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'Middle lane hogging' is Law of the Jungle

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donquijote1954 - 08 Feb 2005 18:22 GMT
While England has a problem with lane discipline, they are talking
about it. America has a crisis but chooses a different approach: Ignore
it.

Survival of the fittest. Size matters. Might makes right. Welcome to
the Jungle... ;)

'Middle lane hogging' problem exposed

Seven hundred miles of motorway are being lost due to poor lane
discipline, according to new figures launched by the RAC Foundation as
part of National Motorway Month.

Researchers for the National Motorway Month campaign conducted a
nationwide survey of 15,000 vehicles measuring tailgating and lane
discipline in July. From this survey, the RAC Foundation estimates that
'middle-lane hogs' and 'outside lane-blockers' are wasting up
to one-third of motorway capacity in peak periods, due to poor lane
discipline. This 700 miles 'lost' is equivalent to the distance
from Aberdeen to Penzance.

The police have the power to pull over motorists for poor lane
discipline and also can prosecute if they consider a driver's
behaviour amounts to inconsiderate driving. With an 11 per cent
decrease in traffic police in England and Wales since 1997, however,
and a lack of visible police presence on the motorways, many motorists
are left to get away with their selfish 'lane-hogging' behaviour.

Also identified during the survey was the problem of "phantom traffic
jams" caused by red light braking. Often poor lane discipline leads to
vehicles tailgating. Any slight incident such as changing lanes, or
leaving the motorway, may force a tailgating motorist to hit the brakes
hard. This can produce a red light (brake light) domino effect with all
the subsequent cars braking hard until they eventually come to a
standstill. This creates a phantom traffic jam although there is no
accident or hold-up other than that caused by excessive braking.

Today the RAC Foundation is calling for drivers not to hog the middle
and outside lanes, and to pull over to the left-hand lane when not
over-taking, as suggested in the Highway Code. The Foundation is also
urging drivers to keep their distance from the car in front, in order
to avoid causing phantom traffic jams through unnecessary red-light
braking.

In 1995 the message 'Don't hog the middle lane' appeared on
Variable Message Signs (VMS) over some motorways as part of an RAC
Courtesy campaign. The problem of poor lane discipline today is even
worse with increasing traffic levels, and more congested motorways. The
RAC Foundation is encouraged by the recent commitment of the Highways
Agency to pilot 'Don't hog the middle-lane' VMS messages on the
motorways and the Scottish Executive's continuing use of the signs to
encourage better lane discipline.

A recent RAC Foundation survey has shown that poor lane discipline is
in the top five annoying motorway-driving habits. The full list is:

1. Tailgaters - over 40 per cent of drivers are guilty of tailgating
on the motorways. This is annoying to other drivers and dangerous as it
limits motorists' ability to react to events ahead.

2. Middle-lane hoggers - one-third of motorway capacity is lost due
to poor-lane discipline. This frustrating behaviour is a major cause of
road-rage on motorways.

3. Non-indicators - people who don't use their indicators to signal
their intentions are both a nuisance and a danger to other motorists.

4. Swoopers - who cut across lanes with little regard for other
motorists.

5. Chatterboxes - who talk on hand-held mobile phones while driving.
Despite being banned, the Foundation's traffic survey found this is
still common practice.

http://www.carnetnews.co.uk/features/story1318.html

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mjt - 08 Feb 2005 16:03 GMT
> 1. Tailgaters - over 40 per cent of drivers are guilty of tailgating
> on the motorways. This is annoying to other drivers and dangerous as it
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Despite being banned, the Foundation's traffic survey found this is
> still common practice.

... here in houston, tx, usa, we get folks that drive
slow in the left lane while tailgating, then at the last
second, they swoop off the freeway without signaling
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Allen Seth Dunn - 08 Feb 2005 22:45 GMT
>> 1. Tailgaters - over 40 per cent of drivers are guilty of tailgating
>> on the motorways. This is annoying to other drivers and dangerous as it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> to poor-lane discipline. This frustrating behaviour is a major cause of
>> road-rage on motorways.

