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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / April 2006Hard evidence needed...
that the driver's side airbag is or is not a hazard to a rearward facing child seat in the center position in a 2-door pickup truck. For reasons that take too long to go into, I was wondering if anyone has institutional, verifiable evidence that the driver's side airbag in a 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 regular cab presents a significant hazard to a child in the center seat position who is properly seated in a rearward facing child seat. The IIHS and NHSTA sites only talk about child seats in the passenger position (at least from what I could discern) with no mention of the center position; I need to know whether or not I need to disable the driver's side airbag as well. I am well aware that the safest place for a child seat is in the back seat of a vehicle. I am also aware that my truck does not have one. What I do have is a tether point in the middle and no clear indication that the driver's side airbag will impact the baby seat. Also, if anyone has another forum where I could post a similar query, please let me know. TIA, -Phil Crow > that the driver's side airbag is or is not a hazard to a rearward > facing child seat in the center position in a 2-door pickup truck. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > TIA, > -Phil Crow I have no such data. However, company I was working for was working on occupant sensor to control when bag deployed. Problem with rear facing child seat was that acceleration given to seat by bag would bang child's head against backrest at sufficient Gs to cause injury. The kid seats in most cars would not be far from bags. Sniff! Sniff! Do I detect the faint odor of litigation here? Do the reasons REALLY "....take too long to go into....."? Or do you just NOT want to make it known that any "hard evidence" provided might be used in a lawsuit - with the subsequent subpoena of any "expert" providing such information? . . ============= ============= * wrote in message: > Sniff! Sniff! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > might be used in a lawsuit - with the subsequent subpoena of any "expert" > providing such information? =========== =========== You live in a weird world man......... life so good you worry about sh.t like that? lmao ~:~ MarshMonster ~is off to do a google on the airbag deal......he likes being subpoena'd.... and if it'll save a kids life....it's worth the effort~ Marsh Monster <MarshMonster2624@aol.com> wrote in article <1146008132.549353.123170@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>... > . > . [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > lmao It is obvious that you have never been subpoenaed as an "expert witness" in a "wrongful death" lawsuit..... ......unfortunately, I have been.....TWICE! The second one almost cost me my business when I missed a contractual deadline due to being in court. My cynicism is well-grounded. Once burned.....twice shy! > Sniff! Sniff! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > might be used in a lawsuit - with the subsequent subpoena of any "expert" > providing such information? Dude. Okay, the short version is that my STBX is having an aneurism about our kid riding with me in the truck. She is paranoid, but she may be right. Personally, I hope there is hard evidence that the driver's side airbag is NOT a hazard so I can cram it up her a.s. But, if the contrary is true, no reason to put my son in jeapordy, is there? Secondly, if I'm asking for hard, verifiable evidence, why the **** would I need to subpoena some phantom computer identity off usenet when I've got an intstitutional study to prove or disprove my findings? You should get out more. No, really. -Phil Crow phildcrowNOSPAM@yahoo.com wrote in article <1146022591.106210.282980@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>... > > Sniff! Sniff! > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > No, really. You came across like a lawyer trying to find an "expert witness" to call upon in a lawsuit of some sort. Been there, done that, and - trust me - they frown on wearing the T-shirt in court. You probably would have elicited many more responses if you hadn't come across as being so clandestine about it all...... "Ex-wife thinks my truck's air bag is unsafe for the kid. Any evidence to the contrary?" Don't think a "phantom identity" is any way of stopping someone who really wants to know who you are. I - like many others - just use it to avoid SPAM and UCE. > You came across like a lawyer trying to find an "expert witness" to call > upon in a lawsuit of some sort. And you come across as a trolling moron with a one-character name. Kaz Kylheku <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in article <1146080421.096402.274850@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>... > > You came across like a lawyer trying to find an "expert witness" to call > > upon in a lawsuit of some sort. > > And you come across as a trolling moron with a one-character name. "Kaz Kylheku" is, somehow, better? . . ======== ======== > > Sniff! Sniff! > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > -Phil Crow ========= ========= I agree, keep him caged. Better yet....... let him out during hunting season. ~"~ MarshMonster ~:~ Install an airbag disable switch. Google it. b. I would try Dodge direct and ask for the inflated dimensions of the air bag or maybe track down the maker's name and ask them direct. The info should be easy to find. Those and a tape measure would resolve the question pretty fast. It's a good question too.... Airbags even kill short drivers. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > that the driver's side airbag is or is not a hazard to a rearward > facing child seat in the center position in a 2-door pickup truck. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > TIA, > -Phil Crow > It's a good question too.... Airbags even kill short drivers. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 Friend's daughter was recently involved in an accident where the airbag deployed. The young lady sustained a pretty severe cut to her leg, but came out pretty well, all in all. The airbag abraded a lot of skin off her, which was in itself pretty severe. Despite the fact that an airbag can hurt you, I guess it is proven that they save lives too. Someone told me that the designers have modified the pressurization on the bags to make them tamer in later model cars. Maybe someone here know if that is true. > > It's a good question too.... Airbags even kill short drivers. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > save > lives too. I don't get your point.... It injured her you say. So that little fender bender ding that most would walk away from with a cuss word or two turned into an injury accident. She is lucky. Last year one of those killed a Toronto woman. Broke her neck if I remember right. The cops figured she would have walked away with no injury otherwise. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > that the driver's side airbag is or is not a hazard to a rearward > facing child seat in the center position in a 2-door pickup truck. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > TIA, > -Phil Crow ============ ============ Phil, the eng. size and if tranny is auto or manual would be helpfull. The following is NOT airbag related, but interesting. I'm still checking TSBs, so more may follow. ~:~ MarshMonster ~:~ November 2000 Safety Recall No. 957 - Owner's Manual Addendum Models IMPORTANT: Some of the involved vehicles may be in dealer new vehicle inventory. Federal law requires you to stop sale and complete this recall service on these vehicles before retail delivery. Dealers should also consider this requirement to apply to used vehicle inventory and should perform this recall on vehicles in for service. Involved vehicles can be determined by using the DIAL VIP System. Subject The owners manual supplied with about 1,210,000 of the above vehicles may have omitted certain information required under Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) No. 225, which relates to child restraint anchorage systems. Federal regulations require that some specific instructions be provided in the owner's manual to ensure that a child restraint system tether strap is properly attached and to identify the seat positions that have tether anchorages. Repair Owner's manual addendum cards are being mailed directly to all owners known to DaimlerChrysler with the owner notification letter. The owners are requested to insert the card into their owner's manual. Dealers must insert a copy of the correct addendum card into each affected unsold vehicle in dealer inventory before retail delivery. Parts Information Each dealer to whom vehicles in the recall were invoiced (or the current dealer at the same street address) will receive enough Owner's Manual Addendum Cards to service 100% of their UNSOLD vehicles. Dealers should determine which addendum card is required for each vehicle by: > Phil, > the eng. size and if tranny is auto or manual would be helpfull. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Safety Recall No. 957 - Owner's Manual Addendum Okay, Marsh. 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 3.8L V-6 automatic transmission. 8-foot bed. Um, tilt steering, cruise, 16" chrome wheels, and sliding glass were the options. Better to have it and not need it, right? Thanks. -Phil Crow > that the driver's side airbag is or is not a hazard to a rearward > facing child seat in the center position in a 2-door pickup truck. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > TIA, > -Phil Crow ============= ============= There were no other pertinent TSBs or Recalls listed that would apply to the topic. here's a link that's on topic........ http://www.kidseat.org/ ~:~ MarshMonster ~:~ > that the driver's side airbag is or is not a hazard to a rearward > facing child seat in the center position in a 2-door pickup truck. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > TIA, > -Phil Crow =========== =========== A good Dodge forum would be...... alt.autos.dodge.trucks knowledgeable bunch of credents in that room. ~:~ MarshMonster ~hopes you have thick skin.....<g>~
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