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'Middle lane hogging' is Law of the Jungle
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donquijote1954 - 08 Feb 2005 18:22 GMT While England has a problem with lane discipline, they are talking about it. America has a crisis but chooses a different approach: Ignore it.
Survival of the fittest. Size matters. Might makes right. Welcome to the Jungle... ;)
'Middle lane hogging' problem exposed
Seven hundred miles of motorway are being lost due to poor lane discipline, according to new figures launched by the RAC Foundation as part of National Motorway Month.
Researchers for the National Motorway Month campaign conducted a nationwide survey of 15,000 vehicles measuring tailgating and lane discipline in July. From this survey, the RAC Foundation estimates that 'middle-lane hogs' and 'outside lane-blockers' are wasting up to one-third of motorway capacity in peak periods, due to poor lane discipline. This 700 miles 'lost' is equivalent to the distance from Aberdeen to Penzance.
The police have the power to pull over motorists for poor lane discipline and also can prosecute if they consider a driver's behaviour amounts to inconsiderate driving. With an 11 per cent decrease in traffic police in England and Wales since 1997, however, and a lack of visible police presence on the motorways, many motorists are left to get away with their selfish 'lane-hogging' behaviour.
Also identified during the survey was the problem of "phantom traffic jams" caused by red light braking. Often poor lane discipline leads to vehicles tailgating. Any slight incident such as changing lanes, or leaving the motorway, may force a tailgating motorist to hit the brakes hard. This can produce a red light (brake light) domino effect with all the subsequent cars braking hard until they eventually come to a standstill. This creates a phantom traffic jam although there is no accident or hold-up other than that caused by excessive braking.
Today the RAC Foundation is calling for drivers not to hog the middle and outside lanes, and to pull over to the left-hand lane when not over-taking, as suggested in the Highway Code. The Foundation is also urging drivers to keep their distance from the car in front, in order to avoid causing phantom traffic jams through unnecessary red-light braking.
In 1995 the message 'Don't hog the middle lane' appeared on Variable Message Signs (VMS) over some motorways as part of an RAC Courtesy campaign. The problem of poor lane discipline today is even worse with increasing traffic levels, and more congested motorways. The RAC Foundation is encouraged by the recent commitment of the Highways Agency to pilot 'Don't hog the middle-lane' VMS messages on the motorways and the Scottish Executive's continuing use of the signs to encourage better lane discipline.
A recent RAC Foundation survey has shown that poor lane discipline is in the top five annoying motorway-driving habits. The full list is:
1. Tailgaters - over 40 per cent of drivers are guilty of tailgating on the motorways. This is annoying to other drivers and dangerous as it limits motorists' ability to react to events ahead.
2. Middle-lane hoggers - one-third of motorway capacity is lost due to poor-lane discipline. This frustrating behaviour is a major cause of road-rage on motorways.
3. Non-indicators - people who don't use their indicators to signal their intentions are both a nuisance and a danger to other motorists.
4. Swoopers - who cut across lanes with little regard for other motorists.
5. Chatterboxes - who talk on hand-held mobile phones while driving. Despite being banned, the Foundation's traffic survey found this is still common practice.
http://www.carnetnews.co.uk/features/story1318.html
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mjt - 08 Feb 2005 16:03 GMT > 1. Tailgaters - over 40 per cent of drivers are guilty of tailgating > on the motorways. This is annoying to other drivers and dangerous as it [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Despite being banned, the Foundation's traffic survey found this is > still common practice. ... here in houston, tx, usa, we get folks that drive slow in the left lane while tailgating, then at the last second, they swoop off the freeway without signaling
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Allen Seth Dunn - 08 Feb 2005 22:45 GMT >> 1. Tailgaters - over 40 per cent of drivers are guilty of tailgating >> on the motorways. This is annoying to other drivers and dangerous as it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> to poor-lane discipline. This frustrating behaviour is a major cause of >> road-rage on motorways. A lot of people do this for one of two reasons: 1) The acceleration lanes on on-ramps are too short and subsequently, traffic cannot get up to highway speed before merging. or 2) Many roads where number one isn't a problem have to deal with stupid drivers who don't merge to highway speed (or at least the speed limit) in the acceleration lanes. As a result, many drivers just decide it is easier to go the speed limit in the middle lane as opposed to having to slow down to ten below the speed limit at every interchange they pass. Is it right? Well as much as it may not be the best thing to do, at least there is a way for other traffic to pass those go the speed limit in the middle lane.