A lot of people do this for one of two reasons: 1) The acceleration lanes on
on-ramps are too short and subsequently, traffic cannot get up to highway
speed before merging. or 2) Many roads where number one isn't a problem have
to deal with stupid drivers who don't merge to highway speed (or at least
the speed limit) in the acceleration lanes. As a result, many drivers just
decide it is easier to go the speed limit in the middle lane as opposed to
having to slow down to ten below the speed limit at every interchange they
pass. Is it right? Well as much as it may not be the best thing to do, at
least there is a way for other traffic to pass those go the speed limit in
the middle lane.

>> 3. Non-indicators - people who don't use their indicators to signal
>> their intentions are both a nuisance and a danger to other motorists.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> Despite being banned, the Foundation's traffic survey found this is
>> still common practice.

What a surprise. I know that I am opening a can of worms by saying this, but
banning cell phones while driving is just like banning guns in order to
reduce crime. It just doesn't work.

> ... here in houston, tx, usa, we get folks that drive
> slow in the left lane while tailgating, then at the last
> second, they swoop off the freeway without signaling
donquijote1954 - 09 Feb 2005 05:07 GMT
> >> 1. Tailgaters - over 40 per cent of drivers are guilty of tailgating
> >> on the motorways. This is annoying to other drivers and dangerous as it
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> least there is a way for other traffic to pass those go the speed limit in
> the middle lane.

Slow drivers on any lane other than the right lane cause zigzaging and
chaos. Another definition for the Law of the Jungle.

> >> 3. Non-indicators - people who don't use their indicators to signal
> >> their intentions are both a nuisance and a danger to other motorists.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> banning cell phones while driving is just like banning guns in order to
> reduce crime. It just doesn't work.

What we got doesn't work. Everything else pales by comparison. Talking
on the phone should amount to reckless driving and I bet you it can be
more dangerous than moderate DUI.
Tex John - 09 Feb 2005 17:03 GMT
> ... here in houston, tx, usa, we get folks that drive
> slow in the left lane while tailgating, then at the last
> second, they swoop off the freeway without signaling

Everyone knows it is insane to use your blinker in Houston! If you do, you
alert the guy behind the whole you are about to pull into so he knows to
pull up and block it!

I just moved back to Houston from Austin and am having to relearn that. My
wife from Austin gets seriously agitated. My grandad from Dallas quit
driving to Houston when he got 'old.'

And the one about Chinese signs: we got some. All the street signs are also
in Chinese in our China Town suburb...not to be confused with the original
China Town downtown!

I drive an old pickup and noted I was almost hitting someone every day after
I moved back here and that every time it was someone on a cell phone cutting
me off or slamming on their brakes almost too late to turn or... Staying
further back doesn't help; I just get more people cutting in front of me
without using a blinker. Texas decided not to pass the law about hands-free
cell phones...not that I hear it is helping anywhere else it did go through.

John
in Houston
Patrick Lee Humphrey - 09 Feb 2005 17:29 GMT
>> ... here in houston, tx, usa, we get folks that drive
>> slow in the left lane while tailgating, then at the last
>> second, they swoop off the freeway without signaling

>Everyone knows it is insane to use your blinker in Houston! If you do, you
>alert the guy behind the whole you are about to pull into so he knows to
>pull up and block it!

Funny, I've been a resident of Baghdad on the Bayou since 1965, and a licensed
driver since 1971 (got my TDL at the old DPS station in Sharpstown, a block
and a half from where I live now), and I've been using my turn signals for
going on 34 years...and I've yet to have been involved in an accident
resulting from either my use of the signal or someone else's ignorance of it.
(Even at the inbound 59 exit to the West Loop, which is still the home of the
four-lane dash across inbound 59 to exit onto the Loop, after all these
years.)

>I just moved back to Houston from Austin and am having to relearn that. My
>wife from Austin gets seriously agitated. My grandad from Dallas quit
>driving to Houston when he got 'old.'

If you've survived Austin, Houston ought to be a relief in some respects.  (No
cliffs along Shoal Creek, for starters, and no *&^%$#@! 19th Street by UT.
Then again, we've got Metrorail up South Main from Wheeler up to UHD, so maybe
that's a wash. :-)

>And the one about Chinese signs: we got some. All the street signs are also
>in Chinese in our China Town suburb...not to be confused with the original
>China Town downtown!

