I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
called 'bi-tron'. The email is below (all the irrelevant bits of header
removed):
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From bi-tron@shaw.ca Thu Jun 1 07:00:44 2006
Return-Path: <bi-tron@shaw.ca>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:58:49 -0600 (MDT)
Date-warning: Date header was inserted by l-daemon
From: Mark <bi-tron@shaw.ca>
Subject: Not Sure If you are interested.
To: c900@lios.apana.org.au
Message-id: <"18161.238868.54084681 c900"@lios.apana.org.au>
I got your email address from a newsgroup I was visiting and thought with your interest
in vehicles, this may be something worth your time to look at, no you have not been
added to some huge mailing list,. Since you don't know me my name is Mark and, I
would like permission to send you a short email about a product that has increased
my fuel economy by 20%. If you are not interested, just don't respond to this email and
since I have not saved your email address, you will not hear from me again.
Hope you are having a great day;
Mark T.
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Note that there is no indication of a website, but by simple deducation I
tried "http://www.bi-tron.ca" and got some really strange flash-based
website which looks like the makings of a multi-level marketting scheme for
automotive fluid products. It's really 'blingy' but the site gives you
almost nothing about the products from a technical perspective and in fact
most of the site seems to be designed to make you feel 'funky' and want to
market their stuff. 8-) I don't. lol
I can't find any direct link between the email I received and the website,
but does anyone know more about this? The fact that the email I received was
unsolicited and gave no real information about what is being pushed makes it
look like a scam. Even more so if it's really connected with the website
I've mentioned.
Craig.

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Tony Smith - 01 Jun 2006 00:05 GMT
.
> I can't find any direct link between the email I received and the
> website, but does anyone know more about this? The fact that the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Craig.
Those of us with decent spam filters never see this crap.
The mongrel behind the spam/scam should probably cut you in on the deal
for kindly reposting his nonsense so that people who otherwise would
never have been "reached" by his mailout got to see it.
Craig, you seem like a nice chap, please engage brain before putting
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Don - 01 Jun 2006 04:05 GMT
>I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
>is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
>called 'bi-tron'. ...................................
SNIP
Why would you even have to ask if this is a scam?
Don
www.donsautomotive.com
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 01 Jun 2006 07:19 GMT
>>I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
>>is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
>>called 'bi-tron'. ...................................
>SNIP
>Why would you even have to ask if this is a scam?
Why not? There's every chance it could be legit, and since I'd never heard
of it before, decided to ask a larger group of people who probably would
know about it. Sure the unsolicited email was a warning sign, but as the
email indicated nothing about a connection to an actual product (except for
the email domain), it's fair that I should ask what it's about.
Even the bi-tron website doesn't really say much about the products
themselves, or give any indication of a connection with the person who
emailed me. All things that show it's not 100 percent on the level... But
without anything else to go on, I decided to ask people who could help out.
I guess most people here don't want to help out, and instead just want to
give self-gratifying 'you are an idiot' answers.
Craig.

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Andy - 01 Jun 2006 09:27 GMT
>>>I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
>>>is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> I guess most people here don't want to help out, and instead just want to
> give self-gratifying 'you are an idiot' answers.
You are an idiot.
HTH.
A.
ShazWozza - 01 Jun 2006 10:14 GMT
> You are an idiot.
>
> HTH.
>
> A.
A comparison of Craig's postings and yours indicates quite the opposite in
my opinion.
HTH
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 01 Jun 2006 22:20 GMT
>You are an idiot.
GFYS.
Craig Welch - 05 Jun 2006 08:24 GMT
>>You are an idiot.
>
>GFYS.
'Yourself' is one word, so 'GFY' would suffice.

