Edward Strauss wrote: > > In article > > <3e74b06b60b422dac7d799b274eda097@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > application. For a Dealership Tech. who has money to burn, maybe. Plenty > get by without this everyday... Exactly...even before I swapped the headers on the blazer for the turbo setup, I was still able to change that plug without any fancy tools. Don't get me wrong, it was a pain in the a.s, but it is possible. ------------------------------------ http://www.carforums.net Auto Forums In article <1136965518.658746.5450@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > Exactly...even before I swapped the headers on the blazer for the turbo > setup, I was still able to change that plug without any fancy tools. No sh.t genius, what do you suppose has been happening for the last 16 years? > Don't get me wrong, it was a pain in the a.s, but it is possible. And the point that both of you are missing is that the original poster is looking for a less "pain in the a.s" solution. I showed him the solution, YOU didn't/wouldn't have a clue where to look (which is right in line with most of your other posts). My blazer was a 2002 as well, and yes your way was easier if he wanted to buy a tool. :) Good thread, glad he got advice instead of completely targeting me. xblazinlv <mike@carforums.net> wrote in article <1137014241.110422.195770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>... > My blazer was a 2002 as well, and yes your way was easier if he wanted > to buy a tool. :) > > Good thread, glad he got advice instead of completely targeting me. You're slipping!!!!! You forgot to SPAM your POS website!!!!!!!!! Whoops sorry :) ------------------------------------ Mike Mangione http://www.carforums.net > > In article > > <3e74b06b60b422dac7d799b274eda097@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > application. For a Dealership Tech. who has money to burn, maybe. Plenty > get by without this everyday... Then the original poster doesn't have a problem, right? And what makes you think that a dealership tech has money to burn? If 29 dollars is a lot of money, for you it always will be. > > > In article > > > <3e74b06b60b422dac7d799b274eda097@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > application. For a Dealership Tech. who has money to burn, maybe. Plenty > > get by without this everyday... > Then the original poster doesn't have a problem, right? > And what makes you think that a dealership tech has money to burn? > If 29 dollars is a lot of money, for you it always will be. Opinion, opinion ,opinion. This tool became available fall 2005. How were these plugs changed before then?? If a company needs to invent a tool before you can complete a task you are the one with the problem. The OP does have a problem. He's come into a situation he is not sure about. I made suggestions on how he could do it without finding a Snap-On dealer. Read the thread. I did not say that all Dealership Techs have money to burn. It is not worth it to me to spend $30.00 to change one plug on one engine type. Especially since I have been getting by fine without it all these years. If you need these type things, buy it. But, do not limit other peoples ability to do things by your own... > > > > In article > > > > <3e74b06b60b422dac7d799b274eda097@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Opinion, opinion ,opinion. You really DO overuse that word. > This tool became available fall 2005. How were > these plugs changed before then?? With a 5/8" spark plug socket that had a hex on the drive end, but it had to be of exact length. Too long and you couldn't fish it in/out of there, too short and the hex would be buried not allowing one to get a wrench on it. > If a company needs to invent a tool before > you can complete a task you are the one with the problem. First of all, I have never been unable to complete this task, but having it will sure reduce the time needed and lessen the risk of cracking a spark plug. Second, tools are invented every day to allow one to complete a task. > The OP does have > a problem. He's come into a situation he is not sure about. I made > suggestions > on how he could do it without finding a Snap-On dealer. He doesn't need to -find- a Snap-On dealer, he can order the tool online. And since I was able to find and post a link to a picture of the tool and how it's used, he's free to fabricate his own should he so choose. > Read the thread. I > did not say that all Dealership Techs have money to burn. It is not worth it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > things, > buy it. I will. I know that the tool will make me money, increase productivity and reduce the chance for a comeback. As far as you "getting by fine all these years," bit of a misnomer don't you think considering that you had to ask how it was done before the tool was released for sale in fall 2005. > But, do not limit other peoples ability to do things by your own... Funny Ed. Go back, check who it was that was asking for help/advice. > > > > > In article > > > > > <3e74b06b60b422dac7d799b274eda097@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > Opinion, opinion ,opinion. > You really DO overuse that word. And you do think that