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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / February 2006

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Tiny windshield crack

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Suanne Lippman - 04 Feb 2006 01:59 GMT
I bought a used car yesterday.  I guess I should have test driven it in the
sunshine, because today I found a 1/8" crack in the windshield.

Any chance it won't get any worse?
Can it be fixed?
jcr - 04 Feb 2006 02:14 GMT
Message from Suanne Lippman written on 2/3/2006 8:59 PM:
> I bought a used car yesterday.  I guess I should have test driven it in the
> sunshine, because today I found a 1/8" crack in the windshield.
>
> Any chance it won't get any worse?
> Can it be fixed?

It shouldn't have passed your state inspection in that condition.  It
could get worse.
Bob M. - 04 Feb 2006 06:19 GMT
> Message from Suanne Lippman written on 2/3/2006 8:59 PM:
>> I bought a used car yesterday.  I guess I should have test driven it in
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> It shouldn't have passed your state inspection in that condition.  It
> could get worse.

Depends on what state she's in.  Here in Montana a 3' long crack will pass
inspection, because we don't have a safety inspection....
=AB Paul =BB - 04 Feb 2006 06:26 GMT
> Message from Suanne Lippman written on 2/3/2006 8:59 PM:
> > I bought a used car yesterday.  I guess I should have test driven it in the
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> It shouldn't have passed your state inspection in that condition.  It
> could get worse.

Cracks, bullet holes, etc. will generally pass in Texas as long as
they are not directly in front of the driver.
Steve W. - 04 Feb 2006 05:46 GMT
> I bought a used car yesterday.  I guess I should have test driven it in the
> sunshine, because today I found a 1/8" crack in the windshield.
>
> Any chance it won't get any worse?

Not really. It all depends on what caused it in the first place.

> Can it be fixed?

Maybe. It again depends on what caused it in the first place.

If you bought it privately then take it to a glass shop and see what
kind of money they want to repair it, then talk to the person you bought
it from and see if they will pay some or all of it. If you bought it at
a dealer take it back and talk to them about it. They should fix it
under warrantee unless you bought it without one.
Michael McNeil - 04 Feb 2006 14:29 GMT
my father has had a small crack on his windshield for the past 12 years now and it has never gotten
any bigger.  It is very low on the windshield and well below the range of the wipers and they allow
that to pass inspection every year

>> I bought a used car yesterday.  I guess I should have test driven it
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Schism - 04 Feb 2006 06:36 GMT
My uncle repairs holes and cracks in glass, it's very likely it could
grow, which would be even more of a problem. Friend of mine had a small
half inch spot on his window, within 6 months or so it covered over
half the windshield.
Lawrence Glickman - 04 Feb 2006 09:33 GMT
>My uncle repairs holes and cracks in glass, it's very likely it could
>grow, which would be even more of a problem. Friend of mine had a small
>half inch spot on his window, within 6 months or so it covered over
>half the windshield.

On a related note, I was in the local pep boys yesterday and noticed
they had a windshield glass repair kit.

I did -not- read the box carefully, so this is only a notice rather
than a recommendation.  But I think it might be worth looking into
further.  I don't have any idea how it *works.*  Nor did I notice the
cost.

Then again, you can take the car to a *glass shop* and get it done
right, but I try to avoid *shops* as my money supply is non-existent.

Lg
HLS@nospam.nix - 04 Feb 2006 13:18 GMT
"Lawrence Glickman" <Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net> wrote in message

> On a related note, I was in the local pep boys yesterday and noticed
> they had a windshield glass repair kit.

I've used those kits a couple of times to keep pecks and small cracks from
growing.  I am very satisfied with the results so far.

My Reatta had a small crack at the top of the windshield, which I patched
with one of those kits.  So far, so good.  (A new windshield, if you can
find one, costs $1800 at last check.)
zwsdotcom@gmail.com - 04 Feb 2006 13:46 GMT
> On a related note, I was in the local pep boys yesterday and noticed
> they had a windshield glass repair kit.

They have a syringe containing a low-viscosity light-curing adhesive
with approximately the same refractive index as glass. You inject the
adhesive into the crack, it fills the crack, and because there is no
longer a glass-air-glass boundary, the crack "disappears". In theory.

I have found them to be very effective on bullseye type damage.
<http://www.larwe.com/scout/day9.html> for instance. I haven't had such
good results with linear cracks.
John S. - 04 Feb 2006 16:40 GMT
> I bought a used car yesterday.  I guess I should have test driven it in the
> sunshine, because today I found a 1/8" crack in the windshield.
>
> Any chance it won't get any worse?
> Can it be fixed?