>> 3. Non-indicators - people who don't use their indicators to signal >> their intentions are both a nuisance and a danger to other motorists. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Despite being banned, the Foundation's traffic survey found this is >> still common practice. What a surprise. I know that I am opening a can of worms by saying this, but banning cell phones while driving is just like banning guns in order to reduce crime. It just doesn't work.
> ... here in houston, tx, usa, we get folks that drive > slow in the left lane while tailgating, then at the last > second, they swoop off the freeway without signaling donquijote1954 - 09 Feb 2005 05:07 GMT > >> 1. Tailgaters - over 40 per cent of drivers are guilty of tailgating > >> on the motorways. This is annoying to other drivers and dangerous as it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > least there is a way for other traffic to pass those go the speed limit in > the middle lane. Slow drivers on any lane other than the right lane cause zigzaging and chaos. Another definition for the Law of the Jungle.
> >> 3. Non-indicators - people who don't use their indicators to signal > >> their intentions are both a nuisance and a danger to other motorists. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > banning cell phones while driving is just like banning guns in order to > reduce crime. It just doesn't work. What we got doesn't work. Everything else pales by comparison. Talking on the phone should amount to reckless driving and I bet you it can be more dangerous than moderate DUI.
Tex John - 09 Feb 2005 17:03 GMT > ... here in houston, tx, usa, we get folks that drive > slow in the left lane while tailgating, then at the last > second, they swoop off the freeway without signaling Everyone knows it is insane to use your blinker in Houston! If you do, you alert the guy behind the whole you are about to pull into so he knows to pull up and block it!
I just moved back to Houston from Austin and am having to relearn that. My wife from Austin gets seriously agitated. My grandad from Dallas quit driving to Houston when he got 'old.'
And the one about Chinese signs: we got some. All the street signs are also in Chinese in our China Town suburb...not to be confused with the original China Town downtown!
I drive an old pickup and noted I was almost hitting someone every day after I moved back here and that every time it was someone on a cell phone cutting me off or slamming on their brakes almost too late to turn or... Staying further back doesn't help; I just get more people cutting in front of me without using a blinker. Texas decided not to pass the law about hands-free cell phones...not that I hear it is helping anywhere else it did go through.
John in Houston
Patrick Lee Humphrey - 09 Feb 2005 17:29 GMT >> ... here in houston, tx, usa, we get folks that drive >> slow in the left lane while tailgating, then at the last >> second, they swoop off the freeway without signaling
>Everyone knows it is insane to use your blinker in Houston! If you do, you >alert the guy behind the whole you are about to pull into so he knows to >pull up and block it! Funny, I've been a resident of Baghdad on the Bayou since 1965, and a licensed driver since 1971 (got my TDL at the old DPS station in Sharpstown, a block and a half from where I live now), and I've been using my turn signals for going on 34 years...and I've yet to have been involved in an accident resulting from either my use of the signal or someone else's ignorance of it. (Even at the inbound 59 exit to the West Loop, which is still the home of the four-lane dash across inbound 59 to exit onto the Loop, after all these years.)