your opinion is the only way. > > This tool became available fall 2005. How were > > these plugs changed before then?? > With a 5/8" spark plug socket that had a hex on the drive end, > but it had to be of exact length. Too long and you couldn't fish > it in/out of there, too short and the hex would be buried not > allowing one to get a wrench on it. Exactly what I explained in my first reply. > > If a company needs to invent a tool before > > you can complete a task you are the one with the problem. > First of all, I have never been unable to complete this task, but > having it will sure reduce the time needed and lessen the risk of > cracking a spark plug. > Second, tools are invented every day to allow one to complete a > task. It might reduce the time for the inexperienced but, anyone can break a plug. Tools are invented all the time. Does that mean we have to rush out and buy them? > > The OP does have > > a problem. He's come into a situation he is not sure about. I made > > suggestions > > on how he could do it without finding a Snap-On dealer. > He doesn't need to -find- a Snap-On dealer, he can order the tool > online. And since I was able to find and post a link to a > picture of the tool and how it's used, he's free to fabricate his > own should he so choose. Or to use another way. > > Read the thread. I > > did not say that all Dealership Techs have money to burn. It is not worth it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > things, > > buy it. > I will. I know that the tool will make me money, increase > productivity and reduce the chance for a comeback. > As far as you "getting by fine all these years," bit of a > misnomer don't you think considering that you had to ask how it > was done before the tool was released for sale in fall 2005. I knew how it was done. Read my first reply. How will this tool reduce the chance of a "comeback"? Magic tool??? > > But, do not limit other peoples ability to do things by your own... > Funny Ed. Go back, check who it was that was asking for > help/advice. Funny is that this is the best you can come up with. Since you won't read my first reply to this topic I'll repost it below. After you read it you need to think: This person wants to get a set of plugs in his vehicle. Does he want to sit down and order a tool off the Internet, wait for it to arrive and then finally get his plugs in or, does this person just want some advice to help him through this problem? From news.Virginia.EDU!not-for-mail Fri Jan 13 01:21:22 2006 Path: news.Virginia.EDU!not-for-mail From: Edward Strauss <es8m@Virginia.EDU> Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech Subject: Re: Change spark plug Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 23 Sender: Edward Strauss <es8m@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU> Message-ID: <dpvibt$be2$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> References: <3e74b06b60b422dac7d799b274eda097@localhost.talkaboutautos.com> <X5Gwf.3490$WY5.252@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: holmes.acc.virginia.edu X-Trace: murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU 1136872637 11714 128.143.12.45 (10 Jan 2006 05:57:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@Virginia.EDU NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:57:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970731; AIX 5.3] Xref: news.Virginia.EDU rec.autos.tech:608562 y_p_w <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote: > bluemarble wrote: > > I have a 2002 Chevy S10 Blazer, how do you get the center plug in & out on > > the driver side??? HELP... if I get the socket on the plug, but can not > > get the wrench on it. > Almost any transverse-mount "V" engine is going to be a PITA to > change plugs. Sometimes you can reach a plug easier from under > the car. I've got a Subaru now with a distributorless ignition > for a horizontally opposed engine. That's going to require the > removal of several parts, including the washer fluid resevoir to > get access to the coil packs and plugs. > I liked my two Acura Integras. The biggest pain was removing > the cover over the wires. An S-10 Blazer does not have a transverse mounted engine. You go in through the wheel well to get that plug out. Or, a longer than stock spark plug socket with an open end wrench usually works too. Edward Strauss wrote: Edward, >It might reduce the time for the inexperienced but, anyone can break >plug. > I knew how it was done. Read my first reply. How will this tool reduce the chance of a "comeback"? Magic tool??? You answered your "Comeback" question yourself - "anyone can break plug". A DIY'er (and experienced tech) could crack the porcelain, especially on a plug with difficult access (have you priced AC Platinum plugs lately). This can cause an intermittent misfire that's not easy to find. Bottom line for me with this whole Change spark plug post is, if you're comfortable with your current method of plug removal - fine but a DIY'er could easily pay for a $29 tool by doing one plug change. Larry > > > Opinion, opinion ,opinion. > > > You really DO overuse that word. > > And you do think that your opinion is the only way. Nope, never came close to even suggesting that it was. Your claim doesn't even come close considering that I haven't yet described the three different ways I can think of off the top of my head that resolves the OPs problem of getting the #3 spark plug out and in undamaged. > > > This tool became available fall 2005. How were > > > these plugs changed before then?? