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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / February 2006

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intake valves hitting piston on stroker motor need help

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sooner_disciple73 - 25 Feb 2006 15:02 GMT
is there only a certain size cam you can use when building a stroker
motor. my brothers 350 is bored 60 and the heads are shaved 40. the cam
is a crane blue race with a 302/302 .50 lift so do i need to get a cam
with smaller lift on intake? any help on this subject would be
appreciated

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Stan Weiss - 25 Feb 2006 15:59 GMT
What pistons do you have? Many time there is enough metal to cut the
valve relief deeper.
Stan

> is there only a certain size cam you can use when building a stroker
> motor. my brothers 350 is bored 60 and the heads are shaved 40. the cam
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Shep - 25 Feb 2006 16:13 GMT
Very unusual for the intakes to hit the pistons, make sure you have the cam
phased properly. I assume this engine hasn't run, this was found in the
build process?

> is there only a certain size cam you can use when building a stroker
> motor. my brothers 350 is bored 60 and the heads are shaved 40. the cam
> is a crane blue race with a 302/302 .50 lift so do i need to get a cam
> with smaller lift on intake? any help on this subject would be
> appreciated
DieInterim - 25 Feb 2006 17:04 GMT
sooner_disciple73 Wrote:
> is there only a certain size cam you can use when building a stroker
> motor. my brothers 350 is bored 60 and the heads are shaved 40. the cam
> is a crane blue race with a 302/302 .50 lift so do i need to get a cam
> with smaller lift on intake? any help on this subject would be
> appreciated

What ratio rockers are you using?  Cut the pistons.

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HLS@nospam.nix - 26 Feb 2006 16:44 GMT
> is there only a certain size cam you can use when building a stroker
> motor. my brothers 350 is bored 60 and the heads are shaved 40. the cam
> is a crane blue race with a 302/302 .50 lift so do i need to get a cam
> with smaller lift on intake? any help on this subject would be
> appreciated

As everybody has already suggested, this is not uncommon if you don't
take precautions when building the engine.

Did you actually measure the piston top to deck when assembling it?
You know what the lift is and you also know you lost 0.040 inches when
you milled the heads.

You can preassemble the engine with a little molding clay on the top of the
piston
and gently turn the engine through a valve cycle and actually measure the
valve clearance (if any).

Don't cut it too close, because a little valve float can deal you surprises.

And my answers are the same as everybody elses...you can relieve the piston
top sometimes, or change the rocker ratio, or destroke, or use a cam with
less lift,
or even use a thick copper head gasket.
lugnut - 26 Feb 2006 18:04 GMT
>> is there only a certain size cam you can use when building a stroker
>> motor. my brothers 350 is bored 60 and the heads are shaved 40. the cam
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>less lift,
>or even use a thick copper head gasket.

I know you are not the OP but, I wanted to add my thoughts
to your observations.

He should also use one of those special low tension valve
checking springs when checking valve-to-piston clearance.
That way, the lifter won't be compressed by the valve spring
as it opens.  Also, cutting a head that much can really
screw up valve train geometry for a leaned on engine.  This
has to be corrected somehow during the build.  This engine
probably should have been built with only one cylinder to
start  to find the worst possible case of piston contact.
If that clears, bring 'er up to TDC and manually open the
valve until it either bottoms the spring or hits the piston
while watching a dial indicator to see if that distance is
greater than the effective lift at the valve.  If that
doesn't pass, the piston valve releifs will need to be
machined for clearance assuming there is enough meat in the
piston crown to allow this.  If not, either the pistons or
the cam must be replaced with something compatible.  Cutting
the pistons may also affect engine balance which means they
should be checked for equal mass after machining is
completed.

All that said, it never ceases to amaze me how many folks
decide they like some combination and proceed to assemble it
without bothering the so much as find out whether the parts
are reasonably compatible.  I find it is fairly easy to
gather information to educate myself from other peoples
mistakes.  Most rodders are glad to share their experience
with various combinations.  The tech support guys at most
cam and psiton suppliers have a pretty good idea which parts
will or will not work w/o mods and whether the mods will be
extensive or minor.

Lugnut
Shep - 26 Feb 2006 18:16 GMT
That's the way to build an engine in respect to piston to valve clearance,
not some amateur sticking a cam in and starting it up, good luck, looks like
that is probably what happened here! I ran a .785 lift 286 duration at .050
cam lift in my SS 426 Hemis, you talk about clearance, even the bottom of th
retainer hit the top of the valve guide ,had to back cut the valves as they
just nicked each other at over lap.

>>> is there only a certain size cam you can use when building a stroker
>>> motor. my brothers 350 is bored 60 and the heads are shaved 40. the cam
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> Lugnut
Andy Asberry - 27 Feb 2006 03:44 GMT
>is there only a certain size cam you can use when building a stroker
>motor. my brothers 350 is bored 60 and the heads are shaved 40. the cam
>is a crane blue race with a 302/302 .50 lift so do i need to get a cam
>with smaller lift on intake? any help on this subject would be
>appreciated

If this is truly a stroked motor, did you install shorter rods or
pistons with the wrist pin higher in the piston? If not, you're
probably pushing the pistons out the top of the bore.
 
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