95 GTP Catalytic Converter Question

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Aaron407 - 11 Apr 2006 04:52 GMT

Hi everybody,

I have a 95 Grand Prix GTP, DOHC 3.4L, dual exhaust, and I've been
having the classic symptoms of a bad catalytic converter. I took it to
Midas and they said that if it is OBD I, the catalytic converter can be
removed and replaced by a straightpipe (which is actually legal here in
Saskatchewan) since there would be no oxygen sensor found after the
converter. My question is, would this have any adverse effects other
than increased emissions? I have read numerous posts of people saying
that removing the catalytic converter can sometimes increase power
because of reduced backpressure, but some say it actually reduces the
power since the backpressure is required for low-end torque. On my car
in particular, which would likely be true? Any comments would be great.

407

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Comboverfish - 11 Apr 2006 05:51 GMT

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I would be surprised if it were true that there is no legal
ramification to removing your cat, even in the case of an OBDI vehicle.
Perhaps the truth is that, in your province, a safety/emission
inspection isn't required. That doesn't necessarily make it legal to
modify your emissions system.

If the cat is actually plugged (what are the 'classic symptoms of a bad
cat', anyway?) it most likely got plugged due to a meltdown from poor
fuel management conditions. This root cause will need to be addressed
to achieve a proper running car regardless of the converter situation.

Finally, please explain how low backpressure (the kind realized from
removing a converter) negatively affects low end torque? I know, I
should have asked 'some', since 'some say that'... :)

Toyota MDT in MO

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Aaron407 - 11 Apr 2006 06:13 GMT

I've looked into emissions regulations for Saskatchewan, and it seems
that you cannot remove a working catalytic converter nor replace any
catalytic converter with a used one. However, once one is worn out, it
can be removed and does not need to be replaced. I'm not sure why the
law is like this, but it is.

As for the symptoms, I have significant lost power, rattling coming
from the cat, poor idling, an 'air sucking' sound coming at WOT, and
higher than normal average engine temperature. From what I've read it
seems that the catalytic converter is worn out.

and about low backpressure causing loss of low end torque - I'd like to
hear a good explanation too, I don't know where the numerous people got
this information from.

Can anybody else throw in their opinions?

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Comboverfish - 11 Apr 2006 06:43 GMT

> I've looked into emissions regulations for Saskatchewan, and it seems
> that you cannot remove a working catalytic converter nor replace any
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There's a possibility of multiple problems as I stated earlier, but one
of them could be that your cam gears are out of time. These engines
are hard to set up the gears on during a timing belt/ front cover
service. There is no keyway for the cam gears to line up exactly on
their respective cams, so they can be put on any old way. A few
"teeth" off and you suffer bizarre drivability problems, the most
likely being a loss of power. Also, if a cam gear *was* to slip while
driving, it would slip in the retarded direction - really causing a
loss of power.

Ofcourse you could remove the headpipe at the most convenient pre cat
location and drive the car for an A/B comparison before condemning the
cat.

Toyota MDT in MO

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Aaron407 - 12 Apr 2006 15:29 GMT

I took it to Midas yesterday and the catalytic converter was indeed
shot. However, they replaced it with a glasspack instead of a
straightpipe since a straightpipe would be a lot noisier. I regained a
lot of power that I had lost before, but it sounded like there was a
lot of air escaping when I would accelerate. I took it back to them and
they said that because of the glasspack there is more air flowing, and
that the sound I hear is this increased air flow and a result of the
different sound from the glasspack, not a leak from anything. I, on the
otherhand, am a little skeptical. Does their claim hold any merit or
should I start looking for a leak underneath?

407

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