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Exactly what I explained in my first reply. Okay, so how is your explanation to go get a longer spark plug socket any different than my recommendation of procuring a tool specifically designed to address the problem he's encountering? Please, address it from the stand point(s) of: Cost Time spent doing the task Likelyhood of the job not being botched > > > If a company needs to invent a tool before > > > you can complete a task you are the one with the problem. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It might reduce the time for the inexperienced but, anyone can break a plug. It will reduce the time for the experienced also. Are you at all familiar with the space constraints involved here or are you just parroting what the others with sketchy recollections have said? > Tools are invented all the time. Does that mean we have to rush out and buy > them? Only if it's a good idea. remember, you recommended tha he buy a longer spark plug socket. Newsflash, he isn't likely to find it at Sears, Ace Hardware, Home Depot, Lowes or anywhere else besides a tool truck. > > > The OP does have > > > a problem. He's come into a situation he is not sure about. I made [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Or to use another way. As you said, buy a longer spark plug socket, the likely candidate costing around $25.00, and he'll still have just 1/4" space to manipulate it in. What fun! > > > Read the thread. I > > > did not say that all Dealership Techs have money to burn. It is not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I knew how it was done. Read my first reply. How will this tool reduce the > chance of a "comeback"? Magic tool??? Yes "magic tool." Just so you know, a standard length 5/8" spark plug socket is 2 3/8" long, once maneuvered onto the #3 spark plug (with two fingers if lucky) the hex end will be below the level of the heat shield that surrounds the left side exhaust manifold, meaning that it's worthless for getting a wrench on and since there is only .700 inch space out to the steering shaft, ratchet and breaker bar are out also. The next longer available 5/8" spark plug socket is 2 7/8" long and -does- project the hex outside the heat shield, -but- he'll have to break the spark plug off to get it on because of the lack of clearance to the steering shaft, which means he won't be able to use it to install the new plug. Catch-22, obvious to anyone who's ever worked on an S chassis with a 4.3. > > > But, do not limit other peoples ability to do things by your own... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Funny is that this is the best you can come up with. Since you won't read my > first reply to this topic I'll repost it below. Ed, don't confuse the fact that I didn't reply to your half baked solution to my not having read it. You suggested a "longer than stock spark plug socket." Okay, where does he get one? What manufacturer? What part number? Seems to me he could have easily wasted as much time or more chasing around looking for a socket that likely isn't available as common stock as he would ordering the special tool from Snap-On. Either way, he's going to spend money which is (strangely) what YOU recommended and are also carping about. Oh, BTW, the only correct information in your first reply was that the engine is not a transverse mount. A factoid that the OP probably already knew. > After you read it you need to think: This person wants to get a set of plugs > in his vehicle. And I'd say it's safe to assume that he would like them to function better than the old ones and he'd prefer keeping blood loss to a minimum. > Does he want to sit down and order a tool off the Internet, wait for > it to > arrive and then finally get his plugs in or, does this person just want some > advice > to help him through this problem? Not being prepared and having the tools and skills is -his- problem. McDonalds mentality at it's finest, I want it now damn it! Looks like he as two choices; order the/a tool and spend about the same as your recommendation or; Learn to think past the end of his nose and replace the spark plug with what he has on hand. > > > > Opinion, opinion ,opinion. > > > > > You really DO overuse that word. > > > > And you do think that your opinion is the only way. > Nope, never came close to even suggesting that it was. > Your claim doesn't even come close considering that I haven't yet > described the three different ways I can think of off the top of > my head that resolves the OPs problem of getting the #3 spark > plug out and in undamaged. So why haven't you suggest them instead of trying to be a preacher? > > > > > This tool became available fall 2005. How were [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > Exactly what I explained in my first reply. > Okay, so how is your explanation to go get a longer spark plug > socket any