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Perusal - 01 Jun 2006 10:02 GMT
> >>I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
> >>is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Craig.
Craig, it sounds like a scam/snake oil.
Perusal
=AB Paul =BB - 01 Jun 2006 05:14 GMT
> I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
> is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
> called 'bite-me'. The email is below (all the irrelevant bits of header
> removed):
(snip)
> Craig.
Surely you are joking?
Mike - 01 Jun 2006 06:46 GMT
>I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
>is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
>called 'bi-tron'. The email is below (all the irrelevant bits of header
>removed):
<snipped your posting the spam>
Bitron has been tried here in Perth by a friend of mine in country,
although he swears by it, I think he is somewhat influenced by the
placebo effect and changes his driving style accordingly... ;-)
Esp since he used to sell it on the network marketing route but, then
he gone 'done' by the importers and missed a huge amount of commission
and was given all sorts of excuses about "... the russian inventor not
getting paid..." so the plug was pulled and the Qld guys who were
selling it decided not to pass on money they had already received from
distributors, yet another reason to avoid *any* network marketing
campaign.
Also I am pholisophically against that type of business as it makes
people look at friends of long standing as income prospects, and makes
people far more manipulative, even had one guy try to sign up a friends
12 month baby <guh> What utter crap !
But back to the chemical.
However I have seen a small, maybe 5% improvement in another friends vehicle
and he is an enthusiast who has an rpm totaliser on his engine, so he
can see how many engine revolutions it takes to get from a to b and
this includes a histogram of throttle positions, so he has a great
starting point for doing a fairly good series of experiments. But like
I said he only got 5% and it wasnt worth the cost, plus I seem to recall
that the next time he tried it he got no noticeable improvement, maybe
because its like a one time cleaner, so if you get it cheap maybe try
a little - but *not* for long...
Besides as far as I know, Bitron has some chlorinated phenols, so long
term use *is* going to result in chlorine being released as chlorine
is never held as tightly in any bonds as flourine it is going to upset
the oils capacity for leeping Ph near neutral, that means hydrochloric
acid is going to form. In fact <cough> it might
form hydrogen sulphide/chlorine complexes with mineral oils, another
reason why I use synthetic, no Bitron, but a small amount of Nulon every
now and then :)
btw: Am currently running a test of my last snythetic change to see
how long it takes for the oil to discolour and have found a lab which
can measure the carbon particulates of 1L of oil but have to wait
a while, this will be a fairly good test of how differentially synthetic
will or will not build up carbonisation particles in the oil etc...
<chuckle>

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The Red Krawler - 01 Jun 2006 06:52 GMT
> I can't find any direct link between the email I received and the website,
> but does anyone know more about this?
Typical snake oil... Lots of demonstrations showing how "good" it is at
preventing friction, but none of them take into account combustion and
engine temps, not to mention its long term affect on metal parts and the oil
itself.
John S. - 01 Jun 2006 15:14 GMT
Unfortunately the miracle-in-a-bottle solutions for improving gas
milage come forth every time there is a runup in gas prices. The
author of the email that you copied was late to the starting line
because his competition has been flooding this and many other net
groups with such stuff for the past 2 months.
There have been very few resounding break-throughs in improved engine
performance, but many small improvements. Two significant ones that
come to mind were fuel injection and IC controlled engine management
systems, but those were introduced then improved over decades.
At best what you have is a scheme to separate you from your money for
some mystery brew that will hopefully do no damage to the critical
seals in a fuel system. It sounds like this scheme may also have the
added allure of making money from a pyramid.
Mike Romain - 01 Jun 2006 15:29 GMT
So it would seem you are working for the scum sucker already by Spamming
the hell out of usenet with 'his' (ha ha) advertisement.
What a pathetic idiot looser you are. Your SPAM excuse has already been
done to death.
Mike
> I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
> is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
> called 'bi-tron'. The email is below (all the irrelevant bits of header
> removed):
<SPAM SNIPPED>
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 01 Jun 2006 22:19 GMT
>So it would seem you are working for the scum sucker already by Spamming
>the hell out of usenet with 'his' (ha ha) advertisement.
>What a pathetic idiot looser you are. Your SPAM excuse has already been
>done to death.
GFYS if you can't handle a legit question being asked about something.
Mike Romain - 02 Jun 2006 14:21 GMT
> >So it would seem you are working for the scum sucker already by Spamming
> >the hell out of usenet with 'his' (ha ha) advertisement.
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>
> GFYS if you can't handle a legit question being asked about something.
You could easily have asked the question without the SPAM.
You chose to SPAM this product under the fake excuse of asking a
'question' which is total bull sh.t. As mentioned, it's been done to
death.
You are just another spamming jerk on usenet.
Mike
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Craig's Saab C900 Site - 03 Jun 2006 22:01 GMT
>> >So it would seem you are working for the scum sucker already by Spamming
>> >the hell out of usenet with 'his' (ha ha) advertisement.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>
>> GFYS if you can't handle a legit question being asked about something.
>You could easily have asked the question without the SPAM.
>You chose to SPAM this product under the fake excuse of asking a
>'question' which is total bull sh.t.
Not when I didn't know anything about it and had never heard of it before.
If you think that's illegitimate, that's your choice.
> As mentioned, it's been done to death.
Well it probably has, but I'd never heard of it before and in the time I've
actually owned cars, I'd never come across it in any of the Australian
newsgroups.
>You are just another spamming jerk on usenet.
That's your choice. Grow up and accept that some people actually like to ask
genuine questions of a wide audience from time to time, hoping to get some
genuine responses instead of the type of response that you posted.
Craig.

