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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / General Car Topics / March 20052005 Megane. Auto Locking Doors?
Hi Folks, I have a 2005 (54 plate) UK spec Renault Megane 1.9dCi Expression, and am wandering if there is anyway to make the ECU automatically lock the doors when the car moves off. On my old Focus you could do this by moving the key in a certain order. Anyone with any ideas? Thanks. Craig PS: Yes, I am too lazy to press the lock button every time!! >Hi Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > On my old Focus you could do this by moving the key in a certain order. >Anyone with any ideas? IIRC, it goes as follows on the Laguna. The Megane is probably the same or similar: Insert the card in the slot but do not start the engine. Press and hold the 'lock' side of the interior central locking switch until you get some kind of acknowledgement (either a beep or voice, depending on spec.) De-activation is the same, except that you hold the 'unlock' side of the switch.  SignatureDavid Thornber > >Hi Folks, > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > On my old Focus you could do this by moving the key in a certain order. > >Anyone with any ideas? Is there any way of turning this _on_ for a Mondeo Mk 3? Many of the existing "Focus Hacks" work for the Mondeo, specifically the Instrument Cluster diagnostic mode. Pete. SignatureNOTE! Email address is spamtrapped. Any email will be bounced to you Remove the news and underscore from my address to reply by mail Hi All, Thanks for your prompt postings, I'll give it a try when I go out tomorrow. Pete, if your Mondeo has the GEM module (does the locking/keys), then the key sequence to turn it in should be the same. Details are at http://www.torquesteer.co.uk/store/detail.php?itemID=f54fadb01bab43601e200b. Otherwise go on eBay and buy a copy of the ford TIS CD. Its the CD the dealers use and has all the manuals... thats how I found it. Craig. >> >Hi Folks, >> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Pete. > >> >Hi Folks, > >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > Is there any way of turning this _on_ for a Mondeo Mk 3? > Pete, if your Mondeo has the GEM module (does the locking/keys), then > the key sequence to turn it in should be the same. Details are at > http://www.torquesteer.co.uk/store/detail.php?itemID=f54fadb01bab43601e200b. > Otherwise go on eBay and buy a copy of the ford TIS CD. Its the CD the > dealers use and has all the manuals... thats how I found it. Ah, interesting. I'll give it a go. Thanks. FWIW, I've got the TIS. I could buy it for £1.50 on a CDR on Ebay, which is obviously not kosher, so I just downloaded it instead! Pete. SignatureNOTE! Email address is spamtrapped. Any email will be bounced to you Remove the news and underscore from my address to reply by mail >Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Craig. Can't you just lock the doors by pushing the drivers door interior handle in .I do this in my Mondeo so that it locks the boot ...otherwise the boot remains unlocked while driving along ... Stuart > >Hi All, > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > handle in .I do this in my Mondeo so that it locks the boot > ...otherwise the boot remains unlocked while driving along ... That's not quite the same. It's like having auto lights, wipers, dim-dip mirror, volume control etc. Yes, you can do them all yourself, but it's more fun if the car does it for you! Pete. SignatureNOTE! Email address is spamtrapped. Any email will be bounced to you Remove the news and underscore from my address to reply by mail > Hi Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > On my old Focus you could do this by moving the key in a certain order. > Anyone with any ideas? Can someone explain to me why one should want to have the doors locked while the car is moving? I can understand it stopping at lights or so, in case of getting attacked, but if the doors are locked, how much longer does it take to get you out after an accident? SignatureBob Mc (der Brit in der Schweiz) >Can someone explain to me why one should want to have >the doors locked while the car is moving? >I can understand it stopping at lights or so, in case of getting attacked, >but if the doors are locked, how much longer does it take to get you out >after an accident? The idea is that the doors lock as soon as you drive away, and don't unlock again until you open one of the doors. The whole point is that they remain locked when you stop at lights or in traffic. It takes no time at all to get out of the car - the interior door handles aren't locked, and all of the exterior door handles unlock automatically as soon as one of the doors is opened from the inside. It might take longer for someone to get you out of the car in the event of an accident, although I'd be surprised if the system didn't automatically unlock in the event of a severe impact. Besides, the door locks are the least of your worries in a severe smash. I once had to help someone out of the boot of their Fiesta because it was the only door that would still open after the car had rear-ended a van. I switched my car's auto locking system on when I got it about 2.5 years ago, and it's never caused a serious inconvenience. The only time it ever catches me out is if I stop to pick up a passenger. I almost invariably forget to press the unlock button, leaving them tugging on the door handle until I've pressed it. SignatureDavid Thornber > >Can someone explain to me why one should want to have > >the doors locked while the car is moving? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > invariably forget to press the unlock button, leaving them tugging on > the door handle until I've pressed it. Hmmm. My thoughts are that you know in advance when you're stopping and you can see if it's potentially dangerous. I would guess that the great majority of driving pauses are not at dangerous places, anyway. Accidents, on the otherhand, happen accidentally and locked doors are just one more complication on the way to saving life. After living in Manchester, London, Dortmund, D?sseldorf, Paris, Zurich and various smaller towns and never having been mugged and after having various accidents (my or not my fault), I will leave my doors unlocked for safety. SignatureBob Mc (der Brit in der Schweiz) >My thoughts are that you know in advance when you're stopping and >you can see if it's potentially dangerous. >I would guess that the great majority of driving pauses are not at dangerous >places, anyway. >Accidents, on the otherhand, happen accidentally and locked doors >are just one more complication on the way to saving life. Well each to their own I suppose. If you really believe that you can spot every potentially risky situation and remember to lock and unlock the doors each time, then I suppose the system is redundant in your case. >After living in Manchester, London, Dortmund, Düsseldorf, Paris, Zurich >and various smaller towns and never having been mugged >and after having various accidents (my or not my fault), >I will leave my doors unlocked for safety. You've lived in Manchester? I take it you've driven down Regent Road in Salford then. It's not been so bad the last few years, but at one point you'd regularly see the kids there waiting for an opportunity to steal from standing traffic. There'd be the look-out, standing balanced on a mountain bike, looking into the cars for stuff worth nicking, and the runner's who'd actually do the grab and leg it. A colleague had his bag nicked off the back seat of his car on Regent Road in exactly these circumstances. The same kids would actually 'case' your car while you were filling up with petrol at the Mobil garage on the same road: Blatantly walking past and having a good look inside while you're standing there with the pump nozzle in your hand. Presumably, if there was anything worth having, there'd be a brick through your window while you went to pay. They've knocked that garage down now. SignatureDavid Thornber <snip> > >After living in Manchester, London, Dortmund, D?sseldorf, Paris, Zurich > >and various smaller towns and never having been mugged [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > having, there'd be a brick through your window while you went to pay. > They've knocked that garage down now. OK. I haven't driven through M'cr since 1978, but, as I said - if I see a potentially dangerous situation, there's nothing to stop me locking up - BTDT didn't see a T-Shirt. I also don't think a locked door stops a brick through the window, does it? SignatureBob Mc (der Brit in der Schweiz) > Hmmm. > My thoughts are that you know in advance when you're stopping and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and after having various accidents (my or not my fault), > I will leave my doors unlocked for safety. o Locked doors are statistically less likely to "spring open" during a collision, dumping unrestrained contents and occupants out. o Most manufacturer's locks "unlock" several seconds after a collision has been sensed. It's usually explained in the owner manual. <snip my rubbish> > o Locked doors are statistically less likely to "spring > open" during a collision, dumping unrestrained > contents and occupants out. seat belts? who cares about contents? > o Most manufacturer's locks "unlock" several seconds > after a collision has been sensed. It's usually > explained in the owner manual. Yeah, but why bother? At 80 on the motorway or 50 on an A-road _nobody's_ going to open the door from the outside! They can't catch me - I drive zigzag! > > Hi Folks, > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > but if the doors are locked, how much longer does it take to get you out > after an accident? None, because door locks are fail-safe. Even if the power's out, pulling the door handle will unlock the door. The only time this won't happen, is if the doors are deadlocked, and in an accident, they're un-deadlocked as a matter of course. If the doors auto-lock, and you have an accident, and they deadlock themselves, I'd be 99% sure that they'd have deadlocked themselves even if they were unlocked. I only did it because I enjoy tinkering. Forget a whale tail spoiler, I think auto-locking doors are much cooler. Pete. SignatureNOTE! Email address is spamtrapped. Any email will be bounced to you Remove the news and underscore from my address to reply by mail bonjour, en cas d'accident, les portes se d?verrouillent automatiquement, il ni a donc pas de danger de rester bloquer. le verrouillage se fait ? partir d'une vitesse de 7 km/h. il est toutefois possible d'annuler cette