different than my recommendation of procuring a tool [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Time spent doing the task > Likelyhood of the job not being botched Not knowing what tools he has or can borrow the cost could be zero. Don't know his skill. You don't know any of this either. > > > > > If a company needs to invent a tool before [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > It might reduce the time for the inexperienced but, anyone can break a plug. > It will reduce the time for the experienced also. > Are you at all familiar with the space constraints involved here > or are you just parroting what the others with sketchy > recollections have said? I know about the space issue and am completely aware of people who like to talk an issue to death instead of actually doing it. > > Tools are invented all the time. Does that mean we have to rush out and buy > > them? > Only if it's a good idea. remember, you recommended tha he buy a > longer spark plug socket. Newsflash, he isn't likely to find it > at Sears, Ace Hardware, Home Depot, Lowes or anywhere else > besides a tool truck. I did not recommend he buy anything. I gave my opinion on what I would do. Do you always make stuff up as you go along? I guess it's easier for you to generate words this way... > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > Or to use another way. > As you said, buy a longer spark plug socket, the likely candidate > costing around $25.00, and he'll still have just 1/4" space to > manipulate it in. What fun! You should buy him one since you are the one making this part up. > > > > Read the thread. I > > > > did not say that all Dealership Techs have money to burn. It is not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I knew how it was done. Read my first reply. How will this tool reduce the > > chance of a "comeback"? Magic tool??? > Yes "magic tool." > Just so you know, a standard length 5/8" spark plug socket is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Catch-22, obvious to anyone who's ever worked on an S chassis > with a 4.3. Why do you even bother writing this nonsense? Plugs have been removed and installed on these vehicles for years now. If you don't know how to do it say so. Making believe that it cannot be done except for you way is quite sad. > > > > But, do not limit other peoples ability to do things by your own... > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Funny is that this is the best you can come up with. Since you won't read my > > first reply to this topic I'll repost it below. > Ed, don't confuse the fact that I didn't reply to your half baked > solution to my not having read it. You suggested a "longer than [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > that the engine is not a transverse mount. A factoid that the OP > probably already knew. He will only spend money if he wants to. > > After you read it you need to think: This person wants to get a set of plugs > > in his vehicle. > And I'd say it's safe to assume that he would like them to > function better than the old ones and he'd prefer keeping blood > loss to a minimum. More opinion. I don't think you know what his goal is. > > Does he want to sit down and order a tool off the Internet, wait for > > it to > > arrive and then finally get his plugs in or, does this person just want some > > advice > > to help him through this problem? > Not being prepared and having the tools and skills is -his- > problem. McDonalds mentality at it's finest, I want it now damn [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Learn to think past the end of his nose and replace the spark > plug with what he has on hand. Or if he wants to spend $30.00 and get the job done fast I don't expect it will be very hard to find someone to put one plug in for $30.00. This problem has been around longer than you think. Over 20 years ago people use to cry about putting plugs in V8 Monzas. The same short, bent 5/8 box end wrenches that worked on them work fine now. Using Google you might even find a special tool for them... > So why haven't you suggest them instead of trying to be a preacher? <clear old text> > Not knowing what tools he has or can borrow the cost could be zero. > Don't know his skill. > You don't know any of this either. Look Ed, that's at least the second time in this thread that you've answered your own question. > > It will reduce the time for the experienced also. > > Are you at all familiar with the space constraints involved here > > or are you just parroting what the others with sketchy > > recollections have said? > > I know about the space issue Were that the truth, you'd have made a specific recommendation other than "a longer socket." > and am completely aware of people who like to > talk an issue to death instead of actually doing it. Interesting, referring to yourself in the third person... > > Only if it's a good idea. remember, you recommended tha he buy a > > longer spark plug socket. Newsflash, he isn't likely to find it > > at Sears, Ace Hardware, Home Depot, Lowes or anywhere else > > besides a tool truck. > > I did not recommend he buy anything. Normally, when someone doesn't have something, they need to purchase it. Borrowing a tool