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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / March 2006

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Octane Booster with MMT to pass NOX. Yea or Nay

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FNUJGSDLWDNP@spammotel.com - 29 Mar 2006 17:10 GMT
Taking an 86 Maxima for a repeat Mass emmission test tomorrow.
Originally failed NOX (see the number at the end). Based on the
recommendations, I have used Chevron Techron to  remove Carbon
deposits, checked and cleared passage to the EGR, will be testing the
timing tonight to see if I can retard it by 5 degrees or so,  and am
planing to load up on 93 Octane gas before the test to reduce the
detonation.

The question is: is it worth dumping a can of Octane Booster with MMT
to drive NOx further.The various data on the web
(http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/040310.htm) states that MMT
helps to reduce NOx emission, but searching this group I have seen
conflicting (although unexplained) opinions. I was planing to use
Prestone's 0-60 Booster with MMT
(http://gateway.canadiantire.ca/driver.php?fileid=1408474396669651_14084743966702
71_845524443279635
_)

Obviously the concern is not so much "will it help?", but "can it
hurt?"

Thanks for your opinions.

Max N

PS Here is the emission data

HC gpm 1.35 (limit 2.0) PASS
CO gpm 8.72 (limit 30) PASS
Nox gpm 3.85 (limit 3) --- FAIL
Co2 gpm 332.97 (limit N/A) NA
Ad absurdum per aspera - 29 Mar 2006 18:45 GMT
First the "main event" parts of NOx.

Dunno how they do it in Masschusetts, but in some states the timing is
part of the check -- if you successfully retarded static timing beyond
the ECM's ability to twiddle it on the fly (and the car still ran),
they'd either fail you for its being out of spec or insist on adjusting
it.

Cleaning up the EGR system was probably the biggest thing -- IF it's
working right.  That's the main way NOx emissions are cut down.  Timing
and mixture also affect NOx but you risk running up your hydrocarbons,
and you don't have a huge margin between the measurement and the limit
on those either (unless you want to replace the cat maybe?).  See for
instance
http://www.advanceautoparts.com/english/youcan/html/ccr/ccr20040501e1.html
http://www.asashop.org/autoinc/nov97/gas.htm
http://www.asashop.org/autoinc/dec97/egr.htm

As for MMT, I'm having trouble finding much authoritative information
on a one-shot use of an additive that features MMT.  This report from
Canada, where (in contrast to the US) MMT is a common component of
gasoline, suggests that MMT (at least at the levels commonly used in
gasoline itself) will probably reduce NOx levels in older
smog-controlled cars but might be a mixed blessing or a detriment in
Low Emissions vehicles and beyond:
http://www.aiamc.com/news/05_09_03_final_mmt_report.pdf
See also this paper, which suggests that, at least in some cars and
over a longish term, MMT can increase emissions and leave deposits in
the engines and contribute to cat plugging (not what you want to do if
you're marginal on HC, never mind its performance implications):
http://healthandcleanair.org/mmt/ford.pdf

A layman's summary of these issues may be found at
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/040310.htm

MMT does come in for some discussion as a fuel-borne catalyst in
*diesel* engines, which AFAIK do not customarily have an exhaust
catalyst.

Now for a couple of practical matters:  how many shots do you get at
smog recheck before you  get declared to be a gross polluter or
something and enter some fresh hell; and how much does it cost you each
time?

Cheers,
--Joe
FNUJGSDLWDNP@spammotel.com - 29 Mar 2006 19:23 GMT
>Cleaning up the EGR system was probably the biggest thing -- IF it's
>working right.

The present state of afairs on EGR is this: when the engine is reved,
the diagraphm on  the EGR goes up and stays up. When pressed all the
way up with finger at idle  , the engine  is very rough, but does not
stall. There appears to be only one runner to all cylinders, not
individual to each cylinder. My conclusion is that it is working.

>Now for a couple of practical matters:  how many shots do you get at
>smog recheck before you  get declared to be a gross polluter or
>something and enter some fresh hell; and how much does it cost you each
>time?

I have 2 month to fix this. I have one free test. I believe if I fail
again, I can pay for a test again ($30). My plan was to try the easy
way first, and if fail -- replace the Cat. Canv with a $110 direct fit
aftermarket. I have a $200 budget to get this car to pass emissions.

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