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I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read in a book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but used three separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it's not then what did they do? it's just a question i've been wondering about and anybody who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated Thomas <fuji_muji@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:_GVWc.14626$_H5.483029 @news20.bellglobal.com: > I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read in a > book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but used three > separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another > for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it's not then what > did they do? it's just a question i've been wondering about and anybody > who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated It was the Model T. There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot brake. The 'clutch' pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up, one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing top gear, then used 'brake' as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched, then pushed the reverse pedal. The Model A that followed had a gear shift lever. Ron > Thomas <fuji_muji@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:_GVWc.14626$_H5.483029 > @news20.bellglobal.com: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Ron Another feature with the Ford model "T" was that if you had a real steep hill to climb, you had to do it in reverse. That was because the fuel tank was in front of the windshield and the fuel was a gravity feed to the carburetor. Going up a very steep hill would run the carb out of gas. My dad used to have a model "T" and told me about the three floor medals and the hill climbing he would do with the "T". Those were interesting times. > > Thomas <fuji_muji@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:_GVWc.14626$_H5.483029 > > @news20.bellglobal.com: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > medals and the hill climbing he would do with the "T". Those were > interesting times. Sorry, your answer is only 50% correct. Yes, they backed up steep hills so the gravity feed would keep gas in the carb. The tank was under the seat and there was no fuel pump. Harry K >> > Thomas <fuji_muji@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:_GVWc.14626$_H5.483029 >> > @news20.bellglobal.com: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >Harry K After you finish fighting over that (both locations are correct depending on year) the other 50% of the reason was because reverse was the highest ratio gear available. I have a webcam in the tropics http://ii.net/~farmerjim/ "Jim Vatunz" <rot13.snezrewvz@vvarg.arg.nh> wrote in message > After you finish fighting over that (both locations are correct > depending on year) the other 50% of the reason was because reverse was > the highest ratio gear available. That'd be the *lowest* :) -- Regards, Noddy. > "Jim Vatunz" <rot13.snezrewvz@vvarg.arg.nh> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That'd be the *lowest* :) maybe it's semantics? the highest _ratio_ , i.e. the lowest gear?  SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au >> "Jim Vatunz" <rot13.snezrewvz@vvarg.arg.nh> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >maybe it's semantics? the highest _ratio_ , i.e. the lowest gear? Yeah, once i started typing i knew i'd never say what i meant without causing more confusion. Maybe if i said that reverse was a lower gear than 1st. I have a webcam in the tropics http://ii.net/~farmerjim/ > >> > Thomas <fuji_muji@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:_GVWc.14626$_H5.483029 > >> > @news20.bellglobal.com: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > I have a webcam in the tropics > http://ii.net/~farmerjim/ Thanks, I wasn't aware of that never having seen one other than under the seat and really haven't done much reading other than casual on the T. Harry K > Thomas <fuji_muji@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:_GVWc.14626$_H5.483029 > @news20.bellglobal.com: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > top gear, then used 'brake' as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched, > then pushed the reverse pedal. <supercilious> Actually, the first ones had only two pedals; the foot brake (which I think operated on the driveshaft rather than directly on the wheels) was added to later models. </supercilious> Signature-Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors. > I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read in a > book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but used three > separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another > for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it's not then what > did they do? it's just a question i've been wondering about and anybody > who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated Nope, that would be the Model *T* (1908-1927) The model T used a planetary transmission that had 2 forward gears and one reverse. It was foot controlled somewhat like a motorcycle, with three pedals poking out through the floorboards that operated the gearbox. One pedal controlled the clutch and forward ratio's, one the reverse gear and the third pedal actuated a brake band within the gearbox itself (the T had no wheel brakes at all). I was fortunate enough to drive an original T some years ago on a farm, and it was an interesting experience to say the least :) The throttle was controlled by a lever on the steering wheel, and you set that to the rpm you wanted, and moved the ignition timing lever to a position were the engine sounded best. Next, you stabbed the "C" pedal to the floor quickly to engage first gear and hold the clutch out, and then released it slightly to let in the clutch and get moving. Once you were off you had to hold the pedal there until you were ready to shift into top gear, in which case you released the pedal completely and the car banged itself into high and chugged along. Stopping was as interesting as getting going, as the brake band was pissweak. You stepped on the "B" pedal as hard as you could to slow down while holding the "C" pedal to the floor, and with your third leg you stood on the "R" pedal if it was an emergency :) It seems completely foreign by today's standards, but back in 1908 there weren't all that many cars to be used to, so learning to drive the T was no different to learning to drive anything of today. It was also an extremely popular car in it's time, and most people of the period knew how to operate one, even though other cars existed with "conventional" transmissions. The model A Ford appeared in 1928, and was equipped with a conventional 3 speed stick shift transmission. -- Regards, Noddy. >> I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read >> in a book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > The model A Ford appeared in 1928, and was equipped with a > conventional 3 speed stick shift transmission. WOW! Noddy, you got that one correct :-) Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N, 1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? > Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, > 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N, > 1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, > that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? What about them exactly? -- Regards, Noddy. "Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in news:412c4827$1 @dnews.tpgi.com.au: >> Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, >> 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N, >> 1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, >> that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? > > What about them exactly? Transmissions, Noddy ? > Transmissions, Noddy ? I don't know, I'd have to look them up. A "T" is the earliest car I've ever driven, and a pretty rooted one at that. I've never even *seen* the other things in the flesh, let alone know what they run. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Transmissions, Noddy ? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I've never even *seen* the other things in the flesh, let alone know > what they run. Mostly twin cylinder motors with two speed transmissions. The K with a six was a dud, too expensive. Andre has some nice pics and info on the early Fords. http://www.ritzsite.net/FORD_1/02_eford.htm Ron > > Transmissions, Noddy ? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I've never even *seen* the other things in the flesh, let alone know what > they run. Well, earlier in the post you claimed knowledge that what the original question was about was the Model T. However, as you have no idea what the pre-Model T vehicles had, you might have to eat a sh.t sandwich and apologise for being an arrogant twerp. You should have said "it might be the Model T you are thinking of". pre-Model T may well have had gear pedals the same as the Model T. > Well, earlier in the post you claimed knowledge that > what the original question was about was the Model T. I did, as that's the car the original poster's question sounded like it was referring to. > However, as you have no idea what the pre-Model T vehicles had, you might > have > to eat a sh.t sandwich and apologise for being an arrogant twerp. Oh really? It was obvious to me (and most other people) that he was referring to the model T, as it's the most widely known of the early model Ford's. Also being in Australia, he's about as likely to have seen or heard about the pre 1908 models as he is to have flown the space shuttle. > You should have said > "it might be the Model T you are thinking of". I don't think so, but thanks for playing. > pre-Model T may well have had gear pedals the same as the Model T. Oh, so you're telling me off but don't know yourself. Classic :) -- Regards, Noddy. >"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in news:412c4827$1 >@dnews.tpgi.com.au: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Transmissions, Noddy ? How about the TT then? You forgot to mention it Ron. :) -- John H >>"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in news:412c4827$1 >>@dnews.tpgi.com.au: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > John H The dear old Truck :-) No missed that :-) >> How about the TT then? >> You forgot to mention it Ron. :) > >The dear old Truck :-) >No missed that :-) Only in USA I think. Australia had the TT car -- which I presume was a factory built hybrid that had at least some Model A running gear under a Model T body and which would have sold concurrently with the Model A. I have no idea how many were built and I'm pretty sure the only one I've ever seen had a Model A transmission with the handbrake lever next to the driver's door (same as a '28 Model A). IIRC it also had a Model A dash, and definitely had Model A wheels. I doubt if the TT truck would ever have been seen here as car production only began in 1925. Prior to that they were imported as a rolling chassis and the bodies were built by various body builders in various styles. At the end of factory production in 1927 there were obviously a lot of Model T body bits left over, which is probably where the TT came in.... It's common to see factory Model A commercials (light trucks, pickups, buckboards, or whatever you might call them) with model T panels -- rear guards (fenders) in particular. -- John H > >> I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read > >> in a book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > 1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S, > that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ? I would guess that the S might have had the same type of transmission, as it was quite similar to the T. The original A probably had some rubber-belt contraption. I think examples of each might be owned by the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. I know I've seen models S, K, and A there. Signature-Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors. >> Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, >> 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. I know I've seen models S, K, and A > there. The A was a chain driven two speed, powered by a twin cylinder engine. The following ones had a differentials. Model B had a 4 cylinder motor, Model C was an update of A, F was the last of the twin cylinder, two speed models. K replaced B with a six. The N and R had 4 cyl motors and looked very similar to the T, except they had 2 speed transmissions. The last of the two speeds was the Model S, which was almost identical to the Model T. The Model T was the first with a 3 speed. > >> Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, > >> 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > The Model T was the first with a 3 speed. Are you sure on that? I thought the 3 pedals were for low/high, reverse, and brake, and there were only 2 speeds. Signature-Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors. >> >> Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B, >> >> 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Are you sure on that? I thought the 3 pedals were for low/high, > reverse, and brake, and there were only 2 speeds. Sorry, you are correct. I was thinking of the pedals, The A that followed the T was the first 3 speed, using a gear lever. I'm not sure how the earlier Fords with the twin pedals worked. <snip> > Sorry, you are correct. I was thinking of the pedals, The A that followed > the T was the first 3 speed, using a gear lever. I'm not sure how the > earlier Fords with the twin pedals worked. I think the difference was the foot brake; the early ones had only a handbrake. Signature-Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors. ya, model t, sorry >>I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read in a >>book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but used three [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. >> I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read in a >> book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but used three [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. Great answer and very accurate. You reminded me of the first time I drove a T as well. The experience was sure one to behold. Luggy > I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read in a > book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but used three > separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another > for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it's not then what > did they do? it's just a question i've been wondering about and anybody > who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated No, the Model A (the second one, that is, the one from the '30s) had a conventional 3-speed stickshift trans, you are thinking of the Model T, which did indeed have a 2-speed pedal operated planetary transmission. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read in a > book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but used three > separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another > for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it's not then what > did they do? it's just a question i've been wondering about and anybody > who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated no, the model A copied the XD falcon design. > no, the model A copied the XD falcon design. I'm simply stunned that, of all the other posters to this thread, you seem to have added the *least* and your best turn of a phrase involved defecation on a bun. Congratulations, I guess ... -- C.R. Krieger (Who knows that HFI never learned to drive a stickshift car.) you're thinking of the model 't'. the model 'a' had a common 3-speed and reverse stick. (i've owned and repaired them in the forties.) the 't' had the pedals. they operated on band type clutches with planetary gearsets. sammm Signaturetoys: diesel BMW motorcycle, homebuilt electric motorcycle, gold wing trike, honda gyros, dodge diesel dualie, fiat osca 1500 cabriolet, W3CYO/R, 145.49, 224.40, 443.300 mhz. repeaters. >I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read in a >book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but used three >separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another for >a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it's not then what did >they do? it's just a question i've been wondering about and anybody who can >at least attempt answer this is appreciated |
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