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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / February 2006

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Alignment Question: *UPDATE*

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ChrisCoaster - 22 Feb 2006 18:51 GMT
And a few generic questions I have for the gang.

First, my good ole' alignment shop nailed the problem. No bearings or
bent axles - just a left rear to they said was "waaaaaay out".
Specifically, it was -0.68 deg.  Spec is .10 to .20 degrees on both
rear wheels.  According to the tech, a negative value means the left
rear wheel was pointing in - in this case, way in, causing the rear end
to dog tail right, pushing the nose of the car left, thereby forcing me
to keep the steering wheel over hard right to maintain course.  Thanks
for all your tips in the sister post!  And most of that "roar" is gone.

Now for the questions:

Does a negative value for toe mean the same thing for the left wheels
as for the right?  IOW - does negative mean toe in for the lefts and
for the rights, or does negative toe mean toe OUT for the RIGHTs?

Second question - The toe spec for the '05 Malibu, indicated above is
.10-.20 deg.  If positive values mean "toed out", why would the rear
end of a frontwheel drive car have the wheels toed out? ?

Regards and happy headscratching,

-ChrisCoaster
ChrisCoaster - 22 Feb 2006 18:53 GMT
First, my good ole' alignment shop nailed the problem. No bearings or
bent axles - just a left rear to(that's TOE sorry my bad) they said was
"waaaaaay out".
ChrisCoaster - 22 Feb 2006 18:53 GMT
First, my good ole' alignment shop nailed the problem. No bearings or
bent axles - just a left rear to(that's TOE sorry my bad) they said was
"waaaaaay out".
Mike Romain - 22 Feb 2006 19:10 GMT
Each side has it's own direction for toe in or toe out.

The 'best' is likely just slightly toed in on both to make it track
straightest down the road.  A slight bit out may be ok, but toe out too
much will start a pull, vs a crab walk or steering to the side when toed
in, down the road.  It will change as it pulls, making the vehicle
wander, the crab walk gets stable as far as I can figure it.

Or maybe better said, one way you have to fight it, the other way just
has the steering wheel crooked.

Mike
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> And a few generic questions I have for the gang.
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> -ChrisCoaster
Shep - 22 Feb 2006 19:18 GMT
Positive toe values are toe in not out, a negative toe reading is toed out,
at least on all the equipment I use. BTW lets assume the alignment was close
to right before, for it to change that much usually indicates something
bent, there is nothing that can change these settings other than some metal
movement from impact or a worn component. The total change was almost 1/2
in. that is a lot.
> And a few generic questions I have for the gang.
>
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> -ChrisCoaster
ChrisCoaster - 23 Feb 2006 17:07 GMT
> Positive toe values are toe in not out, a negative toe reading is toed out,
> at least on all the equipment I use. BTW lets assume the alignment was close
> to right before, for it to change that much usually indicates something
> bent, there is nothing that can change these settings other than some metal
> movement from impact or a worn component. The total change was almost 1/2
> in. that is a lot.
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Shep:

Here's the problem, and I think you nailed it in your opening sentence
regarding negative toe readings:  THERE IS NO WEBSITE THAT EXPLAINS THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "POSITIVE" AND "NEGATIVE" TOE VALUES!!(I'm not
yelling at you Shep, but I hope someone sees this).

Sure, there are plenty of good websites out there on the subject, and
they do an outstanding job of explaining each alignment
parameter(Caster, toe, camber...) but none of them explains positive VS
negative TOE values.

And I would still like to know if neg. and pos. toe value mean the same
thing for both sides of the car.

-CC
 
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