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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / February 2006

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OBD II P0102 - Replaced MAF, But Chk Eng Still On

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jgrakla - 25 Feb 2006 04:20 GMT
Hi all:

I could use a bit of advice.  I have a 99 Pontiac Grand Prix with 38000
Supercharged engine.  The check engine light came on with code P0102
MAF Circuit Low Input.  I bench tested the MAF sensor.  It varied the
output voltage signal, but not by much.  I purchased a new MAF sensor
and bench tested it as well for comparission.  It varied the voltage
signal by significantly more.  I thought I had found the problem.  I
installed the new MAF sensor.  Then I disconnected the battery to clear
the old code, reconnected the battery, and then started the car.  The
Check Engine Light is still on.  What else should I be looking at?  Any
other advice appreciated?  Thanks in advance.
Paul Hovnanian P.E. - 25 Feb 2006 04:44 GMT
> Hi all:
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> Check Engine Light is still on.  What else should I be looking at?  Any
> other advice appreciated?  Thanks in advance.

I'm not sure about every model, but with some, disconnecting the battery
does not clear the error codes. The OBDII tool has to send a reset
command to the controller.

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Comboverfish - 25 Feb 2006 04:57 GMT
> Hi all:
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> Check Engine Light is still on.  What else should I be looking at?  Any
> other advice appreciated?  Thanks in advance.

P0102 could mean that there is inadequate flow through the MAF,
possibly due to a restriction inside it, an engine vacuum leak, etc.
Assuming you didn't get a bad MAF out of the box, you could check the
electrical basics as well.  Your MAF generates a frequency, not a
varying voltage, so your bench testing method was probably flawed.

First, check the pink wire for full battery+ voltage.  Then check the
Black/White wire for ground.  Finally, test the yellow wire with engine
idling and MAF connected: backprobe the yellow wire with positive lead,
ground the neg lead, and set your DVOM to read frequency.  You should
see about 3000 Hz at idle.  Below a certain threshold (about 1000 Hz)
the PCM will flag a code P0102.  If the freqency is good at the sensor,
it should be good at the PCM given the 5v. reference circuit design
used.  This is where an oscilloscope would better show how clean the
signal is and the low and high voltage points, but if you don't have a
scope this sentence is academic.

Toyota MDT in MO
martinsauto@alltel.net - 25 Feb 2006 15:10 GMT
alot of GM vehicles with the obdII system will NOT clear code by
unhooking the battery, you need a scan tool of some sort to clear the
code.
martinsauto@alltel.net - 25 Feb 2006 15:12 GMT
alot of GM vehicles with the obdII system will NOT clear code by
unhooking the battery, you need a scan tool of some sort to clear the
code.
philthy - 25 Feb 2006 22:13 GMT
vacuum leak

> Hi all:
>
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> Check Engine Light is still on.  What else should I be looking at?  Any
> other advice appreciated?  Thanks in advance.
Jason Graklanoff - 25 Feb 2006 23:04 GMT
Hi all,

Thanks for the good advice.  I was finally able to get the error codes
cleared.  I tried disconnecting both positive AND negative battery cables.
Previously I had just disconnected positive cable and let the car sit for
about 15 minutes.  Upon reconnecting and starting up, the check engine light
finally stayed off.  Not sure if it was a matter of both cables being
disconnected, or I had read that some models require three good starts
before self clearing a condition code.

Jason
> Hi all:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Check Engine Light is still on.  What else should I be looking at?  Any
> other advice appreciated?  Thanks in advance.
 
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