Sounds like you're in the west edge of Sharpstown, where we lived when we got
married back in 1990...the signs out there started popping up around that
time.  (I don't know what particular dialect was used, but in one of them,
Clarewood was translated by two ideographs that were pronounced Wu De.)

>I drive an old pickup and noted I was almost hitting someone every day after
>I moved back here and that every time it was someone on a cell phone cutting
>me off or slamming on their brakes almost too late to turn or... Staying
>further back doesn't help; I just get more people cutting in front of me
>without using a blinker. Texas decided not to pass the law about hands-free
>cell phones...not that I hear it is helping anywhere else it did go through.

That's one thing that might have helped -- it's a rare day I *don't* encounter
someone wobbling around on a freeway or major street with their ear glued to a
cellular.  That's one reason I've stayed with a landline all these years --
when I'm on the road, I'm driving from one point to another, and I don't need
that distraction.

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mjt - 09 Feb 2005 12:41 GMT
>>"mjt" <mjtobler@removethis_mail.ru> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> driver since 1971 (got my TDL at the old DPS station in Sharpstown, a block
> and a half from where I live now),

... i was borne and lived, for the first 12 years, on Leader St
(a few houses from the water tower).   my parents bought that
house in '57 and say that that whole area was FIELDS back then.
the ONLY road was Bellaire and they had to drive far east to
go shopping for anything.  in '72, i took my driving test at
the same DPS station - pull out of the station and go around
the block :)     when Sharpstown Mall was announced, Houstonians
were confused about an "indoor, air conditioned mall" might be.
(maybe since the first one in America was built in 1954).
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pinckney02@hotmail.com - 08 Feb 2005 19:18 GMT
> 2. Middle-lane hoggers - one-third of motorway capacity is lost due
> to poor-lane discipline. This frustrating behaviour is a major cause of
> road-rage on motorways.

Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country?
Paul Calman - 08 Feb 2005 19:26 GMT
> Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country?

That depends on what "this" country is.
Hogging the left lane is illegal in California, but they don't enforce it.
It's more fun to promote road-rage, I guess. In Oregon they will write a
citation.
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Darren Stuart Embry - 08 Feb 2005 22:49 GMT
[misc.transport.road, etc.] On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:26:42 -0800, Paul
Calman <spam@trap.com> wrote:

> Hogging the left lane is illegal in California,

And in any state that has the white "KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS" or
"SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT" signs, etc., as those signs are
*regulatory*.

> but they don't enforce it.

That's also true of most states.  :(

Also when I think of "middle lane" I think of the middle lane of a set
of eastbound lanes at least three lanes wide, for example.  The other
lanes are the "right lane" or "left lane" of course.

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donquijote1954 - 09 Feb 2005 05:10 GMT
> [misc.transport.road, etc.] On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:26:42 -0800, Paul
> Calman <spam@trap.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> [rec.motorcycles removed from followups]

Yet they are the first victims of the Law of the Jungle.
donquijote1954 - 09 Feb 2005 04:56 GMT
> > Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country?
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Isn't California country the Wild West?

"I can't pretend that bad driving is indigenous to or even unique to
California (far from it), but it does seem to have much more than its
fair share of lethally stupid, maliciously reckless, or just plain
careless drivers. The sad fact about the worst California Drivers is
that, as readers keep pointing out, they have all the attitude of the
average Boston or New York driver, and none of the ability..."

http://www.caldrive.com/habits.html
Timberwoof - 09 Feb 2005 05:18 GMT
> > > Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> http://www.caldrive.com/habits.html

Part of the reason for California's style of driving is that people come from
all over the place, with lots of different driving traditions. Everything from
the strict German approach in which driver training allows some small towns to
get away safely without traffic controls of any kind to the laid-back Southeast
Asian approach which considers street signs to be suggestions.

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donquijote1954 - 09 Feb 2005 13:11 GMT
> > > > Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country?
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> get away safely without traffic controls of any kind to the laid-back Southeast
> Asian approach which considers street signs to be suggestions.