>I just moved back to Houston from Austin and am having to relearn that. My >wife from Austin gets seriously agitated. My grandad from Dallas quit >driving to Houston when he got 'old.' If you've survived Austin, Houston ought to be a relief in some respects. (No cliffs along Shoal Creek, for starters, and no *&^%$#@! 19th Street by UT. Then again, we've got Metrorail up South Main from Wheeler up to UHD, so maybe that's a wash. :-)
>And the one about Chinese signs: we got some. All the street signs are also >in Chinese in our China Town suburb...not to be confused with the original >China Town downtown! Sounds like you're in the west edge of Sharpstown, where we lived when we got married back in 1990...the signs out there started popping up around that time. (I don't know what particular dialect was used, but in one of them, Clarewood was translated by two ideographs that were pronounced Wu De.)
>I drive an old pickup and noted I was almost hitting someone every day after >I moved back here and that every time it was someone on a cell phone cutting >me off or slamming on their brakes almost too late to turn or... Staying >further back doesn't help; I just get more people cutting in front of me >without using a blinker. Texas decided not to pass the law about hands-free >cell phones...not that I hear it is helping anywhere else it did go through. That's one thing that might have helped -- it's a rare day I *don't* encounter someone wobbling around on a freeway or major street with their ear glued to a cellular. That's one reason I've stayed with a landline all these years -- when I'm on the road, I'm driving from one point to another, and I don't need that distraction.
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mjt - 09 Feb 2005 12:41 GMT >>"mjt" <mjtobler@removethis_mail.ru> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > driver since 1971 (got my TDL at the old DPS station in Sharpstown, a block > and a half from where I live now), ... i was borne and lived, for the first 12 years, on Leader St (a few houses from the water tower). my parents bought that house in '57 and say that that whole area was FIELDS back then. the ONLY road was Bellaire and they had to drive far east to go shopping for anything. in '72, i took my driving test at the same DPS station - pull out of the station and go around the block :) when Sharpstown Mall was announced, Houstonians were confused about an "indoor, air conditioned mall" might be. (maybe since the first one in America was built in 1954).
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pinckney02@hotmail.com - 08 Feb 2005 19:18 GMT > 2. Middle-lane hoggers - one-third of motorway capacity is lost due > to poor-lane discipline. This frustrating behaviour is a major cause of > road-rage on motorways. Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country?
Paul Calman - 08 Feb 2005 19:26 GMT > Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country? That depends on what "this" country is. Hogging the left lane is illegal in California, but they don't enforce it. It's more fun to promote road-rage, I guess. In Oregon they will write a citation.
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Darren Stuart Embry - 08 Feb 2005 22:49 GMT [misc.transport.road, etc.] On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:26:42 -0800, Paul Calman <spam@trap.com> wrote:
> Hogging the left lane is illegal in California, And in any state that has the white "KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS" or "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT" signs, etc., as those signs are *regulatory*.
> but they don't enforce it. That's also true of most states. :(
Also when I think of "middle lane" I think of the middle lane of a set of eastbound lanes at least three lanes wide, for example. The other lanes are the "right lane" or "left lane" of course.
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donquijote1954 - 09 Feb 2005 05:10 GMT > [misc.transport.road, etc.] On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:26:42 -0800, Paul > Calman <spam@trap.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > [rec.motorcycles removed from followups] Yet they are the first victims of the Law of the Jungle.
donquijote1954 - 09 Feb 2005 04:56 GMT > > Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California Isn't California country the Wild West?
"I can't pretend that bad driving is indigenous to or even unique to California (far from it), but it does seem to have much more than its fair share of lethally stupid, maliciously reckless, or just plain careless drivers. The sad fact about the worst California Drivers is that, as readers keep pointing out, they have all the attitude of the average Boston or New York driver, and none of the ability..."
http://www.caldrive.com/habits.html
Timberwoof - 09 Feb 2005 05:18 GMT > > > Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country? > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.caldrive.com/habits.html Part of the reason for California's style of driving is that people come from all over the place, with lots of different driving traditions. Everything from the strict German approach in which driver training allows some small towns to get away safely without traffic controls of any kind to the laid-back Southeast Asian approach which considers street signs to be suggestions.
