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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / January 2006where to get Carter AFB parts?
I have a booklet that was faxed from Federal-Mogul regarding tuning of an AFB carburetor; it includes lots of helpful part numbers for things like a replacement set of linkages and such like. The problem is that Carter seems to have pretty much closed up shop except for selling fuel pumps, and Edelbrock doesn't list any of this stuff on their web site. Am I SOL and should I just suck it up and buy a brand new carb? (and hope that I never lose any of the little pieces) nate  Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel Nate try carburetion.com, but they do seem expensive, is this on a Mopar? >I have a booklet that was faxed from Federal-Mogul regarding tuning of an >AFB carburetor; it includes lots of helpful part numbers for things like a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > nate No, Stude 289... not going for "correct" just "works well." I've got a 600 CFM unit that was originally manual choke; it seems too rich for the car and maybe too big as well. Another 600 CFM unit with no linkages; I think that may have been electric (I think this is the one I stole the choke from for the other carb) but I will have to check the numbers. Also a small 60's Buick carb that was running great until I nailed it; now it is flooding badly (dirt?) I kitted it but it still won't behave. I'm starting to reach the point of ultimate frustration; I was hoping I could get the two 600 CFM units together and working so I could sell them and use the proceeds to buy a 500 CFM Edelbrock... nate > Nate try carburetion.com, but they do seem expensive, is this on a Mopar? > >I have a booklet that was faxed from Federal-Mogul regarding tuning of an [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- > I have a booklet that was faxed from Federal-Mogul regarding tuning of > an AFB carburetor; it includes lots of helpful part numbers for things [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > nate anyone...? I've got a perfectly good looking 600CFM Carter laying around simply because I bought it to steal the linkages off of it... would really like to see if it is any good... nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > anyone...? 800-945-CARB, the Old Carb Doctor http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8028953976 (this particular auction doesn't apply, but whatchya wanna bet he's got what you need?) http://www.thecarburetorshop.com (dig through this site; they have new carbs and tons of cores and parts...even a collection of TRS-80 computer equipment for sale.) http://www.carbsonly.com/ (another place with lots of carbs and parts -- they also carry the best electric choke conversion kits.) http://www.nardek.com.au/Carter.htm (Jets, rods, chokes, floats...) http://www.daytonaparts.com/ (More carbs, parts and kits) Beat the bushes. Check Ebay. This stuff isn't "walk into Pep Boys" easy to find, but it ain't all that *hard* to find, either. DS > I've got a perfectly good looking 600CFM Carter laying around simply because > I bought it to steal the linkages off of it... would really like to see if > it is any good... > > nate >> anyone...? > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > DS That's disappointing... I was hoping to be able to avoid paying "vintage parts" prices for this stuff since it's still current (they're going to be making some more Edelbrock Performers today, no doubt.) Whatever happened to Carter anyway? I stopped paying attention for a couple years and they seem to have closed up shop and turned out the lights. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel Edelbrock bought them out, I replied with similar stuff Dan found, never made it to the forum, though. Prices are crazy, one site had jets and m'rods for 9.95/pair? >>> anyone...? >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > nate <snip list of sources> > That's disappointing. You're welcome. ;-) > I was hoping to be able to avoid paying "vintage parts" prices Drive a vintage car, pay vintage-parts prices. Drive a new car, pay new-car prices. Only if you drive a 15-year-old beater can you expect to pay cheap prices for parts. > Whatever happened to Carter anyway? Fuel systems division was broken up and sold off quite some years ago; "Carter" really only survives in name in most of the automotive world, but Edelbrock does make the new AFBs. I wish they'd bring out some new AVSs! > <snip list of sources> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Drive a vintage car, pay vintage-parts prices. > Drive a new car, pay new-car prices. It just frosts my cookies that Carter was so good at making the little pieces parts available and Edelbrock seems to have more of the attitude that you should just buy a whole new carb and be happy about it. It shouldn't be too hard to just pull three little rods out of the boxes and blister pack 'em (like Carter used to) but they don't seem to care. The only parts listed on their web site (not counting adapters, fuel line fittings, etc.) are the jet and rod kits and rebuild kits. Lose a hard part, you're scrod. > Only if you drive a 15-year-old beater can you expect to pay cheap prices > for parts. Um... I drive an 18 year old beater, and the prices are ludicrous! (um, well, it is a Porsche...) > > Whatever happened to Carter anyway? > > Fuel systems division was broken up and sold off quite some years ago; > "Carter" really only survives in name in most of the automotive world, but > Edelbrock does make the new AFBs. I wish they'd bring out some new AVSs! They do, it's called the "Thunder Series." I am going back and forth whether I want to be the guinea pig and see if the vaunted AVS will actually work on a Stude engine or not. Probably