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Can a few ounces of kerosene improve gas-mileage?

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justobservant@hotmail.com - 01 Feb 2006 20:17 GMT
Have any studies been done regarding how a few ounces of kerosene added
to 10 to 15 gallons of gasoline can bring noticable improvements to
fuel economy?

Included is a link to a product (a "combustion modifier of sorts") that
was developed with support of university and applied tests. Can
parallels with kerosene be comapred to the GTA Fuel-Enhancer, VISCON
brand products?

http://www.apdinc.com/additive.htm#Fuel%20Additive%20-%20Gasoline%20Engines

EXCERPT: A scientific phenomenon called viscoelasticity is used to
reduce fractional distillation of gasoline prior to burning. The result
is a more homogeneous air/fuel mixture in the cylinder at the molecular
level.

Thank-you
John S. - 01 Feb 2006 20:30 GMT
justobserv...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Have any studies been done regarding how a few ounces of kerosene added
> to 10 to 15 gallons of gasoline can bring noticable improvements to
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>
> Thank-you

If you believe that fuel enhancers and other elixirs can improve an
already highly complex product like gasoline, then please feel free
send your money on.  There are several companies more than willing to
help you.

To be honest I am instantly suspicious when a very small company comes
up with a fix that the large oil companies with rooms of highly
educated engineers and chemists have missed all these years.  Anything
is possible I suppose, but I'm not convinced.

Oh, yes, your first question was about adding kerosene to gasoline.
Haven't heard of that one, but I doubt you will see much change in a
full tank.  Added to a gallon it probably will make for some unusual
performance.
LoLo - 01 Feb 2006 21:16 GMT
> If you believe that fuel enhancers and other elixirs can improve an
> already highly complex product like gasoline, then please feel free
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> full tank.  Added to a gallon it probably will make for some unusual
> performance.

the last claim on these groups a few weeks ago were for adding acetone (nail
polish remover) to gasoline to turn it into a high mileage wonder fuel
Doug - 01 Feb 2006 21:39 GMT
No, it wont work. Don't do it. It may mess with your emissions system
and actually do harm.
Al Bundy - 01 Feb 2006 22:21 GMT
> Have any studies been done regarding how a few ounces of kerosene added
> to 10 to 15 gallons of gasoline can bring noticable improvements to
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Thank-you

The fact that you are asking explains why they keep coming up with new
miracle products. There's always another doofus out there that is
willing to believe. It's the triumph of hope over reality as someone
once said about second marriages.
223rem - 01 Feb 2006 22:34 GMT
>>Have any studies been done regarding how a few ounces of kerosene added
>>to 10 to 15 gallons of gasoline can bring noticable improvements to
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> willing to believe. It's the triumph of hope over reality as someone
> once said about second marriages.

You're wrong. It actually works, but only if you also attach a magnet
to the a fuel line.
Justin Sane - 01 Feb 2006 22:47 GMT
> You're wrong. It actually works, but only if you also attach a magnet
> to the a fuel line.

And add a "Tornado" to the air intake.
armourereric - 01 Feb 2006 23:43 GMT
And replace you air filter with pantyhose.
HLS@nospam.nix - 01 Feb 2006 22:41 GMT
> Have any studies been done regarding how a few ounces of kerosene added
> to 10 to 15 gallons of gasoline can bring noticable improvements to
> fuel economy?

Nope... BS.
Nate Nagel - 01 Feb 2006 22:51 GMT
> Have any studies been done regarding how a few ounces of kerosene added
> to 10 to 15 gallons of gasoline can bring noticable improvements to
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Thank-you

I haven't a clue, but have repeatedly heard that a small amount of
Diesel fuel will help prevent vapor lock.  Never had to try it, but I've
heard it enough that there might be something to it.

nate

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* - 01 Feb 2006 22:54 GMT
justobservant@hotmail.com wrote in article
<1138825077.777344.234450@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
> Have any studies been done regarding how a few ounces of kerosene added
> to 10 to 15 gallons of gasoline can bring noticable improvements to
> fuel economy?

IT'S A SCAM!!!!!!!

EVERYBODY knows that the best combination is the cow stomach magnet on the
fuel line, coupled with the "Tornado" and the air breather in the PCV
line..

> EXCERPT: A scientific phenomenon called viscoelasticity is used to
> reduce fractional distillation of gasoline prior to burning.

In the book, "The Racing & High Performance Tire" by Paul Haney - available
through the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) - Haney writes about the
differences in the way balls made of different rubber compounds
bounce......some higher than others.

He states, "Since the energy loss mechanism in rubber is mainly due to
viscous effects, these materials are said to be viscoelastic."

I REALLY don't believe that adding kerosene makes the fuel more - or less -
"bouncy."....Do you???

I guess anybody can toss around a few buzz words or terms such as
"viscoelastic", "fractional distillation", etc. and pull the wool over some
people's eyes......