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donquijote1954 - 09 Feb 2005 13:11 GMT > > > > Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country? > > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > get away safely without traffic controls of any kind to the laid-back Southeast > Asian approach which considers street signs to be suggestions. Have you tried having the signs in Chinese? ;)
Anyway, having driven in California I tell you it's a piece of cake. If that's the Wild West, here in Florida we got the Jungle. Drivers here are really into aggressive behavior that borders on terrorism, their WMDs being their SUVs. And enforcement is nowhere to be found, other than the usual "speed trap" on secondary streets (where several officers congregate and hand out many tickets over a ridiculous set speed).
Of course, this a great machinery that has become an industry, particularly the insurance rates that eat you like a lion. It's a jungle out there... ;)
Alan Moore - 10 Feb 2005 01:44 GMT >> > > Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country? >> > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >get away safely without traffic controls of any kind to the laid-back Southeast >Asian approach which considers street signs to be suggestions. Yeah. My parents moved here from the midwest, although they'd been in various locations before that while my Dad was in the service. They used to say that California was the easiest place to drive they'd ever seen.
It's gotten harder to drive, since I learned. Other changes, of course, are that kids coming of age here got actual behind-the-wheel training in high school, and the DMV driving test has been somewhat watered down.
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donquijote1954 - 09 Feb 2005 13:27 GMT "Remember, a significant number of Californians carry guns in their cars, and they're just itching to use them..."
Someone coming from Europe must think that's the Wild West. The Law of the West is the same as the Law of the Jungle, isn't it? ;)
But at least it's democractic...
"it's not going to matter how bad a driver you are or how ill-suited to driving you might be, you're going to be out there on the roads with everyone else."
"When it comes to sharing and conserving limited resources such as water or road space, many Californians are likely to be totally at sea -- for many people, especially older Californians, resources were effectively infinite (the Government just looked after things and made it so), and there's never been any need to notice them, let alone worry about sharing or conserving. Few of the most irritating aspects of Californian driving are directly about safety issues; most of them are to do with resources -- lane hogging (there are other lanes, aren't there? and anyway, it's my right...), not bothering to signal a turn so that other people get blocked or can't move until it's finally clear what you're going to do, parking badly, cutting across several lanes of traffic, turning from the wrong lane, using huge gas-guzzling cars, etc. All of these things tend to reflect more on a mentality that is oblivious to real limits on resources rather than on a particularly-Californian death wish or negligence.
Remember that for Californians, driving is not just a privilege or a convenience, it's a natural right, up there with the right to vote or the right to talk loudly in foreign countries. The fact is, pretty much everyone has to drive -- in most parts of California you need a car or at least access to one if you want a job -- and it's not going to matter how bad a driver you are or how ill-suited to driving you might be, you're going to be out there on the roads with everyone else.
Having said all this, Californian drivers are, on the whole, a lot more polite and courteous while driving than their European, British, or East Coast equivalents. Naturally, they expect you to be similarly polite: don't cut lanes, block merges, or otherwise be as bloody-minded as you'd be back home in London, Paris, or Manhattan. Remember, a significant number of Californians carry guns in their cars, and they're just itching to use them...."
Paul Calman - 09 Feb 2005 17:41 GMT > Having said all this, Californian drivers are, on the whole, a lot more > polite and courteous while driving than their European, British, or > East Coast equivalents. Except on "gun day".
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Alan Moore - 10 Feb 2005 01:45 GMT >> Having said all this, Californian drivers are, on the whole, a lot more >> polite and courteous while driving than their European, British, or >> East Coast equivalents. > >Except on "gun day". Ever gotten a ticket for using a .45 in a .38 zone?