fonction. cordialement bob > > > Hi Folks, > > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Pete. The message <422375de$0$25038$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> from "fob" <rton@wanadoo.fr> contains these words: > en cas d'accident, les portes se d?verrouillent automatiquement, Provided you can trust the ECU to work properly. SignatureSkipweasel. In the beginning was the word. And the word was Aardvark. > The message <422375de$0$25038$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> > from "fob" <rton@wanadoo.fr> contains these words: > > > en cas d'accident, les portes se d?verrouillent automatiquement, > > Provided you can trust the ECU to work properly. Perzackerly! I am a software developer and it is said in out trade that there is _no_ software in the world without errors! SignatureBob Mc (der Brit in der Schweiz) >> The message <422375de$0$25038$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> >> from "fob" <rton@wanadoo.fr> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I am a software developer and it is said in out trade > that there is _no_ software in the world without errors! 10 PRINT "Hello World" 20 GOTO 10 I've never known a bug in that one. ECU software is going to be a lot closer to the complexity of 'Hello World' than it is to Microsoft Office. Things like unlocking the doors in the event of an accident are a simple case of "If this happens, then do this" - forget a full blown ECU, you could do it with the most basic of PIC's, or probably even with a couple of transistors and relays. It's only really part of the ECU's job because it makes sense from a production cost point of view to have one unit handling all the tricks and gizmos. Even if it's busy, I'm sure the ECU can find time to check an impact sensor several times a second and unlock the doors if required. There's even bound to be a watchdog timer to reboot the ECU if it freezes. I can still see where you're coming from, and maybe a better logical solution would be something that locks the doors when the car drops below a certain speed and unlocks them again when a certain speed is reached. I can see this being the best of both worlds, but the constant clunking of the central locking would get irritating after a while. BTW: The brick through the window was presumably the trick at the petrol station while the car was unattended. The 'stuck in traffic' trick was to identify something worth nicking on the passenger or back seat, run up, open the door, grab the item and leg it. SignatureDavid Thornber The message <U0wR5gBX+BJCFwqT@thornber.demon.co.uk> from David Thornber <nospam@thornber.demon.co.uk> contains these words: > 10 PRINT "Hello World" > 20 GOTO 10 Hah! Bloody rays! SignatureSkipweasel. In the beginning was the word. And the word was Aardvark. > 10 PRINT "Hello World" > 20 GOTO 10 > > I've never known a bug in that one. Yes there is!!!!!!! It's an endless loop and that means you can't use the processor for anything else until the batterie runs out! ??} SignatureBob Mc (der Brit in der Schweiz) The message <38ijjnF5mg4msU1@individual.net> from "Bob Mc" <bob.mcminn@g_DEL_mail.com> contains these words: > I am a software developer and it is said in out trade > that there is _no_ software in the world without errors! 10 Print "Hello world" 20 GOTO 10 SignatureSkipweasel. In the beginning was the word. And the word was Aardvark. >The message <38ijjnF5mg4msU1@individual.net> >from "Bob Mc" <bob.mcminn@g_DEL_mail.com> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >10 Print "Hello world" >20 GOTO 10 Surely that's not software; it's code. SignatureBen Blaney >> The message <422375de$0$25038$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> >> from "fob" <rton@wanadoo.fr> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Perzackerly! Perzackerly ....Is that not outside Liverpool.???...lol Stuart > Perzackerly ....Is that not outside Liverpool.???...lol Prolly is. VBG PS: Why is your font bigger than anyone elses? I thought my reader defined the font in text-only mail! SignatureBob Mc (der Brit in der Schweiz) >>> The message <422375de$0$25038$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> >>> from "fob" <rton@wanadoo.fr> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Perzackerly ....Is that not outside Liverpool.???...lol >Stuart Nah,it's actually Fazackerley ..lol The font looks same as yours .It is 8 Stuart > > Can someone explain to me why one should want to have > > the doors locked while the car is moving? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > None, because door locks are fail-safe. Even if the power's out, pulling the > door handle will unlock the door. From the inside and then only if you're conscious and cosmos mentis. > The only time this won't happen, is if the doors are deadlocked, and in an > accident, they're un-deadlocked as a matter of course. > > If the doors auto-lock, and you have an accident, and they deadlock > themselves, I'd be 99% sure that they'd have deadlocked themselves even if > they were unlocked. I didn't even know that car doors have this possibility. > I only did it because I enjoy tinkering. Forget a whale tail spoiler, I > think auto-locking doors are much cooler. That's an good reason! SignatureBob Mc (der Brit in der Schweiz) |
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