would have been self evident to the OP if he had that option. > I gave my opinion on what I would do. Except that he obviously didn't have that option. > Do you always make stuff up as you go along? I guess it's easier for you to > generate words this way... You gonna cry now? > > As you said, buy a longer spark plug socket, the likely candidate > > costing around $25.00, and he'll still have just 1/4" space to > > manipulate it in. What fun! > > You should buy him one since you are the one making this part up. I see. In your world, these things just fall out of the sky. or, are you claiming that I'm making the 1/4 inch part up? Careful now, I took those measurements off a late model Jimmy yesterday morning. Sorry Ed, arguing semantics isn't putting you ahead. > > Yes "magic tool." > > Just so you know, a standard length 5/8" spark plug socket is [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > installed > on these vehicles for years now. If you don't know how to do it say so. Indeed they have. Your method probably wasn't an option for him since he didn't have a longer socket, the other options went unmentioned by you once you became involved in raising the signal to noise ratio, so I strongly suspect that you have no other solutions to offer. > Making believe > that it cannot be done except for you way is quite sad. Go ahead, tell him how to do it with the socket he has on hand. It's quite simple you know... > > Ed, don't confuse the fact that I didn't reply to your half baked > > solution to my not having read it. You suggested a "longer than > > stock spark plug socket." Okay, where does he get one? What > > manufacturer? What part number? <sound of crickets chirping> > > Seems to me he could have easily wasted as much time or more > > chasing around looking for a socket that likely isn't available [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > He will only spend money if he wants to. Shame it took this long for you to finally 'get it.' > > And I'd say it's safe to assume that he would like them to > > function better than the old ones and he'd prefer keeping blood > > loss to a minimum. > > More opinion. I don't think you know what his goal is. Really? I thought his goal was quite clearly stated in his original post. > > Not being prepared and having the tools and skills is -his- > > problem. McDonalds mentality at it's finest, I want it now damn [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Or if he wants to spend $30.00 and get the job done fast I don't expect > it will be very hard to find someone to put one plug in for $30.00. So, your solution is to open the Yellow Pages? Ah yes, the sweet smell of back pedal. > This problem has been around longer than you think. This is rich... > Over 20 years ago > people use to cry about putting plugs in V8 Monzas. Yes, yes Ed. Did that job many times while those vehicles were under warranty/past warranty. Don't remember the crying part though since V-8 Monzas were not all -that- difficult. > The same short, > bent 5/8 box end wrenches that worked on them work fine now. It's probably a safe bet that the OP doesn't have any "short bent 5/8 box wrenches either, or he wouldn't have posted his question. <duh> And what's up with the story change? > Using Google > you might even find a special tool for them... Why Google? I already pointed him to the special tool. Good god, you're thick. > This problem has been around longer than you think. This is rich... > > Over 20 years ago people use to cry about putting plugs in V8 >> Monzas. The so called Monza V8 problem was a hoax perpetrated by shops/dealers that wanted to make more money or mechanics that weren't inventive enough to figure an easier way to change the plugs. I used to like working on them and when the word got out that I didn't charge more, I did quite a few. Larry http://www.rovatune.com > > This problem has been around longer than you think. This is rich... > > > Over 20 years ago people use to cry about putting plugs in V8 >> > Monzas. > The so called Monza V8 problem was a hoax perpetrated by shops/dealers > that wanted to make more money or mechanics that weren't inventive > enough to figure an easier way to change the plugs. I used to like > working on them and when the word got out that I didn't charge more, I > did quite a few. > Larry > http://www.rovatune.com I believe it. Never had a problem. Like anything else once you figure it out it's all downhill... > > So why haven't you suggest them instead of trying to be a preacher? > <clear old text> > > Not knowing what tools he has or can borrow the cost could be zero. > > Don't know his skill. > > You don't know any of this either. > Look Ed, that's at least the second time in this thread that > you've answered your own question. Nope, It is the second time you choose to write this. > > > It will reduce the time for the experienced also. > > > Are you at all familiar with the space constraints involved here > > > or are you just parroting what the others with sketchy > > > recollections have said? > > > > I know about the space issue > Were that the truth, you'd have made a specific recommendation > other than "a longer socket." And did you tell him how to use your magic tool? You