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Jason - 08 Feb 2005 20:05 GMT I believe it is referring to six lane roads. The middle and right lane in the US is for overtaking however many people drive in those lanes at lower speeds than the rest of traffic. I know here where I live it is a major problem, especially when semis group up across the lanes while going about 45 in a 65 zone blocking traffic and slowing everything waaaay down.
Bill the second - 08 Feb 2005 20:43 GMT >I believe it is referring to six lane roads. The middle and right lane > in the US is for overtaking however many people drive in those lanes at > lower speeds than the rest of traffic. In the US slow traffic is supposed to be in the right lane.
In UK, KLETP.
Jason - 08 Feb 2005 22:49 GMT Doh, yeah got my countries mixed up, major brainfart.
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donquijote1954 - 09 Feb 2005 04:53 GMT > > 2. Middle-lane hoggers - one-third of motorway capacity is lost due > > to poor-lane discipline. This frustrating behaviour is a major cause > of > > road-rage on motorways. > > Is that the equivilence of left lane hogs in this country? I guess. Though here the hog all over the place. ;)
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend - 08 Feb 2005 20:17 GMT > The police have the power to pull over motorists for poor lane > discipline and also can prosecute if they consider a driver's > behaviour amounts to inconsiderate driving. With an 11 per cent > decrease in traffic police in England and Wales since 1997, however, > and a lack of visible police presence on the motorways, many motorists > are left to get away with their selfish 'lane-hogging' behaviour. Yeah but how are the cops gonna prove anything?
Larry Bud - 08 Feb 2005 21:04 GMT > > The police have the power to pull over motorists for poor lane > > discipline and also can prosecute if they consider a driver's [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yeah but how are the cops gonna prove anything? Who says cops have to prove anything?
Tim Kreitz - 08 Feb 2005 21:57 GMT > America has a crisis but chooses a different approach: Ignore > it. Well of course. You see, enforcing lane discipline and eliminating tailgating in the States would demonstrate that highway speed limits are largely unneccesary -- and the cops and politicians don't want that. After all, safer highways mean less revenue for the government.
Instead, they allow unskilled nincompoops in 6,000-pound SUVs to drive like the inattentive morons they are, nabbing them in droves for going 5-over at $150 a pop. Easy money.
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Keith Schiffner - 09 Feb 2005 01:03 GMT "donquijote1954"
Hmm, I ride GL1000 and tend to crowd those kinds of scum bag car/suv driving scum bag off the road. I'm doing something up close LIVE and in person...I don't have time for the corporate whores in Washington to do anything. I act while they talk, people like you are "All hat and no cattle". If I had my way...NO CARS! Take all those mouth breathing spittle dripping morons out of their cages and they can either ride the bus or ride a motorcycle. Oh and get rid of that stupid a.s NASCAR off while you're at it. Not a single car out there is based on a stock car nor is it driven like one...all left and almost never a right. So...f.ck you cagers. I'm on a motorcycle and you can't touch me.
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Paul D. DeRocco - 09 Feb 2005 21:48 GMT > "donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to avoid causing phantom traffic jams through unnecessary red-light > braking. This is nonsensical. If everyone who wasn't interested in passing religiously moved over to the left (right in U.S.), and then insisted on keeping the "proper" distance from the car in front, that lane would bog down as soon as traffic reached even a moderate level. People tailgate and occupy lanes other than the left (right) in part because there's only so much physical room on the road.
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Timberwoof - 09 Feb 2005 22:21 GMT > > "donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > occupy lanes other than the left (right) in part because there's only so > much physical room on the road. When traffic is light to moderate, these rules make sense. When traffic is heavy, the rules have to be relaxed. But when when traffic is heavy, slower traffic should keep right.
I have experienced numerous floating traffic jams caused by one car traveling in the #1 or #2 lane (counted form the inside out) significantly more slowly than everyone else. Had they been in the right lane, it woudl have been less of a problem.
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donquijote1954 - 11 Feb 2005 03:01 GMT "The lane courtesy ethic must be reinvigorated, promoted, and recognized for the contribution it can make toward safer, faster and more enjoyable travel."
