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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Maintenance and Repair / June 2006

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Cost of a transmission FLUSH?

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Moochie - 02 Jun 2006 17:03 GMT
I was wondering how much I should expect to pay for a transmission
fluid flush (not a drain).  I'm talking about when they completely
remove all the old fluid and replace it with new fluid, as opposed to
just draining and re-filling.  I've got a 1998 Honda Accord LX 4-cyc
with 72K miles.

I was quoted a price of $220 from a mechanic I trust, but just wanted
to make sure.
* - 02 Jun 2006 17:32 GMT
Moochie <moochie98@lycos.com> wrote in article
<1149264219.158608.87270@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
> I was wondering how much I should expect to pay for a transmission
> fluid flush (not a drain).  I'm talking about when they completely
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I was quoted a price of $220 from a mechanic I trust, but just wanted
> to make sure.

So you would RATHER have them flush ALL your fluid through the filter
without replacing it as opposed to dropping the pan, adjusting the bands,
changing the filter and putting in new fluid?????

Takes all kinds...............
Don - 02 Jun 2006 19:26 GMT
>Moochie <moochie98@lycos.com> wrote in article
><1149264219.158608.87270@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>So you would RATHER have them flush ALL your fluid through the filter
>without replacing it as opposed to dropping the pan,
This transmission does not have a pan.  
> adjusting the bands,
I highly doubt it needs bands adjusted either.
>changing the filter
No serviceable filter either.
> and putting in new fluid?????
Last part sounds good.
I would just drain and fill on my car.

Don
www.donsautomotive.com

>Takes all kinds...............
HLS@nospam.nix - 02 Jun 2006 20:04 GMT
> I was wondering how much I should expect to pay for a transmission
> fluid flush (not a drain).  I'm talking about when they completely
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I was quoted a price of $220 from a mechanic I trust, but just wanted
> to make sure.

Some of us on this group do not like the idea of a flush very much.  I
wouldn't
have it done under normal circumstances, personally.

Without knowing the specifics, I think you are getting humped at the $220
level.

But I strongly recommend that you have the tranny serviced according to
Honda specifications and intervals.  Since some models did not have filters,
etc,
when Honda says to service the tranny,  you should service the tranny.
nomad4x@yahoo.com - 02 Jun 2006 20:30 GMT
I would pay nothing for it unless you are having an
obvious tranny problem. 72K is nothing. If it isn't
broke, don't let them screw with it. The only drivers
I have ever known that actually ended up with
transmission problems are those that had it
previously "serviced"...

M...

> I was wondering how much I should expect to pay for a transmission
> fluid flush (not a drain).  I'm talking about when they completely
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I was quoted a price of $220 from a mechanic I trust, but just wanted
> to make sure.
Kruse - 02 Jun 2006 23:40 GMT
> I would pay nothing for it unless you are having an
> obvious tranny problem. 72K is nothing. If it isn't
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> M...

Well, if the warranty says to have your tranny serviced at a certain
time or mileage, it's best to do it or your warranty might be void. Of
course this car may be out of warranty. I think there are power flushes
that can hurt a transmission, especially the machines that "force" the
fluid into the transmission. A lot of flushes hook up to the cooler
line and you let the pressure of the cooler line do the flush. No
matter what you do for service, you should do a filter change when the
schedule calls for it. Once again, if your car actually does have a
tranny filter.
HLS@nospam.nix - 03 Jun 2006 02:41 GMT
> I would pay nothing for it unless you are having an
> obvious tranny problem. 72K is nothing. If it isn't
> broke, don't let them screw with it. The only drivers
> I have ever known that actually ended up with
> transmission problems are those that had it
> previously "serviced"...

Respectfully, this is bad advice from someone who obviously doesn't
know sh.t about Hondas.
Don - 03 Jun 2006 06:25 GMT
>> I would pay nothing for it unless you are having an
>> obvious tranny problem. 72K is nothing. If it isn't
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Respectfully, this is bad advice from someone who obviously doesn't
>know sh.t about Hondas.

Honda service is a major part of my shop's business and I would have
to agree with you.

Don
www.donsautomotive.com
mike.frankl@gmail.com - 03 Jun 2006 17:50 GMT
I never understood why people are falling for the transmission flush
scam. The tranny doesnt get any outside contaminents, like motor oil.
Stealerships are experts at this. They are now telling sucker, er I
mean, people to get preventative brake system flushes and power
steering  flushes, even when its not needed...costing between $200-300
each.  The last time I changed my trans fluid, I threw in 6 oz of
Sea-Foam Trans-tune, drove around for 100 miles, then drained &
refilled. Worked great. If I were you, I'd start shopping for a new
mechanic.

> I was wondering how much I should expect to pay for a transmission
> fluid flush (not a drain).  I'm talking about when they completely
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I was quoted a price of $220 from a mechanic I trust, but just wanted
> to make sure.
HLS@nospam.nix - 03 Jun 2006 18:55 GMT
> I never understood why people are falling for the transmission flush
> scam.

In general, I agree with you.  The power flush is, IMHO, a marketing ploy
which appeals to some people.

. They are now telling sucker, er I
> mean, people to get preventative brake system flushes and power
> steering  flushes, even when its not needed...costing between $200-300
> each.

I tend to agree with your comments about the power steering flush.¨

Brakes can be a different matter.  Brake fluid is not an oil, and can pick
up water,
over time.  Corrosion can become a real issue.  ¨

Now, in a lot of systems, you change your pads or shoes often enough,
followed
by a bleeding, that your system stays clean.  If not, you would be wise to
bleed
the old fluid out ever 2-3 years.