must be very bored. > > and am completely aware of people who like to > > talk an issue to death instead of actually doing it. > Interesting, referring to yourself in the third person... Whats interested is you still talking the issue to death. > > > Only if it's a good idea. remember, you recommended tha he buy a > > > longer spark plug socket. Newsflash, he isn't likely to find it > > > at Sears, Ace Hardware, Home Depot, Lowes or anywhere else > > > besides a tool truck. > > > > I did not recommend he buy anything. > Normally, when someone doesn't have something, they need to > purchase it. Borrowing a tool would have been self evident to > the OP if he had that option. I take it as being that the OP wanted advice. You have never borrowed anything? Are you claimging to know the state of mind of the OP? > > I gave my opinion on what I would do. > Except that he obviously didn't have that option. And you were there? > > Do you always make stuff up as you go along? I guess it's easier for you to > > generate words this way... > You gonna cry now? Keep generating. > > > As you said, buy a longer spark plug socket, the likely candidate > > > costing around $25.00, and he'll still have just 1/4" space to > > > manipulate it in. What fun! > > > > You should buy him one since you are the one making this part up. > I see. In your world, these things just fall out of the sky. > or, are you claiming that I'm making the 1/4 inch part up? > Careful now, I took those measurements off a late model Jimmy > yesterday morning. Nothing to be careful of in any shape or form. > Sorry Ed, arguing semantics isn't putting you ahead. I'm not aware that points are being awarded. > > > Yes "magic tool." > > > Just so you know, a standard length 5/8" spark plug socket is [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > installed > > on these vehicles for years now. If you don't know how to do it say so. > Indeed they have. Your method probably wasn't an option for him > since he didn't have a longer socket, the other options went > unmentioned by you once you became involved in raising the signal > to noise ratio, so I strongly suspect that you have no other > solutions to offer. Your solution is to post a link. Is that what the OP asked for? > > Making believe > > that it cannot be done except for you way is quite sad. > Go ahead, tell him how to do it with the socket he has on hand. > It's quite simple you know... And what socket does he have? > > > Ed, don't confuse the fact that I didn't reply to your half baked > > > solution to my not having read it. You suggested a "longer than > > > stock spark plug socket." Okay, where does he get one? What > > > manufacturer? What part number? > <sound of crickets chirping> They make medicine for that. > > > Seems to me he could have easily wasted as much time or more > > > chasing around looking for a socket that likely isn't available [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > He will only spend money if he wants to. > Shame it took this long for you to finally 'get it.' More opinion, he probably got his plugs in by now... > > > And I'd say it's safe to assume that he would like them to > > > function better than the old ones and he'd prefer keeping blood > > > loss to a minimum. > > > > More opinion. I don't think you know what his goal is. > Really? I thought his goal was quite clearly stated in his > original post. His goal was to get as much info as possible on his problem. People ask questions on newsgroups usually to get more than one opinion. > > > Not being prepared and having the tools and skills is -his- > > > problem. McDonalds mentality at it's finest, I want it now damn [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Or if he wants to spend $30.00 and get the job done fast I don't expect > > it will be very hard to find someone to put one plug in for $30.00. > So, your solution is to open the Yellow Pages? > Ah yes, the sweet smell of back pedal. That was not in my original reply to the OP. You just might be running out of words. > > > This problem has been around longer than you think. > This is rich... So is Snap-On. > > Over 20 years ago > > people use to cry about putting plugs in V8 Monzas. > Yes, yes Ed. Did that job many times while those vehicles were > under warranty/past warranty. Don't remember the crying part > though since V-8 Monzas were not all -that- difficult. Neither are Blazers. > > The same short, > > bent 5/8 box end wrenches that worked on them work fine now. > It's probably a safe bet that the OP doesn't have any "short bent > 5/8 box wrenches either, or he wouldn't have posted his question. > <duh> > And what's up with the story change? How would you know what he has? The only story involved is the one you drag out. The Op already got my opinion. What is your story? > > Using Google > > you might even find a special tool for them... > Why Google? I already pointed him to the special tool. > Good god, you're thick. Hmm... A person asks for help you give them a link. I'll be "thick" anyday... {Spark plug drollery] Not in the interest of the OP, but rather a cheap laugh: Noone has suggested shorter plugs yet. Toyota MDT in MO |
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