Yes, chances are very good that it can be repaired cheaply at a good
glass shop.  They won't be able to remove the crack but should be able
to secure it so it doesn't spread and it should be less visible when
they are done.
Suanne Lippman - 04 Feb 2006 17:20 GMT
The damage has a small chip on the outside and a small crack on the inside.
The crack is about an eighth of an inch.

So, it might not get bigger, but probably will; right?

I have found two ways to fix it; they are both $60.
One shop drills out the damage and fills it in with clear resin.  They say
it will be invisible when done.
The other puts resin into the damage to stabilize it.  They say it will look
pretty much like it does now, but will not break further.

Since they are the same price, the first one seems rather better.  Any
opinions here?!
John S. - 04 Feb 2006 17:47 GMT
> The damage has a small chip on the outside and a small crack on the inside.
> The crack is about an eighth of an inch.
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> Since they are the same price, the first one seems rather better.  Any
> opinions here?!

The repair process I've heard of places the cracked area under vacuum
and injects a resin into the crack.

I'm not familiar with the drill out process.  I'm prety conservative
when it comes to repairs so I would think twice before making a hole
that could be 1/4 to 1/2 inch in diameter.
Scott Dorsey - 04 Feb 2006 18:20 GMT
> I have found two ways to fix it; they are both $60.
> One shop drills out the damage and fills it in with clear resin.  They say
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> Since they are the same price, the first one seems rather better.  Any
> opinions here?!

The first one has a higher chance of the crack expanding during the repair.
The second one looks worse.  You pays your money and you takes your chance.

None of these repairs will be guaranteed, most of the time.  If either shop
offers a guarantee, go there.
--scott

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Suanne Lippman - 04 Feb 2006 19:53 GMT
>> I have found two ways to fix it; they are both $60.
>> One shop drills out the damage and fills it in with clear resin.  They
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> shop
> offers a guarantee, go there.

Well, the cheapest place ($25) says they will deduct the cost from a new
windshield if it breaks later on.  I suppose that is probably as good as it
gets.  They are also the cheapest on windshields, so I guess that is okay?

Ever hear of Diamond Triumph?
Alex Rodriguez - 06 Feb 2006 19:33 GMT
>Well, the cheapest place ($25) says they will deduct the cost from a new
>windshield if it breaks later on.  I suppose that is probably as good as it
>gets.  They are also the cheapest on windshields, so I guess that is okay?

If it was my car and my money, this is the option I would chose.  You really
have nothing to lose.  
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Alex
HLS@nospam.nix - 04 Feb 2006 22:48 GMT
> The damage has a small chip on the outside and a small crack on the inside.
> The crack is about an eighth of an inch.
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> The other puts resin into the damage to stabilize it.  They say it will look
> pretty much like it does now, but will not break further.

They drill the end of the crack to remove stress risers.  This helps stop
the
crack from propagating.  It is a standard process with metal as well as with
glass.

Both methods can do a good job.
tylernt@gmail.com - 05 Feb 2006 04:27 GMT
> They drill the end of the crack to remove stress risers.

And here I thought you couldn't drill safety glass because the tempered
layers would shatter. Learn something new every day.
Lawrence Glickman - 05 Feb 2006 14:01 GMT
>> They drill the end of the crack to remove stress risers.
>
>And here I thought you couldn't drill safety glass because the tempered
>layers would shatter. Learn something new every day.

I don't know if you can drill tempered glass or not, but the
windshield isn't tempered, it is safety glass.  There is a difference.

Tempered is your driver's side window.  Tap it and it shatters into a
million little pieces, theoretically none large enough to harm.  Try
that on the front windshield, and you get a localized crack.  The
front windshield isn't tempered...at least in the way the other
windows in the vehicle are.  Evidenced by head impacts I've seen,
which leave a red spider web design of cracks in the windshield, but
it is all (usually ) held together with the adhesive laminate in the
middle of the glass sandwich.  That is only true for the front
windshield.

Now the bruha about drilling THROUGH the front windshield to place a
stress relief hold has to do with allowing moisture into the sandwich
which could lead to delamination of the windshield layers.  My
opinion, is drill through the damn thing and put a stress relief hole
there ( very small ).  I did that with a machine of mine that had a
plastic case and it stopped the crack from *growing* dead in its
tracks.

Now the trick is to seal it so it is waterproofed ( in the case of the
windshield ) so it can't delaminate.

Lg
Stephen H - 05 Feb 2006 16:22 GMT
When I had my truck window fixed, he drilled it to allow a good point to
create the vacuum and allow an injection point for the resin.

Any method to repair a crack is moderate at best, it depends on the level of
the crack; some will be easy and more likely to disappear, others will
always be somewhat visible no matter what repair is used.

Steve

>> The damage has a small chip on the outside and a small crack on the
> inside.
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>
> Both methods can do a good job.
 
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