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Keep YerSpam - 01 Jun 2006 21:15 GMT
<<<snip>>>
> Craig.
Well from a professional web designer's viewpoint:
Anyone who claims to be the source of a revolutionary new auto-related
product who:
1. buys a cheap "X-box fan oriented" Flash template and
2. doesn't even take the time to replace the goofy little robot pictures
designed to appeal to teenage boys in their "Products" section of the
website with pictures of - oh, I don't know - maybe their PRODUCTS ...
... is not to be taken seriously.
Another thing to consider, this is supposed to be a product to enhance
performance & reliability of a motor vehicle. The Flash intro (which is
waaaaayy too long) shows some stupid walking bipod robot growling at you
and stomping up to the front of the stage/screen. They must expect their
taget audience are mostly 12 year old boys who spend 4 hours or more a
day in front of video games listening to heavy metal. Beevis & Butthead
come to mind, not an independant distributor of automotive products.
Anybody notice all the little bolts, gears & miscellaneous small parts
laying around & bouncing about while the robot walks?
Did those parts fall off or out of the robot? They look like it.
Does this inspire confidence in the product's ability to do 1% of what
it's supposed to do?
Looks like a moronic website designed to attract little kids.
Are they owned by "Dumb & Dumber, Inc". LOL
Cheers,
- JJ
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 02 Jun 2006 09:29 GMT
>Another thing to consider, this is supposed to be a product to enhance
>performance & reliability of a motor vehicle. The Flash intro (which is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>day in front of video games listening to heavy metal. Beevis & Butthead
>come to mind, not an independant distributor of automotive products.
He he well yeah I thought the flash intro was something you'd design as an
offshoot from something like Doom or any of that genre of PC game. 8-) Flash
(in more ways that one) and basically crap. 8-)
>Anybody notice all the little bolts, gears & miscellaneous small parts
>laying around & bouncing about while the robot walks?
>Did those parts fall off or out of the robot? They look like it.
>Does this inspire confidence in the product's ability to do 1% of what
>it's supposed to do?
Perhaps Citroen lent them an early-production C4 to play with? 8-) That's a
car that likes to make out it's got a life of it's own.. lol But I'd much
prefer a C4 over any crud built by GM (including some of the GM-influenced
Saab's such as the Ford Festiva lookalike called the NG900's).
>Looks like a moronic website designed to attract little kids.
>Are they owned by "Dumb & Dumber, Inc". LOL
Something you'd work on at 2 am when wired on plenty of jolt cola.
Craig.

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Paul Hovnanian P.E. - 05 Jun 2006 01:08 GMT
> I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
> is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> my fuel economy by 20%. If you are not interested, just don't respond to this email and
> since I have not saved your email address, you will not hear from me again.
Don't believe him. You WILL hear from him again!
> Hope you are having a great day;
That's probably a lie as well.

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