I have a car with a Teves system, and I cannot risk corrosion.  The Teves
master cylinder costs about $2800 new, and rebuilts are still in the range
of $1000-2000.

I change brake fluid religiously ever two years.  I do it myself, so the
cost is minimal.
If the Teves goes out, I will either junk the car, or convert to an ordinary
power brake system.
mike.frankl@gmail.com - 06 Jun 2006 15:52 GMT
> Brakes can be a different matter.  Brake fluid is not an oil, and can pick
> up water,
> over time.  Corrosion can become a real issue.  ¨

Brake fluid is not an oil? Isn't it a thin oil?
Don - 07 Jun 2006 04:10 GMT
>> Brakes can be a different matter.  Brake fluid is not an oil, and can pick
>> up water,
>> over time.  Corrosion can become a real issue.  ¨
>
>Brake fluid is not an oil? Isn't it a thin oil?

It's in the alcohol family.

Don
www.donsautomotive.com
HLS@nospam.nix - 11 Jun 2006 13:23 GMT
HLS@nospam.nix wrote:
> Brakes can be a different matter.  Brake fluid is not an oil, and can pick
> up water,
> over time.  Corrosion can become a real issue.  ¨

Brake fluid is not an oil? Isn't it a thin oil?

Nope, not an oil at all.  It is more related to the polyglycol family, a
relative of antifreeze
glycols.   They are hydroscopic, meaning they will pick up water from the
air, will dissolve
in water.

There are some silicone fluids that have been used for brake fluids, but
these not the norm.
* - 13 Jun 2006 21:28 GMT
HLS@nospam.nix wrote in article
<gXTig.95021$H71.68555@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>...
>  They are hydroscopic, meaning they will pick up water from the
> air, will dissolve
> in water.

The word is hy*G*roscopic......

Hydroscopic means something else..........
Ken - 04 Jun 2006 00:58 GMT
> I never understood why people are falling for the transmission flush
> scam. The tranny doesnt get any outside contaminents, like motor oil.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> > I was quoted a price of $220 from a mechanic I trust, but just wanted
> > to make sure.

Brake Fluid flush is definately a good thing as the fluid absorbs
moisture from the air and moisture in the system lowers the boiling
point of the fluid and effectiveness of the braking system.  Moisture
in the system also causes premature corrosion to the parts.  Anyone
whoever replaced a master cylinder or frozen caliper or corroded brake
line realizes this.  Transmission flush is also a preventive service.
Although the trans fluid is sealed and may not have outside
contaminants it will still break down due to heat and friction and
leave tiny shavings of metal within the transmission.  The first trans
fluid flush for each car varies but once performed should recur every 2
- 3 years.  The price that your mechanic quoted you is the price
calculated for him to make a reasonable profit.  Each shop may have a
different price for a trans service based on their business model.
Many places will offer the lost leader service to get your car in their
bay then attempt at winning additional repair or maintenance work thru
recommendations.  It is best to have one shop that you trust and give
all the services to him than to segment all your services to the lowest
price.  Technicians invest a lot of time and money into tools and
ongoing education so they can effectively and accurately take care of
your vehicle.  A $200 trans flush today will save you $2000 + to R&R in
the future.  The R&R of the transmission will also leave you without
your car for a much longer period of time which is more of an
inconvenience than preventing it for $200.  Take your technicians lead
and stick to a solid preventive maintenance plan.
Kruse - 04 Jun 2006 03:33 GMT
 A $200 trans flush today will save you $2000 + to R&R in
> the future.  The R&R of the transmission will also leave you without
> your car for a much longer period of time which is more of an
> inconvenience than preventing it for $200.  Take your technicians lead
> and stick to a solid preventive maintenance plan.

(snipped to save space)
Yea, a flush will get a higher percentage of your oil replaced verses a
do-it-yourself fluid
change, but you don't change the filter with a dealership flush. Maybe
a new filter isn't always needed, but if you are going to spend the
money I'd say to get the filter replaced also.......
Ken - 05 Jun 2006 12:15 GMT
>   A $200 trans flush today will save you $2000 + to R&R in
> > the future.  The R&R of the transmission will also leave you without
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> a new filter isn't always needed, but if you are going to spend the
> money I'd say to get the filter replaced also.......

Not sure what dealership procedure is, probably different at each one.
One of the posts mentioned that the particular honda did not have a
filter, but I agree any system flush should involve a filter
replacement if applicable.  Because the powerflush is now available,
dealerships may not include filter replacement as it introduces new
variables and liabilities in which a certified tech needs to perform
the service instead of the lube tech or apprentice.
E Meyer - 06 Jun 2006 15:35 GMT
Honda specifically recommends against flushing their automatics.  Just drain
and fill; check it; if its still dirty, do it again.  Also, there is no
replaceable filter on a Honda.  They have (inaccessible) screens in the
passageways throughout the innards.

On 6/3/06 11:50 AM, in article
1149353416.678859.327240@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com,

> I never understood why people are falling for the transmission flush
> scam. The tranny doesnt get any outside contaminents, like motor oil.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>> I was quoted a price of $220 from a mechanic I trust, but just wanted
>> to make sure.
Marsh Monster - 03 Jun 2006 21:16 GMT
> I was wondering how much I should expect to pay for a transmission
> fluid flush (not a drain).  I'm talking about when they completely
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I was quoted a price of $220 from a mechanic I trust, but just wanted
> to make sure.

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It's my experience that it "can" run around $1800 to $2200,
so that is what you should "expect" on the high side.

Fact, not Fiction.

~:~
MarshMonster
~lights a smoke.....expects a short life span~
~:~
 
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