Perhaps what the scam.... I mean, the entrepreneur purveying this
abomination really meant to say is, ".....the kerosene causes 'existential
frambulation' of the flutter component of gasoline molecules - thus
breaking up 'hydro-carbon clusters', and allowing the fuel to completely
perastize the gomperling elements "......

.......or something to that effect........

It is all the same thing..........Bull Schidt !!!!!!!!

As ol' P.T said, "There's one born every minute....."
khjc@jersey.net - 02 Feb 2006 00:36 GMT
Isn't Kerosene more expensive than gasoline?  Better be *real*
noticable improvements in fuel economy.

BTW, I'm not being the guinea pig.  Someone else can try it and let me
know.
Steve W. - 02 Feb 2006 01:22 GMT
> Have any studies been done regarding how a few ounces of kerosene added
> to 10 to 15 gallons of gasoline can bring noticable improvements to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> parallels with kerosene be comapred to the GTA Fuel-Enhancer, VISCON
> brand products?

http://www.apdinc.com/additive.htm#Fuel%20Additive%20-%20Gasoline%20Engines

> EXCERPT: A scientific phenomenon called viscoelasticity is used to
> reduce fractional distillation of gasoline prior to burning. The result
> is a more homogeneous air/fuel mixture in the cylinder at the molecular
> level.
>
> Thank-you

Considering that the kero will burn like oil in the system and burning
oil is REALLY bad for the converter why would you want to poison the
system?  Like replacing those parts?

Basically it is BS, Just like adding Acetone, Moth Balls, Diesel and a
few others.
justobservant@hotmail.com - 02 Feb 2006 01:55 GMT
> > Have any studies been done regarding how a few ounces of kerosene
> added
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ENCLOSED LINK discusses Professor Paul Waters work on a polymer-based
fuel additive. No studies indicated in this dicussion thread on why
kersene is ineffective, and probably doesn't compare to Professor
Waters' findings; for better, or worse, or just "plain inconclusive!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyisobutylene

Personally, I prefer to consult my mechanic to see if my vehicle can
adequately run on a 15 percent mix of ethanol. Even though higher
percentages of ethanol decrease gas-mileage and performance overall,
the gains in mileage (and unchanged performance) can come by how much
gasoline volume is defrayed by a 15 percent ethanol mix.

One problem; cannot find ethanol outlets that would sell ethanol for
about $2.50 per gallon, which would be cheaper than gasoline here in
California.
Don Stauffer - 02 Feb 2006 15:09 GMT
> Have any studies been done regarding how a few ounces of kerosene added
> to 10 to 15 gallons of gasoline can bring noticable improvements to
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>
> Thank-you

This is still based on the myth that mixture is not homogenous on
current engines, which is not true.  The inefficiency of current engines
is a THERMAL thing, not a mixture thing.
RobDee - 02 Feb 2006 19:04 GMT
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> EXCERPT: A scientific phenomenon called viscoelasticity is used to
> reduce fractional distillation of gasoline prior to burning. The result
> is a more homogeneous air/fuel mixture in the cylinder at the molecular
> level.

Fractional Distillation is the process used to refine crude oil in order to
extract the petrol in the first place! There is no *Fractional Distillation*
going on in your engine that could be *reduced*!
That statement alone should hint at the reliability of this advice.

Rob

> Thank-you
justobservant@hotmail.com - 03 Feb 2006 00:01 GMT
> <snipped>
>
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>
> > Thank-you

The "heck" with "disingenuous fuel additives" and defraying fossil fuel
usage through ethanol. How about a diesel vehicle that can run on
biodiesel? I actually have a filling-station that sells biodiesel, and
20 percent fuels blended with biodiesel. "Sure beats 'hard to find'
ethanol!"
N8N - 03 Feb 2006 01:34 GMT
> > <snipped>
> >
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> 20 percent fuels blended with biodiesel. "Sure beats 'hard to find'
> ethanol!"

what's so difficult about burning biodiesel?  I wasn't aware of any
major modifications that needed to be made at all...

nate
HLS@nospam.nix - 03 Feb 2006 23:14 GMT
"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> what's so difficult about burning biodiesel?  I wasn't aware of any
> major modifications that needed to be made at all...
>
> nate

Generally, there is no problem, Nate.
My concept of a turbocharged 3 cylinder diesel engine for 'practical'
transportation
might help Dubya distance us from the eastern countries.

Dubya might have meant, the other night, that we will all be riding
jackasses in the
next few years.  They are very fuel efficient.  AND, they produce a lot of
gas.. AND
Dubya can relate to them.
charlie - 04 Feb 2006 02:09 GMT
> "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > what's so difficult about burning biodiesel?  I wasn't aware of any
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> gas.. AND
> Dubya can relate to them.
jcr - 04 Feb 2006 02:15 GMT
Message from charlie written on 2/3/2006 9:09 PM:
>> "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> what's so difficult about burning biodiesel?  I wasn't aware of any
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>> gas.. AND
>> Dubya can relate to them.

I thought the "jackass" represented the other political party.  :-)
 
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