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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / General Car Topics / July 2005

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can they really fail my inspection for THAT?

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William.Deans@gmail.com - 24 Jul 2005 03:06 GMT
Greetings,

I have windshield wipers.  When it rains I turn them on and they work.
I took my car in to get it inspected and they failed me because they do
not work at all of the possible speed settings.  I do not know if it is
a poor connection in the switch or what but they were sure to offer to
fix it for me at around $150.  My question is -- do they have the
right?  Can they fail me for this legally?  Where can I get a list of
what they are and are not allowed to fail me for?

The other thing that they failed me for is my wheels being out of
alignment.  Are they allowed to fail me for that as well?  It doesn't
bother me since I am able to rotate my tires if the wear becomes
uneven.

Thanks,
William
Scott Buchanan - 24 Jul 2005 06:26 GMT
Who is they?

> Greetings,
>
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> Thanks,
> William
William.Deans@gmail.com - 24 Jul 2005 07:06 GMT
> Who is they?

Midas
Rick Brandt - 24 Jul 2005 13:24 GMT
> > Who is they?
>
> Midas

I suppose you would need a copy of the inspection requirements issued by your
state.  Perhaps they have a web site or phone number you could call to see if
these are legitimate.

If the legislators did a poor job they might have defined the requirements as
very broad and left to the interpretation of the mechanic about what consitutes
a "safety issue".  In that case they could fail you for just about anything.

For example (I live in Missouri) and their requirements are available on the web
site for the Missouri Highway Patrol since they administer the program.  Upon
reviewing their requirements neither of the reasons that your mecahnic sited
would be a valid reason to fail a car.  Front end suspension components are only
checked for wear/looseness, not for alignment.  This makes sense because a
safety inspection station is not required to own alignment equipment which would
be required to make that determination.

As for wipers Missouri's specification states...

(3) Reject vehicle if:
   (A) Windshield wipers fail to function;
   (B) Rubber wiping element is damaged or torn;
   (C) Part of blades or arms are missing or are severely damaged; or
   (D) The blades fail to contact the wind-shield firmly.

Obviously rules vary from state to state, but if your state really has the
requirements that this mechanic is indicating I would be very surprised.

It would be nice if you could print a copy of your state's requirements, bring
it into the shop and ask the mechanic to show you the section that is
applicable.  You might also want to look to see if the document has any areas
describing penalties for shops that use the inspection program as a way to gouge
consumers for unnecessary repairs.
William.Deans@gmail.com - 25 Jul 2005 00:55 GMT
> > > Who is they?
> >
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> describing penalties for shops that use the inspection program as a way to gouge
> consumers for unnecessary repairs.

Thank you very much Rick.  I will go down to the DMV in the next couple
of days and ask them for a copy.
MajorDomo@mailcity.com - 24 Jul 2005 23:05 GMT
No wonder over 43,000 Americans are killing in automotive
accidents every year and 20,000 are injured.  They give guys like
this a license to drive.  LOL

mike hunt

> Greetings,
>
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> Thanks,
> William
Floyd L. Davidson - 24 Jul 2005 23:30 GMT
>No wonder over 43,000 Americans are killing in automotive
>accidents every year and 20,000 are injured.  They give guys like
>this a license to drive.  LOL
>
>mike hunt

That is a bit harsh and uncalled for.

 1) His windshield wipers clearly do work.  There is no
    requirement for multiple speed wipers, and some cars
    don't come equipped with that feature.  This appears
    to be a bit of "creative marketing"...

 2) If his wheels actually were out of alignment, the wear
    *would* be uneven; hence the only conclusion one can
    come to on that one is that he is being lied to.

Granted the idea that rotating wheels instead of getting them
aligned is worse than ridiculous.  And William should consider
that a misaligned front end 1) might be worn, and 2) might not
steer well when traction is limited (e.g., on wet or icey roads).

However, none of the above is probably understood by 75% of all
drivers, nor is it necessary.  And that *is* why vehicle inspections
should be required.  Honest inspections though...

Whatever, the whole story reminds me of a "front end shop" that
I took a couple of Subaru's to years ago.  The first one was
maybe in about 1985.  They did the work required, but also
charged me for a broken front left side brake line, with quite a
story about how lucky I was that they'd been able to stop the
car at all, as when they back it off the ramp it nearly went
through the shop door because it had no brakes.  So they went
ahead and fixed it for me, for $35.  Okay.

So I buy another, used Subaru in about 1990 or so... and take it
to the same shop to get the front end repaired.  Danged if it
didn't *also* have a broken left front brake line and almost
roll off the ramp and through a door...

I guess if they'd had a good computer they could have kept track
of who they'd pulled that stunt on already.

>> Greetings,
>>
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>> Thanks,
>> William

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James C. Reeves - 25 Jul 2005 01:34 GMT
My guess is that Midas is trying to drum up business to do a alignment (that
the car may not need) and replace the wiper switch.  that is one of the
problems of farming state inspection stations out to those that have a
financial incentive to make things up.
 
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