not; I really need to get *something* driveable. The Porsche is still in the (well, yet another) shop having the drivetrain vibration checked out - at least this shop is taking it seriously, but they haven't figured it out yet. If I can get a good working carb on the Stude, I can at least drive that, as it has all the basics (lights, wipers, heater - and not much else) unless there's something else broken that I just haven't found yet (likely, considering the way this car has been fighting me every step of the way...) nate >><snip list of sources> >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > shouldn't be too hard to just pull three little rods out of the boxes > and blister pack 'em (like Carter used to) but they don't seem to care. To be honest, my hunch is that Carter sold very few of those "tube" packaged rod sets compared to their complete strip kit. The strip kit is just a much better deal, and Edelbrock sells those. > The only parts listed on their web site (not counting adapters, fuel > line fittings, etc.) are the jet and rod kits and rebuild kits. Lose a > hard part, you're scrod. If you go into most speed shops, you can find quite a few "kit" style parts for Edelbrock carbs. Accelerator pump pistons, check valves, choke kits, etc. I'm not really sure what "hard parts" you're looking for, but I don't ever remember being able to buy linkages and such for ANY carb very easily. > >><snip list of sources> > >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I don't ever remember being able to buy linkages and such for ANY carb > very easily. Well, my immediate concern is the little rods that connect the primaries to the secondaries, and the various pieces that make the choke work (not the electric choke kit, the rods between the fast idle cam and the choke plate shaft etc.) I actually have a Carter part number for a "linkage kit" containing all of the stuff I'm looking for; just can't find anywhere to use it to buy stuff. I don't know why, but I seem to be able to find perfectly good looking carbs at swap meets missing "just one or two pieces" for dirt cheap, but then when I go to rob the same piece from a nasty, rusty old mess of a carb that's laying in the junk pile, that piece is invariably a different version that won't fit. Oh, yeah, "speed shop?" I wish... Pep Boys is the closest thing I have to a local speed shop, but in their defense (am I defending Pep Boys? Who are those four scary looking dudes on horseback anyway?) they do seem to stock a decent amount of Edelbrock AFB-related stuff, so I ASSume if Edelbrock sold what I needed I could order it through them. All the carbs I'm trying to work on are last-gen aftermarket AFBs, so there shouldn't be any issues with Edelbrock stuff not fitting. nate > Drive a vintage car, pay vintage-parts prices. > Drive a new car, pay new-car prices. Thppp. That's true, but prices for most parts for my '66 are a helluva lot cheaper than for the same parts for a 2000 model vehicle! >> Whatever happened to Carter anyway? > > Fuel systems division was broken up and sold off quite some years ago; > "Carter" really only survives in name in most of the automotive world, > but Edelbrock does make the new AFBs. I wish they'd bring out some new > AVSs! Have you been shining E-code headlamps in your eyes again? :-p http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/carbs_acc/thunder.shtml :-) Now what I wish is that they'd stop charging a >$100 premium over the AFB for the AVS.... > > Drive a vintage car, pay vintage-parts prices. > > Drive a new car, pay new-car prices. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Now what I wish is that they'd stop charging a >$100 premium over the > AFB for the AVS.... yeah, it looks like almost exactly the same carb, too, except for the, um, secondary air valve. Maybe he meant Thermoquad? I've heard good things about them, but my only experience with one has been doing exactly nothing to the one on my dad's old Scout. It does "leak down" when it sits; you need to throw a capful of gasoline down the throat to get it started, but then again, it's basically a big tractor at this point (hasn't been street legal, due to rust, in a decade or more) so that's not a big enough problem to actually warrant any attention. nate >>>Drive a vintage car, pay vintage-parts prices. >>>Drive a new car, pay new-car prices. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > my dad's old Scout. It does "leak down" when it sits; you need to > throw a capful of gasoline down the throat to get it started, Since you mention the Scout, I assume all of the above refers to the TQ. I run a TQ on my 73 Satellite- and I love the thing. The "leak-down" is probably just the main jet well X-section O-rings leaking- pretty common with age. A kit would fix that. The only negative thing about TQs is that they demand a gentle touch when you take them apart and put them back together. 99.999% of the "failures" with them were due to people acting like gorillas when "fixing" them. You can do that to an AFB, but not a TQ.... >>> but Edelbrock does make the new AFBs. I wish they'd bring out some new >>> AVSs! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Maybe he meant Thermoquad? Naw, I just didn't know they were marketing AVSs. (What I really want is a *small* AVS. Something around 400cfm.) New Thermoquads, big and small, would also be nice. I'd also like to win the lottery. And live in the Pacific Northwest. In a house with a giant, fully-equipped, heated and cooled workshop. And a big hot tub. >>>> but Edelbrock does make the new AFBs. I wish they'd bring out some >>>> new AVSs! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > the lottery. And live in the Pacific Northwest. In a house with a giant, > fully-equipped, heated and cooled workshop. And a big hot tub. Well, the girlie is trying to convince me to move out there as well... interested in starting a combination lighting/hot rod shop? <G> nate (only half kidding, really, DC gets old after a while) Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >>>> but Edelbrock does make the new AFBs. I wish they'd bring out some >>>> new AVSs! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Naw, I just didn't know they were marketing AVSs. (What I really want is > a *small* AVS. Something around 400cfm.) Son of a f**king b***h! I *just now* opened up the Jeg's catalog that came in the box with my wheel spacers that just showed up today. There's an AVS on the cover with "BRAND NEW!" in bold letters underneath. Flipping to the page noted, there's a 500 CFM version that isn't in my old catalog. I JUST TWO DAYS AGO bought a near-new 500 CFM AFB off fleaBay. It hasn't even shown up yet. The prices in the catalog for the AFBs are going down, too... Goddammit. Oh well, maybe this will help you... nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >> (What I really want is a *small* AVS. Something around 400cfm.) > Son of a f**king b***h! > > I *just now* opened up the Jeg's catalog that came in the box with my > wheel spacers that just showed up today. There's an AVS on the cover > with "BRAND NEW!" in bold letters underneath. Flipping to the page > noted, there's a 500 CFM version that isn't in my old catalog. Naw sh.t? Cool. Now what I really want is a *large* lottery win. Something around $400 million. -DS (it worked once...!) > >> (What I really want is a *small* AVS. Something around 400cfm.) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -DS (it worked once...!) Play your birthday. I'll be happy with 5%. nate PS - update: I just pulled the FrankenCarb off the car today and set the floats 1/16" lower, also removed the "screen" type inline filter and put in a Wix pleated paper deal. I'm not sure which was the problem but it runs like a real car now. So I've apparently fixed a carb for my friend and I hope that when my new one shows up it will continue to run well... >> Naw sh.t? Cool. Now what I really want is a *large* lottery win. >> Something around $400 million. >> >> -DS (it worked once...!) > > Play your birthday. That'll be this coming Friday. What kind of lottery exists in DC/VA/MD, where I am marooned^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^hvisiting until the 29th? > >> Naw sh.t? Cool. Now what I really want is a *large* lottery win. > >> Something around $400 million. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > That'll be this coming Friday. What kind of lottery exists in DC/VA/MD, > where I am marooned^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^hvisiting until the 29th? Well, there's always the Powerball in DC... that's that multi-state thing... where you gonna be? I have a couple job sites in Alexandria/Arlington if you wanna grab lunch sometime... not going to be able to show off any machinery though, I drive too much on weekdays to consider taking the '55 - even though IT'S A FULLY FUNCTIONAL, DRIVEABLE CAR!!!!! (this is a very momentous accomplishment, and I'm kinda proud of myself at the moment.) nate <snip> > Drive a vintage car, pay vintage-parts prices. > Drive a new car, pay new-car prices. > > Only if you drive a 15-year-old beater can you expect to pay cheap > prices for parts. Unless you drive a 15 year-old Honda... :( >> Drive a vintage car, pay vintage-parts prices. >> Drive a new car, pay new-car prices. >> Only if you drive a 15-year-old beater can you expect to pay >> cheap prices for parts. > Unless you drive a 15 year-old Honda... :( Oh, but Hondas *never* break! ;-) > >> Drive a vintage car, pay vintage-parts prices. > >> Drive a new car, pay new-car prices. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Oh, but Hondas never break! ;-) Says Daniel, tongue so far into his cheek it's in the next county. >>> anyone...? >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > happened to Carter anyway? I stopped paying attention for a couple > years and they seem to have closed up shop and turned out the lights. Got sucked up in the Federal-Mogul implosion, along with Weber (both were owned by F-M and shared manufacturing plants before the end). I don't know whether Edelbrock just bought the design, or if they also are using the same foundries, etc. But the carb is *identical* to the last versions ("9000" series) of the aftermarket AFB that were built by Carter, as far as I can tell and apart from the different numbering system. >> I have a booklet that was faxed from Federal-Mogul regarding tuning of >> an AFB carburetor; it includes lots of helpful part numbers for things [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > nate Most of the parts from an Edelbrock AFB will fit an original-style Carter AFB with little or no modification. Unfortunately for your hopes to use the reference book, the Edelbrock jet and rod numbering system is different. > >> I have a booklet that was faxed from Federal-Mogul regarding tuning of > >> an AFB carburetor; it includes lots of helpful part numbers for things [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > to use the reference book, the Edelbrock jet and rod numbering system is > different. I actually have an old Carter "strip kit," I was more hoping to be able to replace the little pieces parts I've robbed off my "extra" carburetors to put them back in working order again... nate >>>>I have a booklet that was faxed from Federal-Mogul regarding tuning of >>>>an AFB carburetor; it includes lots of helpful part numbers for things [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > nate Yeah, that's the kind of stuff I've NEVER had a good source for. Maybe it was available and I just didn't know where. |
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