Have you tried having the signs in Chinese? ;)

Anyway, having driven in California I tell you it's a piece of cake. If
that's the Wild West, here in Florida we got the Jungle. Drivers here
are really into aggressive behavior that borders on terrorism, their
WMDs being their SUVs. And enforcement is nowhere to be found, other
than the usual "speed trap" on secondary streets (where several
officers congregate and hand out many tickets over a ridiculous set
speed).

Of course, this a great machinery that has become an industry,
particularly the insurance rates that eat you like a lion. It's a
jungle out there... ;)
Alan Moore - 10 Feb 2005 01:44 GMT
>> > > Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country?
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>get away safely without traffic controls of any kind to the laid-back Southeast
>Asian approach which considers street signs to be suggestions.

Yeah. My parents moved here from the midwest, although they'd been in
various locations before that while my Dad was in the service. They
used to say that California was the easiest place to drive they'd ever
seen.

It's gotten harder to drive, since I learned.  Other changes, of
course, are that kids coming of age here got actual behind-the-wheel
training in high school, and the DMV driving test has been somewhat
watered down.

Al Moore
DoD 734
donquijote1954 - 09 Feb 2005 13:27 GMT
"Remember, a significant number of Californians carry guns in their
cars, and they're just itching to use them..."

Someone coming from Europe must think that's the Wild West. The Law of
the West is the same as the Law of the Jungle, isn't it? ;)

But at least it's democractic...

"it's not going to matter how bad a driver you are or how ill-suited to
driving you might be, you're going to be out there on the roads with
everyone else."

"When it comes to sharing and conserving limited resources such as
water or road space, many Californians are likely to be totally at sea
-- for many people, especially older Californians, resources were
effectively infinite (the Government just looked after things and made
it so), and there's never been any need to notice them, let alone worry
about sharing or conserving. Few of the most irritating aspects of
Californian driving are directly about safety issues; most of them are
to do with resources -- lane hogging (there are other lanes, aren't
there? and anyway, it's my right...), not bothering to signal a turn so
that other people get blocked or can't move until it's finally clear
what you're going to do, parking badly, cutting across several lanes of
traffic, turning from the wrong lane, using huge gas-guzzling cars,
etc. All of these things tend to reflect more on a mentality that is
oblivious to real limits on resources rather than on a
particularly-Californian death wish or negligence.

Remember that for Californians, driving is not just a privilege or a
convenience, it's a natural right, up there with the right to vote or
the right to talk loudly in foreign countries. The fact is, pretty much
everyone has to drive -- in most parts of California you need a car or
at least access to one if you want a job -- and it's not going to
matter how bad a driver you are or how ill-suited to driving you might
be, you're going to be out there on the roads with everyone else.

Having said all this, Californian drivers are, on the whole, a lot more
polite and courteous while driving than their European, British, or
East Coast equivalents. Naturally, they expect you to be similarly
polite: don't cut lanes, block merges, or otherwise be as bloody-minded
as you'd be back home in London, Paris, or Manhattan. Remember, a
significant number of Californians carry guns in their cars, and
they're just itching to use them...."
Paul Calman - 09 Feb 2005 17:41 GMT
> Having said all this, Californian drivers are, on the whole, a lot more
> polite and courteous while driving than their European, British, or
> East Coast equivalents.

Except on "gun day".

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Alan Moore - 10 Feb 2005 01:45 GMT
>> Having said all this, Californian drivers are, on the whole, a lot more
>> polite and courteous while driving than their European, British, or
>> East Coast equivalents.
>
>Except on "gun day".

Ever gotten a ticket for using a .45 in a .38 zone?

Al Moore
DoD 734
Jason - 08 Feb 2005 20:05 GMT
I believe it is referring to six lane roads. The middle and right lane
in the US is for overtaking however many people drive in those lanes at
lower speeds than the rest of traffic. I know here where I live it is a
major problem, especially when semis group up across the lanes while
going about 45 in a 65 zone blocking traffic and slowing everything
waaaay down.
Bill the second - 08 Feb 2005 20:43 GMT
>I believe it is referring to six lane roads. The middle and right lane
> in the US is for overtaking however many people drive in those lanes at
> lower speeds than the rest of traffic.