It makes sense to me though I doubt the lion will give any priority to these issues. Story at bottom.
'Lane Courtesy, also called Lane Discipline, has a powerful influence on highway safety, traffic flow, and congestion. Arguably, its effect is more important than speed limits, traffic enforcement, or any other attempt to control driver behavior. Ask almost any motorist what most raises their ire when using major highways and the answer will be "failure of slower traffic to keep right or yield to the right when faster traffic approaches."
The concept, or ethic, of lane courtesy evolved in the United States with the development of the Interstate System. However, the concept of slower traffic yielding to the right for faster traffic has its origins in the older system of two lane highways. Almost all states have a provision in their traffic law that requires slower traffic, upon being signaled by a following vehicle, to pull to the right to allow the faster traffic to pass.
Prior to 1973, rural speed limits reflected typical travel speeds. Consequently, slower vehicles were not driving the speed limit and there was no rationale for deliberately blocking the progress of faster traffic. The 55 MPH National Maximum Speed Limit changed all that.
After 1973, there was a serious disconnect between speed limits and the actual speed of traffic. There was also a total breakdown in lane courtesy. The slower traffic that would normally stay in the right hand lane could now linger anywhere on the highway, in any lane, and still be traveling at the legal maximum speed of 55 miles per hour. This counter productive process was reinforced over a period of 21 years, influencing a whole generation of new drivers.
In 1995 the 55 MPH National Maximum Speed Limit was repealed and several states raised speed limits to put the limits more in concert with the reality of highway travel. However, the almost quarter century habit of wallowing anywhere on the highway did not disappear with the advent of new speed limit signs.
The lane courtesy ethic must be reinvigorated, promoted, and recognized for the contribution it can make toward safer, faster and more enjoyable travel. We hope the NMA's "Do the RIGHT Thing!" campaign and declaring June as "Lane Courtesy Month" will reawaken interest and support for this incredibly important and positive traffic safety concept.'
http://www.motorists.com/right/releaseone.html
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim - 10 Feb 2005 03:32 GMT I run people the f.ck over, my motto is get out of the damn way or get an introduction to my shotgun, your choice.
I am tired of idiots PUTTING along in the goddamn left hand lane. If you're not passing someone, GET THE f.ck IN THE SLOW LANE.
KILL SLOW DRIVERS.
> While England has a problem with lane discipline, they are talking > about it. America has a crisis but chooses a different approach: Ignore [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE > http://committed.to/justiceforpeace mjt - 09 Feb 2005 22:10 GMT > I run people the f.ck over, my motto is get out of the damn way or get an > introduction to my shotgun, your choice. ... ooooooooooo. the big bad a.s with the big mouth. i'm suuuuuuurrrrrre you shotgun all those in your way.
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Paul D. DeRocco - 10 Feb 2005 07:45 GMT > "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > KILL SLOW DRIVERS. Oh, come on, don't be so shy. Tell us what you really think.
donquijote1954 - 11 Feb 2005 02:15 GMT > > "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Oh, come on, don't be so shy. Tell us what you really think. Today: Two older ladies going 45, holding everyone back. Then changing lane without signal. I think their License to Kill should be suspended and put them to tomato throwing in public place. ;)
Going back to the issue of lane discipline, this is what the government ought to be doing not looking the other way...
"Motorway congestion could be greatly eased if the government launched a TV and media education programme encouraging drivers to use the leftmost lanes except when overtaking and showing them how to use the slip roads to accelerate and slow down when entering and leaving motorways. Too many drivers impede safe traffic flow by failing to match their speed when entering or slowing down on the motorway instead of using the slip road for this purpose, this is often why congestion builds up around interchanges. Others restrict flow by staying in the middle and outer lanes when lane 1 is virtually empty."
http://www.abd.org.uk/pr/423.htm
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