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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / May 2006

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fiveiron@webtv.net - 02 May 2006 02:35 GMT
and with ethanol -

how is the ethanol factor going to affect the "dirty" fuel systems,
initially, of automobiles?

mho
vƒe

>presently, a $1k more / year for gas - based on 12k miles of driving.
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Paul Hovnanian P.E. - 02 May 2006 03:32 GMT
> and with ethanol -
>
> how is the ethanol factor going to affect the "dirty" fuel systems,
> initially, of automobiles?

From what I've heard: Ethanol has an affinity for water and anything
that might be dissolved or suspended in it. So, that little puddle of
dirty water sitting at the bottom of your gas tank is going to dissolve
in the gas-ethanol combination. By itself, this isn't a big problem
(unless you have a fuel system that is susceptible to corrosion), but
the it will take all the crud with it.

Best advice: be prepared to change a few gas filters when the change
occurs.

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fiveiron@webtv.net - 02 May 2006 04:26 GMT
>moisture absorptive / decrud / change >gas filters - are realities /
possibilities..
==

sounds logical, not when, but has, runs ok,

not enough experience with it to tell, yet, will probably set a pattern,
giving some ideas on what to expect.

mho
vƒe

>presently, a $1k more / year for gas - based on 12k miles of driving.
Get involved.
y_p_w - 02 May 2006 07:18 GMT
>>and with ethanol -
>>
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> (unless you have a fuel system that is susceptible to corrosion), but
> the it will take all the crud with it.

By the same token, MTBE helps water and gasoline mix, so
there shouldn't be much of a difference with ethanol.  I'd
actually be worried if there was a puddle of separated
water in the bottom of my tank.  An unlubricated slug of
water could be sucked into the fuel pump or injectors
without lubrication.  Even worse, it could freeze in low
temps.  Fuel line water remover/antifreeze usually contain
alcohols, and they're commonly used without problems.

> Best advice: be prepared to change a few gas filters when the change
> occurs.

We haven't had MTBE in California for several years.
Besides - up to 10% ethanol has been common in the midwest
for years, and I haven't heard of too many problems.

Modern fuel systems aren't terribly subsceptible to
corrosion.  Even so, most gasline has inhibitors added to
reduce pipeline and tank corrosion.

<http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/motorgas/3_refining-test
ing/pg4.asp
>

"Corrosion inhibitors are carboxylic acids and carboxylates.
The facilities — tanks and pipelines — of the gasoline
distribution and marketing system are constructed primarily
of uncoated steel. Corrosion inhibitors prevent free water
in the gasoline from rusting or corroding these facilities.
Corrosion inhibitors are less important once the gasoline is
in the vehicle. The metal parts in the fuel systems of
today’s vehicles are made of corrosion-resistant alloys or
of steel coated with corrosion-resistant coatings. More
plastic and elastomeric parts are replacing metals in the
fuel systems. In addition, service station systems and
operations are designed to prevent free water from being
delivered to a vehicle's fuel tank."
spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 02 May 2006 19:43 GMT
Bigger concern is non-closed loop engines such as mowers, non-FI
motorcycles, older cars that will run lean.

You go and re-jet for 10% ethanol, and then the fuel co's lobby to have
the sticker on the pump removed so you can't even consistently get the
10% blend that you've re-jetted for.

Dammit.

Dave
 
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