In the US slow traffic is supposed to be in the right lane.

In UK, KLETP.
Jason - 08 Feb 2005 22:49 GMT
Doh, yeah got my countries mixed up, major brainfart.

Does anyone know how to make google groups automatically quote when you
reply? It keeps taking mine out.
Arif Khokar - 08 Feb 2005 22:56 GMT
> Does anyone know how to make google groups automatically quote when you
> reply? It keeps taking mine out.

Click on show options at the top of the message you wish to reply to and
click the reply link there.
donquijote1954 - 09 Feb 2005 04:53 GMT
> > 2. Middle-lane hoggers - one-third of motorway capacity is lost due
> > to poor-lane discipline. This frustrating behaviour is a major cause
> of
> > road-rage on motorways.
>
> Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country?

I guess. Though here the hog all over the place. ;)
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend - 08 Feb 2005 20:17 GMT
> The police have the power to pull over motorists for poor lane
> discipline and also can prosecute if they consider a driver's
> behaviour amounts to inconsiderate driving. With an 11 per cent
> decrease in traffic police in England and Wales since 1997, however,
> and a lack of visible police presence on the motorways, many motorists
> are left to get away with their selfish 'lane-hogging' behaviour.

Yeah but how are the cops gonna prove anything?
Larry Bud - 08 Feb 2005 21:04 GMT
> > The police have the power to pull over motorists for poor lane
> > discipline and also can prosecute if they consider a driver's
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Yeah but how are the cops gonna prove anything?

Who says cops have to prove anything?
Tim Kreitz - 08 Feb 2005 21:57 GMT
> America has a crisis but chooses a different approach: Ignore
> it.

Well of course. You see, enforcing lane discipline and eliminating
tailgating in the States would demonstrate that highway speed limits
are largely unneccesary -- and the cops and politicians don't want
that. After all, safer highways mean less revenue for the government.

Instead, they allow unskilled nincompoops in 6,000-pound SUVs to drive
like the inattentive morons they are, nabbing them in droves for going
5-over at $150 a pop. Easy money.

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Keith Schiffner - 09 Feb 2005 01:03 GMT
"donquijote1954"

Hmm, I ride GL1000 and tend to crowd those kinds
of scum bag car/suv driving scum bag off the road.
I'm doing something up close LIVE and in
person...I don't have time for the corporate
whores in Washington to do anything. I act while
they talk, people like you are "All hat and no
cattle". If I had my way...NO CARS!
Take all those mouth breathing spittle dripping
morons out of their cages and they can either ride
the bus or ride a motorcycle. Oh and get rid of
that stupid a.s NASCAR off while you're at it. Not
a single car out there is based on a stock car nor
is it driven like one...all left and almost never
a right. So...f.ck you cagers. I'm on a motorcycle
and you can't touch me.
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Paul D. DeRocco - 09 Feb 2005 21:48 GMT
> "donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> to avoid causing phantom traffic jams through unnecessary red-light
> braking.

This is nonsensical. If everyone who wasn't interested in passing
religiously moved over to the left (right in U.S.), and then insisted on
keeping the "proper" distance from the car in front, that lane would bog
down as soon as traffic reached even a moderate level. People tailgate and
occupy lanes other than the left (right) in part because there's only so
much physical room on the road.

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Timberwoof - 09 Feb 2005 22:21 GMT
> > "donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote
> >
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> occupy lanes other than the left (right) in part because there's only so
> much physical room on the road.

When traffic is light to moderate, these rules make sense. When traffic is
heavy, the rules have to be relaxed. But when when traffic is heavy, slower
traffic should keep right.

I have experienced numerous floating traffic jams caused by one car traveling in
the #1 or #2 lane (counted form the inside out) significantly more slowly than
everyone else. Had they been in the right lane, it woudl have been less of a
problem.

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donquijote1954 - 11 Feb 2005 03:01 GMT
"The lane courtesy ethic must be reinvigorated, promoted, and
recognized for the contribution it can make toward safer, faster and
more enjoyable travel."

It makes sense to me though I doubt the lion will give any priority to
these issues. Story at bottom.

