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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / General Car Topics / June 20061986 Nissan D21 Pickup Starter
I just purchased a 1986 Nissan D21 Pickup V6 3.0 that appears to be in good shape other than the motor starter. It *looks* like a devil to change but in looking at the folder of the previous owner (kept all her receipts through the life of the truck), I saw one had been changed in 1998 for $50 labor which doesn't SEEM so bad labor-wise. I'm kind of at a loss and was hoping that someone here may have changed one of these starters to give me a clue how it comes out (without yanking the engine :-) On a couple of occasions, I've gone out and turned the key only to get a 'click' (which I assume is the solenoid). Battery cables are clean, battery is good and the connections appear to be tight so I'm assuming the starter may be going bad. thanks for any advice, Chris "cover" wrote: 1986 Nissan D21 Pickup V6 3.0 .. starter looks like a devil to change........ hoping someone here may have changed one of these starters to give me a clue how it comes out On a couple of occasions I've turned the key only to geta 'click' (which I assume is the solenoid). Battery cables are clean, battery is good and the connections appear to be tight so I'm assuming the starter may be going bad. __________________________________________________ External appearance of battery cables can be misleading. Before replacing starter parts, ensure that battery and starter cables are clean and connections are tight, by disconnecting the cables, cleaning all mating surfaces, and reconnecting. Good luck. Rodan. > On a couple of occasions, I've gone out and turned the key only to get > a 'click' (which I assume is the solenoid). Battery cables are clean, > battery is good and the connections appear to be tight so I'm assuming > the starter may be going bad. So what did you do to "fix the starter" on those couple of occasions. It is possible your starter has a problem that causes it to work intermittently, but that is not very likely. What is likely is that the starter was not getting sufficient voltage. -jim >> On a couple of occasions, I've gone out and turned the key only to get >> a 'click' (which I assume is the solenoid). Battery cables are clean, >> battery is good and the connections appear to be tight so I'm assuming >> the starter may be going bad. > >So what did you do to "fix the starter" on those couple of occasions. Primitive as it may seem, the way we check these is one person holds the key while the other person whacks the starter with a hammer. A good tap and the starter that is failing usually cranks one more time. > It is possible your starter has a problem that causes it to work >intermittently, but that is not very likely. Actually intermittent failure is 100% normal for these and most starters. > What is likely is that the >starter was not getting sufficient voltage. Then typically it would crank slowly or the if the voltage is too low for even that there would be a series of clicks. Don www.donsautomotive.com >-jim > >----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups >----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- > >> On a couple of occasions, I've gone out and turned the key only to get > >> a 'click' (which I assume is the solenoid). Battery cables are clean, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the key while the other person whacks the starter with a hammer. A > good tap and the starter that is failing usually cranks one more time. Is this what he did? Or did he get someone to give him a jump? Or what? My point - the answer to my question would be useful information. > > It is possible your starter has a problem that causes it to work > >intermittently, but that is not very likely. > > Actually intermittent failure is 100% normal for these and most > starters. Well yes if assume failure at all is normal. But most of the time you turn the key and the starter doesn't fail. Given that OP hasn't provided any reason for me to believe the starter is bad, as far as I can tell this is just a guess on his part. > > What is likely is that the > >starter was not getting sufficient voltage. > > Then typically it would crank slowly or the if the voltage is too low > for even that there would be a series of clicks. If the low voltage is due to a weak battery it would behave as you describe. If the low voltage is due to bad connections that would fit the description he gave. -jim > Don > www.donsautomotive.com [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > >----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- >> >> On a couple of occasions, I've gone out and turned the key only to get >> >> a 'click' (which I assume is the solenoid). Battery cables are clean, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Is this what he did? Or did he get someone to give him a jump? Or >what? My point - the answer to my question would be useful information. Yes it would be. >> > It is possible your starter has a problem that causes it to work >> >intermittently, but that is not very likely. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Well yes if assume failure at all is normal. But most of the time you >turn the key and the starter doesn't fail. We replace lots of these starters and almost always they are intermittent. We do verify that the starter has failed first. >.Given that OP hasn't provided >any reason for me to believe the starter is bad, as far as I can tell [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >If the low voltage is due to a weak battery it would behave as you >describe. If the low voltage is due to bad connections Specically the high current lead to the starter. That is a possibility if a replacement + cable clamp has been fitted and only the high current lead is failing to connect due to corrosion. Could be bad at the starter end but less likely. Don www.donsautomotive.com > that would fit >the description he gave. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups >----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- You are describing either a worn starter or a bad connection. If you can make it click a few times, then 'carefully' touch the main cable connections, you might be able to find a warm or hot connection. If you do, that hot connection is usually a bad one that needs to be cleaned. Battery cables can look clean from the outside and still be corroded at the contact point. If you hit on the starter with a hammer and you get it to start next time, it is likely worn out or just stuck brushes. I personally like to rebuild the starters, but if you are not mechanically inclined, then a replacement might be in order. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > I just purchased a 1986 Nissan D21 Pickup V6 3.0 that appears to be in > good shape other than the motor starter. It *looks* like a devil to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > thanks for any advice, > Chris >You are describing either a worn starter or a bad connection. If you >can make it click a few times, then 'carefully' touch the main cable [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >rebuild the starters, but if you are not mechanically inclined, then a >replacement might be in order. There are LOTS of really crappy "rebuilt/remanufactured" starters out there. You can try three in a row to get one that will fail a month later. Very UNLIKELY to give a problem are the ones from Nissan. Also "Denso" brand. Bosch sucks! (well maybe not for Volvos -- I wouldn't know -- but does suck for Jap cars) Don www.donsautomotive.com >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> thanks for any advice, >> Chris On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:33:30 -0700, cover Thanks for the replies, guys. Still haven't had a chance to clean the cables though they look pretty good. Might take them off this weekend and do some cleaning. One thing I did this past weekend though was check all the battery cells with a hydrometer and was surprised to see that for a pretty new Diehard Gold battery that was charging okay (according to the gauge), the specific gravities were all showing just between okay and good. I would have expected the cells to show all well into the good zone so... thanks again. |
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