I guess for some people this is a convenience.  For me, who fixes my
own cars, its nothing but a pain and an annoyance.  I drive older cars
and this is the first car I ever had with these things.  I hope it's
the last. I never had any trouble with the old crank windows, unless
they got stiff (which just meant they needed some oil and grease, and
all was well again).

I think our whole society is going crazy with all this "convenience"
crap.  It's funny, because yesterday I went to Walmart.  I had to take
a sh.t so I go in the restroom.  I find the toilet is full of someone
elses sh.t.  Well, I am not going to use it that way, and it has a
sensor flush thingie.  There is no way I can make it flush without
standing or sitting in front of that idiotic thing.  Fortunately the
other stall was empty, so I go to that one.  Halfway thru doing my
business, the toilet just flushes while I am sitting on it.  Like I
really want water splashing up my a.s.  After a few cuss words I move
on to the sinks.  There are 4 of them in a row, all have sensors.  I
wave my hands in front of one of them, get no water, so I go to the
next, and the next.  The 4th one finally decided to work, but stopped
halfway thru, and would not restart.  I finally got the second one ot
work to complete washing my hands.  Instead of one simple arm movement
to turn on a faucet, I spent several minutes waving my hands around
like an idiot to get any water, and wasted several minutes to do it.  

Things like this are not convenience, they are assenine.
If they always worked as intended, they might be a convenience, but
they dont.  Maybe if they were maintained and repaired every week or
so, they would work better, but look at all the extra expense for
maintenance and costly parts.  Guess who pays for all of that?  The
customer pays in higher prices.  Give me a plain old flush handle
toilet, and a plain faucet with a handle.  Yes, go ahead and use a
spring back handle so I dont leave the water running.  

I wont even get into the part about the electric hand dryers.... I
hate those damn things....

Yeah, this is off topic of autos, but it's just that our society seems
to have gone crazy with convenience crap that's not a convenience at
all.  It's an annoyance or worse.....

One other thing.  If someone was to have a wreck and need to get out
of a car quickly because of a fire, it's unlikely the power windows
will work, since many fires start from electrical problems.  The old
crank will always work unless the car was smashed into on that door.
Now tell me which is safer?  I know that I cant even open or close the
windows in my car unless I insert the key and flip the ignition
switch.  I find that extremely INCONVENIENT when it starts raining and
I have to run outside to raise the car windows.  I get out there, and
forgot the keys are in the house.  By the time I get back in the house
grab keys, go back to the car, I am soaked and so are the car seats.
"Convenience" ???????    NOT !!!!!!

What's a convenience for one person is not for another !!!

Buggz

After beating the crap out of that motor
and running power directly from the car battery, it dont go up.  Buggz