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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / May 2006Biodiesel, Does it void warranty?
Federal and state authorities are giving biodiesel a big push. Its a blend of vegetable oil such as soybean oil mixed with regular diesel (mineral) oil. B-20 is 20% renewable but some private folks have gone much higher and substitute fast-food frying oil waste. Is Biodiesel up to manufacturer's approval as a fuel which will not void engine warranties? My understanding is fuel injector pumps and nozzles might be harmed by bad fuel. Who is watching out for bad fuel in this new business model? What about freezing weather - will this biodiesel pumped out by bathtub gin operators turn to cheese in your fuel lines to park your car in-situ until next spring? One state at least is proposing State vehicles run on biodiesel. But if it damages vehicles and or ruins warranties and resale value at eventual auction, isn't that malfeasance of public tax funds? I am for impeaching these pseudoecologists who would waste precious tax dollars for a few extra votes from the Sierra Club peaceniks. Nobody cares if Joe Blow wants to burn KFC second hand chicken fat in his '80 Rabbit, but why do politicians suggest you ruin your $50,000 Mercedes to save a few gallons of Saudi crude for waste in their gasoline hogging Government limos? If you are referring ot a vehicle still under the MFG warranty contact the customer service line of that mfg and get a definitive answer. > Federal and state authorities are giving biodiesel a big push. Its a > blend [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > to save a few gallons of Saudi crude for waste in their gasoline hogging > Government limos? > Federal and state authorities are giving biodiesel a big push. Its a blend > of vegetable oil such as soybean oil mixed with regular diesel (mineral) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > to save a few gallons of Saudi crude for waste in their gasoline hogging > Government limos? If you really want an answer to that question then why don't you ask the people who are going to make a decision on your potential warranty claim - the car manufacturer. How in the world could you expect that a car forum could answer a technical warranty question like that for a particular car. If I was maker I would exclude the car from coverage because of the real possibility of polluted fuel being introduced to an engine. I have a similar situation, with a gasoline car. My state has mandated 20% ethanol in all gasoline in state. My warrantee specifically states do not use over 10%. I have asked state rep if state is working with manufacturers to remove this restriction, and I have yet to get an answer. > I have a similar situation, with a gasoline car. My state has mandated > 20% ethanol in all gasoline in state. My warrantee specifically states > do not use over 10%. I have asked state rep if state is working with > manufacturers to remove this restriction, and I have yet to get an answer. Sounds like the state would be liable for any damage incurred. Pete C. Don't confuse biodiesel, which passes the same ASTM tests as petrodiesel as to cetane rating and viscosity, with Straight Vegatble Oil or Waste Vegatable Oil from restaurants, which is a feedstock for biodiesel. > Don't confuse biodiesel, which passes the same ASTM tests as > petrodiesel as to cetane rating and viscosity, with Straight Vegatble > Oil or Waste Vegatable Oil from restaurants, which is a feedstock for > biodiesel. Don't confuse the two types of "biodiesel" - that which is produced by large scale commercial operations and should be reasonably consistent and "safe", and the hombrew "biodiesel" which is typically produced under less controlled conditions and with less testing and may or may not be "safe". Pete C. > I have a similar situation, with a gasoline car. My state has > mandated 20% ethanol in all gasoline in state. My warrantee > specifically states do not use over 10%. I have asked state rep if > state is working with manufacturers to remove this restriction, and I > have yet to get an answer. What state is mandating 20% ethanol. I have not heard of anyone mandating over 10%??? KB  SignatureThunder Snake #9 "Protect" your rights or "lose" them. >>I have a similar situation, with a gasoline car. My state has >>mandated 20% ethanol in all gasoline in state. My warrantee [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What state is mandating 20% ethanol. I have not heard of anyone mandating > over 10%??? KB I think he's from Minnesota. It's a little more complicated than an immediate mandate for 20% ethanol gasoline though. There's a timetable, and the 20% ethanol gasoline can be scrapped if 20% of all motor fuel used is from ethanol (i.e. the ethanol from E-85, full ethanol, and 10-20% ethanol gas). They've had a 10% ethanol requirement for a while. Heck - they're a corn growing state, so it's gotta be partly political. <http://www.eere.energy.gov/news/news_detail.cfm/news_id=9059> <http://www.governor.state.mn.us/Tpaw_View_Article.asp?artid=1347> >>>I have a similar situation, with a gasoline car. My state has >>>mandated 20% ethanol in all gasoline in state. My warrantee [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > <http://www.eere.energy.gov/news/news_detail.cfm/news_id=9059> > <http://www.governor.state.mn.us/Tpaw_View_Article.asp?artid=1347> Yea I thought so. I hadn`t seen anyone at all mandate over a 10% mix. Here in Iowa (and I grow corn) we haven`t been that stupid yet. They are trying someing, unsucessful yet thank goodness, but I am positive that a choice should always be offered. I have used 10% for 20 years now but don`t think it should be stuffed down anyones throught. KB SignatureThunder Snake #9 "Protect" your rights or "lose" them. >>I have a similar situation, with a gasoline car. My state has >>mandated 20% ethanol in all gasoline in state. My warrantee [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What state is mandating 20% ethanol. I have not heard of anyone mandating > over 10%??? KB Minnesota! Required by 2012. We hope to have our new car still in service then, and warranty would still be good (7 year warranty). |
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