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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / General Car Topics / February 2005Chrysler leaning backward
I have an '84 Chrysler New Yorker and it appears to be leaning backwards. Could it be a sign of weak coil springs or do I just need to replace the rear shocks? -- Thanks in advance. >I have an '84 Chrysler New Yorker and it appears to be leaning backwards. > Could it be a sign of weak coil springs or do I just need to replace the > rear shocks? Shocks are NOT what holds your car up. You need springs (unless they're adjustable), > >I have an '84 Chrysler New Yorker and it appears to be leaning backwards. > > Could it be a sign of weak coil springs or do I just need to replace the > > rear shocks? > > Shocks are NOT what holds your car up. You need springs (unless they're > adjustable), If this vehicle has the load leveling system it will hold the vehicle up. If the system has a problem it will cause the system to drop in the back. This system has its own pump and ride height switches that are supposed to maintain proper ride height.. Glenn Beasley Chrysler Tech >> >I have an '84 Chrysler New Yorker and it appears to be leaning backwards. >> > Could it be a sign of weak coil springs or do I just need to replace the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > system has its own pump and ride height switches that are supposed to > maintain proper ride height.. But on an 84 New Yorker?? I know some SUVs have that, but why would a luxo-boat have such a system? > But on an 84 New Yorker?? I know some SUVs have that, but why would a > luxo-boat have such a system? Air suspension was not available on the '84 New Yorker. >>> >I have an '84 Chrysler New Yorker and it appears to be leaning backwards. >>> > Could it be a sign of weak coil springs or do I just need to replace the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >But on an 84 New Yorker?? I know some SUVs have that, but why would a luxo-boat >have such a system? Had it on my '85 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham. This car pretty much defines the term "luxo-boat." Basically a set of air shocks with a sensor connected to an air compressor. When the back end dips too low, the compressor comes on and adds some PSI to the shocks. When the back end comes a bit high, a valve opens and the shocks lose air. Not only is it a load leveling system, it also keeps the ride quality in back consistent regardless of what - or who - you might have in the trunk, and keeps headlight aim consistent as well. Raymond Sirois SysOp: The Lost Chord BBS 607-733-5745 telnet://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6000 > > If this vehicle has the load leveling system it will hold the vehicle up. If > > the system has a problem it will cause the system to drop in the back. This [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But on an 84 New Yorker?? I know some SUVs have that, but why would a luxo-boat > have such a system? Because people would load up their luxo-barges with suitcases and take a trip. My '78 Newport had the load leveller (with some screwy kewl spelling like Load-Levler or something) option when new (it doesn't now; the pump failed due to an accident and a replacement could not be found, so normal springs and shocks replaced it ten or fifteen years ago).  SignatureJoseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605 Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002 New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer >>> >I have an '84 Chrysler New Yorker and it appears to be leaning >>> >backwards. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > But on an 84 New Yorker?? I know some SUVs have that, but why would a > luxo-boat have such a system? I have a 2002 Olds Bravada SUV that has such an air suspensions system and it sucks royally. I have to continually take it back to the dealer (under warranty) as the rear end gets stuck up in the air and doesn't come back down. They put on a new compressor 2-3 weeks ago and now it's back up in the air again - this time the passenger side rear is higher than the drivers side rear. If you look at the car from the front or rear, the car is tilting. Why would this be - any comments on this. I am getting frustrated and go back to the dealer again tomorrow. Thanks for any help or comments. Bob P. Time for arbitration. Check the back of your warranty manual for instructions. When you threaten a buyback I bet they figure out how to fix it. >>>> >I have an '84 Chrysler New Yorker and it appears to be leaning >>>> >backwards. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Bob P. > I have a 2002 Olds Bravada SUV that has such an air suspensions system and > it sucks royally. I have to continually take it back to the dealer (under > warranty) as the rear end gets stuck up in the air and doesn't come back > down. Odd, that's one thing that GM actually got right a long time ago and I wouldn't have expected trouble from it. My folks had an 84 Cadillac Sedan DeVille, and the level-ride system was bulletproof. Of course that car was an oddity all around- it had the notorious HT4100 time-bomb engine and the notorious TH200R4 transmision, and yet merrily ran up to >130,000 miles and they still see it around town years after selling it. > > I have a 2002 Olds Bravada SUV that has such an air suspensions > > system and it sucks royally. I have to continually take it back to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > merrily ran up to >130,000 miles and they still see it around town > years after selling it. And, the pump for my Newport was a Delco. I wouldn't be surprised to learn the whole system was bought from GM. SignatureJoseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605 Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002 New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer > And, the pump for my Newport was a Delco. I wouldn't be surprised to > learn the whole system was bought from GM. I wouldn't be surprised to learn the pump on your Newport could be replaced by the pump from any of the '90s AC-body cars ("Imperial", "Dynasty") with the levelling system. > > And, the pump for my Newport was a Delco. I wouldn't be surprised to > > learn the whole system was bought from GM. > > I wouldn't be surprised to learn the pump on your Newport could be > replaced by the pump from any of the '90s AC-body cars ("Imperial", > "Dynasty") with the levelling system. They switched from a vacuum-powered pump with the height sensor opening and closing valves to an electric pump before that, so it would involve a complete retrofit. In another forum, we were discussing my front suspension. It occurs to me that I think I now know what incident led to my left lower control arm being replaced... I knew the vacuum powered pump (which was located in the left front fender) was knocked, and Dad spent quite a while trying to find a replacement, I don't remember him mentioning the LCA. SignatureJoseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605 Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002 New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer >>>And, the pump for my Newport was a Delco. I wouldn't be surprised to >>>learn the whole system was bought from GM. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > opening and closing valves to an electric pump before that, so it > would involve a complete retrofit. VACUUM powered pump? Then it isn't the same as the 84 Cad. That one was an electric pump that looked a lot like a beefy version of a 12v tire inflator pump. Quieter, though! >> I have a 2002 Olds Bravada SUV that has such an air suspensions system >> and it sucks royally. I have to continually take it back to the dealer [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > notorious TH200R4 transmision, and yet merrily ran up to > >130,000 miles and they still see it around town years after selling it. Well, I just got back from the GM dealership. They fixed the problem of the rear end being suspended upwards. This is what the repair order said: "Found hose for L.S. air bag kinked at compressor end. Lowered compressor & repaired hose. Re-mounted compressor roadtested ok. Also repaired leak at fittings at compressor." Any comments on this one????? I wonder how long this will last this time? >But on an 84 New Yorker?? I know some SUVs have that, but why would a luxo-boat >have such a system? Because you don't want your luxury car pointing to the sky when you load the trunk with luggage and have a back seat full of passengers. ----------- Alex > I have an '84 Chrysler New Yorker and it appears to be leaning > backwards. Could it be a sign of weak coil springs or do I just need to > replace the rear shocks? Definitely time for new springs (probably front *and* rear), probably time for new shocks (front *and* rear). >I have an '84 Chrysler New Yorker and it appears to be leaning backwards. > Could it be a sign of weak coil springs or do I just need to replace the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >was loaded (people and gear) This had a air pump and worked automatically. >When the shocks went bad the rear end sagged. W W >I have an '84 Chrysler New Yorker and it appears to be leaning backwards. >Could it be a sign of weak coil springs or do I just need to replace the >rear shocks? Springs. Shocks don't affect ride height unless they're air shocks. Raymond Sirois SysOp: The Lost Chord BBS 607-733-5745 telnet://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6000 >I have an '84 Chrysler New Yorker and it appears to be leaning backwards. > Could it be a sign of weak coil springs or do I just need to replace the > rear shocks? > -- > Thanks in advance. Time to take Jimmy Hoffa out of the trunk. >I have an '84 Chrysler New Yorker and it appears to be leaning backwards. >Could it be a sign of weak coil springs or do I just need to replace the >rear shocks? Unless you have air shocks, it is the springs. Shocks only control the motion, springs support the weight. --------------- Alex Whatever happened to Torsion Bar suspension? With adjustable torsion springs, any sagging condition is correctable via a shop procedure. Its a mystery why Chrysler would abandon this excellent suspension system.
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