'Lane Courtesy, also called Lane Discipline, has a powerful influence
on highway safety, traffic flow, and congestion. Arguably, its effect
is more important than speed limits, traffic enforcement, or any other
attempt to control driver behavior. Ask almost any motorist what most
raises their ire when using major highways and the answer will be
"failure of slower traffic to keep right or yield to the right when
faster traffic approaches."

The concept, or ethic, of lane courtesy evolved in the United States
with the development of the Interstate System. However, the concept of
slower traffic yielding to the right for faster traffic has its origins
in the older system of two lane highways. Almost all states have a
provision in their traffic law that requires slower traffic, upon being
signaled by a following vehicle, to pull to the right to allow the
faster traffic to pass.

Prior to 1973, rural speed limits reflected typical travel speeds.
Consequently, slower vehicles were not driving the speed limit and
there was no rationale for deliberately blocking the progress of faster
traffic. The 55 MPH National Maximum Speed Limit changed all that.

After 1973, there was a serious disconnect between speed limits and the
actual speed of traffic. There was also a total breakdown in lane
courtesy. The slower traffic that would normally stay in the right hand
lane could now linger anywhere on the highway, in any lane, and still
be traveling at the legal maximum speed of 55 miles per hour. This
counter productive process was reinforced over a period of 21 years,
influencing a whole generation of new drivers.

In 1995 the 55 MPH National Maximum Speed Limit was repealed and
several states raised speed limits to put the limits more in concert
with the reality of highway travel. However, the almost quarter century
habit of wallowing anywhere on the highway did not disappear with the
advent of new speed limit signs.

The lane courtesy ethic must be reinvigorated, promoted, and recognized
for the contribution it can make toward safer, faster and more
enjoyable travel. We hope the NMA's "Do the RIGHT Thing!" campaign and
declaring June as "Lane Courtesy Month" will reawaken interest and
support for this incredibly important and positive traffic safety
concept.'

http://www.motorists.com/right/releaseone.html

HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY

One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances to
drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack of
resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that it
was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite words...

Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life in
the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season the
little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the Lion
waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would have had
to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more importantly, the
little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as the quick way out
of poverty..."

And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle
--to the effect of exploring life in other planets...

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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim - 10 Feb 2005 03:32 GMT
I run people the f.ck over, my motto is get out of the damn way or get an
introduction to my shotgun, your choice.

I am tired of idiots PUTTING along in the goddamn left hand lane. If you're
not passing someone, GET THE f.ck IN THE SLOW LANE.

KILL SLOW DRIVERS.

> While England has a problem with lane discipline, they are talking
> about it. America has a crisis but chooses a different approach: Ignore
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> WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
> http://committed.to/justiceforpeace
mjt - 09 Feb 2005 22:10 GMT
> I run people the f.ck over, my motto is get out of the damn way or get an
> introduction to my shotgun, your choice.

... ooooooooooo.   the big bad a.s with the big mouth.
i'm suuuuuuurrrrrre you shotgun all those in your way.
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Paul D. DeRocco - 10 Feb 2005 07:45 GMT
> "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote
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> KILL SLOW DRIVERS.

Oh, come on, don't be so shy. Tell us what you really think.
donquijote1954 - 11 Feb 2005 02:15 GMT
> > "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote
> >
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> Oh, come on, don't be so shy. Tell us what you really think.

Today: Two older ladies going 45, holding everyone back. Then changing
lane without signal. I think their License to Kill should be suspended
and put them to tomato throwing in public place. ;)

Going back to the issue of lane discipline, this is what the government
ought to be doing not looking the other way...

"Motorway congestion could be greatly eased if the government launched
a TV and media education programme encouraging drivers to use the
leftmost lanes except when overtaking and showing them how to use the
slip roads to accelerate and slow down when entering and leaving
motorways. Too many drivers impede safe traffic flow by failing to
match their speed when entering or slowing down on the motorway instead
of using the slip road for this purpose, this is often why congestion
builds up around interchanges. Others restrict flow by staying in the
middle and outer lanes when lane 1 is virtually empty."

http://www.abd.org.uk/pr/423.htm
 
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