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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / January 2006

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Explorer slips out of gear when cold

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Ryan Underwood - 18 Jan 2006 17:02 GMT
This Explorer XL, either a 92 or a 93 with the 4.0 and an automatic, 150k, has
a strange problem.  When it has not been driven for a while, the transmission
will randomly slip into neutral while driving, usually uphill.  In order to get
it moving again, it is necessary to shift into park (neutral is not
sufficient), race the motor for approximately 10 seconds, and then shift back
into drive.  Shifting directly to park and then back into drive is not
sufficient either.  The problem is completely eliminated by allowing the motor
to warm up until the thermostat opens before driving it, i.e. it has never
slipped out under this condition.  This has been going on for at least 10,000
miles.  It acts the same in 4x4.  The transmission has been maintained with new
fluid as required.

Any thoughts?  I'm wondering if there are any known computer or control system
issues out there, but I suspect the torque converter.  The problem is mostly
annoying rather than serious, so more invasive diagnosis isn't really
justified.  I'm also wondering if it is likely to be doing any damage when it
pops out of gear or not.
John S. - 18 Jan 2006 17:06 GMT
> This Explorer XL, either a 92 or a 93 with the 4.0 and an automatic, 150k, has
> a strange problem.  When it has not been driven for a while, the transmission
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> miles.  It acts the same in 4x4.  The transmission has been maintained with new
> fluid as required.

Has the trans fluid been flushed at least twice in the 150k miles?
I don't mean topped off.

> Any thoughts?  I'm wondering if there are any known computer or control system
> issues out there, but I suspect the torque converter.  The problem is mostly
> annoying rather than serious, so more invasive diagnosis isn't really
> justified.  I'm also wondering if it is likely to be doing any damage when it
> pops out of gear or not.
the fly - 19 Jan 2006 00:24 GMT
>This Explorer XL, either a 92 or a 93 with the 4.0 and an automatic, 150k, has
>a strange problem.  When it has not been driven for a while, the transmission
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>justified.  I'm also wondering if it is likely to be doing any damage when it
>pops out of gear or not.

    The "Manual Lever Position Sensor" (formerly known as the
Neutral Safety Switch) may have worn-out its wiper contacts inside.
It can signal the electronic controls that the operator has placed the
gear selection lever in the Neutral position, even when you have not
actually done so.  No fault code is set, because placing the lever in
neutral while driving is a valid possibility.
    Happened on my '93 Crown Vic at about 110,000 miles.  Bend
over and smile when you ask for a new one.  What used to be a
three-dollar switch is now about $80 US.
 
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