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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / March 2006

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Mazda Protege5 headlight problem

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n9ejs@yahoo.com - 09 Mar 2006 05:44 GMT
I have a friend who has a Mazda Protege 5 (year?) that keeps burning
out Sylvania halogen headlight lamps.  He has measured the voltage at
the socket and it is 14.3 volts.  He doesn't have a service manual to
indicate what the spec maximum voltage should be from the alternator
should be.  Any ideas, anyone???
Nate Nagel - 09 Mar 2006 11:09 GMT
> I have a friend who has a Mazda Protege 5 (year?) that keeps burning
> out Sylvania halogen headlight lamps.  He has measured the voltage at
> the socket and it is 14.3 volts.  He doesn't have a service manual to
> indicate what the spec maximum voltage should be from the alternator
> should be.  Any ideas, anyone???

14.3 is good; what kind of bulbs is he using?  Not some of those
blue-tinted things, is he?  Those do have notoriously short life, the
fix is to switch to a better bulb...

nate

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Daniel J. Stern - 09 Mar 2006 21:50 GMT
> I have a friend who has a Mazda Protege 5 (year?) that keeps burning out
> Sylvania halogen headlight lamps.  He has measured the voltage at the
> socket and it is 14.3 volts.

14.3v measured at the socket with the bulb disconnected is pretty normal.
If your friend is buying the overhyped Sylvania Silverstar bulbs, that
would explain it; their rated life is *extremely* short. Inspect the
burned-out bulbs. If there are spherical little globs of metal at the
broken ends of the failed filaments, or rattling around in the bulb, then
the failure is probably due to an overvoltage condition, either
steady-state or transient (spike). If there are no globs of metal, then
the bulbs are likely failing due to vibration. In the latter case,
carefully inspect the retainer clips that hold the bulbs into the
headlamps. Re-bend as necessary to exert more tension on the bulb so it
can't rattle around in the headlamp.

DS
n9ejs@yahoo.com - 10 Mar 2006 05:38 GMT
OK guys thanks for this help.  I relayed it to him, and he checked the
bulb and sure enough it has the burned "glob" look, and it sounds like
it's the short-life bulbs that you describe he's using, but he likes
them, so he's going to try and go to the trouble and put a resistor in
line to reduce the voltage a little bit.  Stand by for the next
exciting chapter!
N8N - 10 Mar 2006 19:46 GMT
> OK guys thanks for this help.  I relayed it to him, and he checked the
> bulb and sure enough it has the burned "glob" look, and it sounds like
> it's the short-life bulbs that you describe he's using, but he likes
> them, so he's going to try and go to the trouble and put a resistor in
> line to reduce the voltage a little bit.  Stand by for the next
> exciting chapter!

hmmm....

lessee here.  Your friend put blue tinted bulbs in his car because he
thought they would help him see better.  He found that due to the blue
tinting the mfgr. had to put in a smaller filament to get acceptable
light output, with subsequent short life.  Now instead of giving up on
that experiment and going to a good, high-output white bulb like DS
recommended, he's going to drop the voltage to the headlights in an
attempt to make them last longer, so instead of being blue and
short-lived they will be blue and dim.  Keep in mind that incandescent
bulbs are very sensitive to voltage fluctuations, a drop of a volt or
two will cause a significant loss of light output (I personally have
gone to some lengths to ensure that the H4s in my car are being fed
their recommended daily allowance of electrons.)

Not to be mean, but it sounds like your friend needs a biatch-slap and
a pair of Xtravisions.

A possibility that your friend doesn't seem to have explored is that
the voltage is spiking; does a Protege5 have a voltmeter in the dash?

nate
n9ejs@yahoo.com - 12 Mar 2006 04:33 GMT
Nate -

   I don't know whether that Protege5e has a voltmeter on the dash
(!), but I've "suggested" to him that he check the output voltage at
the alternator/regulator!

   Thanks all!
Nate Nagel - 12 Mar 2006 04:33 GMT
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>     Thanks all!

I'd be more concerned that the voltage is fluctuating while he's
driving...  that's why I asked if there was one in the dash.  That said,
if it really were, it probably would have taken out something more
expensive by now :/

nate

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Daniel J. Stern - 12 Mar 2006 05:00 GMT
>>     I don't know whether that Protege5e has a voltmeter on the dash
>> (!), but I've "suggested" to him that he check the output voltage at
>> the alternator/regulator!

> I'd be more concerned that the voltage is fluctuating while he's
> driving... that's why I asked if there was one in the dash.  That said,
> if it really were, it probably would have taken out something more
> expensive by now :/

More to the point, if he did have transient voltage spikes, he'd likely be
losing bulbs all over the car, not just in the headlamps. It's sounding
more and more as if the owner's foolish bullheadedness in continuing to
buy short-lived blue-glass "extra white" bulbs is the real problem here.
Daniel J. Stern - 12 Mar 2006 04:49 GMT
> OK guys thanks for this help.  I relayed it to him, and he checked the
> bulb and sure enough it has the burned "glob" look, and it sounds like
> it's the short-life bulbs that you describe he's using, but he likes
> them, so he's going to try and go to the trouble and put a resistor in
> line to reduce the voltage a little bit.

That is a collossally stupid idea. He's already seriously reducing his
seeing light with those dumb blue-tinted "extra white" bulbs; a resistor
is only going to worsen the reduction in nighttime safety (his own and
everyone else's). If he will simply start using the right bulbs instead of
the wrong ones, the problem will likely go away.
 
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