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Extra Tax on SUVs

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Conservation - 07 Sep 2006 06:01 GMT
It's obvious that with oil becoming scarcer, we should try and preserve
what is left for the really important thing that matters - economic
production.

As SUVs are basically a huge waste of gasoline (and other resources), the
government should consider an extra tax on them to discourage their use.
Nothing like the hip pocket effect to adjust people's behaviour!

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for an average suburban American
family to drive one of these behemoths around - in fact they are more of a
risk to families than an average normal sized car.

I suggest 2 taxes - one at time of purchase, at least 50% of the sale price
of the SUV - and a yearly tax of around $5000. The money raised could go to
research into global warming.

I'm sure most people in this forum would agree that now is the time for the
average American to downsize and save resources for the good of the
country.

Conservation
C. E. White - 07 Sep 2006 12:48 GMT
> It's obvious that with oil becoming scarcer, we should try and preserve
> what is left for the really important thing that matters - economic
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> average American to downsize and save resources for the good of the
> country.

Hypocrite!

Ed
Noozer - 08 Sep 2006 05:00 GMT
> It's obvious that with oil becoming scarcer, we should try and preserve
> what is left for the really important thing that matters - economic
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> government should consider an extra tax on them to discourage their use.
> Nothing like the hip pocket effect to adjust people's behaviour!

There already is... It's at the gas pumps. If you drive an SUV and go
through 20 gallons a week, you are definatley paying more than someone in a
runabout buring 8 gallons a week.

As far as taxes go. Things should be taxed at exactly the rate that it costs
government to maintain that thing. If it costs $x a year to collect garbage,
then property should be taxed at a level where that $x will be collected. If
it costs $y a year to fight the pollution produced by driving a car, then
tax gasoline at a level that will collect that $z. If it costs $z per car to
process that car when it goes to scrap and take care of the landfill it goes
into, then tax the purchase price at a level that will collect $z.
Conservation - 08 Sep 2006 06:12 GMT
>> It's obvious that with oil becoming scarcer, we should try and
>> preserve what is left for the really important thing that matters -
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> through 20 gallons a week, you are definatley paying more than someone
> in a runabout buring 8 gallons a week.

In case you didn't notice, that hasn't work so far. I still see plenty of
SUVs looking out my window. I'm talking about taxation that *hurts*.

> As far as taxes go. Things should be taxed at exactly the rate that it
> costs government to maintain that thing. If it costs $x a year to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> goes to scrap and take care of the landfill it goes into, then tax the
> purchase price at a level that will collect $z.

What a load of crap. It would be near impossible to work out the exact cost
of each item you listed. Far better to aim for revenue neutrality. Use
taxes to alter people's behaviour and then use that cash to fund programs
that help society.

Conservation
Noozer - 08 Sep 2006 06:50 GMT
>>> It's obvious that with oil becoming scarcer, we should try and
>>> preserve what is left for the really important thing that matters -
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> In case you didn't notice, that hasn't work so far. I still see plenty of
> SUVs looking out my window. I'm talking about taxation that *hurts*.

Then, obviously, gas isn't expensive enough yet.

>> As far as taxes go. Things should be taxed at exactly the rate that it
>> costs government to maintain that thing. If it costs $x a year to
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> taxes to alter people's behaviour and then use that cash to fund programs
> that help society.

Load of crap? What to you think the budget is? They figure out exactly how
much they are spending every year, and what they are spending on.
ROY BRAGG - 17 Sep 2006 07:30 GMT
By "they" you mean the federal government, much of their budget is planned
around deficit spending.  How long do you think that would last if you spent
more than you made?
Roy

>>>> It's obvious that with oil becoming scarcer, we should try and
>>>> preserve what is left for the really important thing that matters -
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> Load of crap? What to you think the budget is? They figure out exactly how
> much they are spending every year, and what they are spending on.
Tom The Great - 26 Nov 2006 19:06 GMT
>>> It's obvious that with oil becoming scarcer, we should try and
>>> preserve what is left for the really important thing that matters -
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>In case you didn't notice, that hasn't work so far. I still see plenty of
>SUVs looking out my window. I'm talking about taxation that *hurts*.

OH a sin tax you are suggesting.  Make sense you have the moral
authority to determine what is good, and what is bad, and how to
address it.  You go girl!

>> As far as taxes go. Things should be taxed at exactly the rate that it
>> costs government to maintain that thing. If it costs $x a year to
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>
>Conservation

later,

tom @ www.WorkAtHomePlans.com
Seamus J. Wilson - 10 Sep 2006 23:23 GMT
Great idea!  They are a threat to other drivers also.
Seamus J. Wilson
> It's obvious that with oil becoming scarcer, we should try and preserve
> what is left for the really important thing that matters - economic
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Conservation
somefool - 10 Sep 2006 23:45 GMT
I agree. The current tax & DMV fee structure rewards drivers of older
less efferent cars and could be restructured to remove that incentive
from those who own gas guzzlers. Their fees would not go down with the
value of the car, but stay the same or go up.

I think Hybrid SUV should be exempt to encourage more of these as an
alternative.

> Great idea!  They are a threat to other drivers also.
> Seamus J. Wilson
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>>
>> Conservation
Noozer - 11 Sep 2006 01:11 GMT
>I agree. The current tax & DMV fee structure rewards drivers of older
> less efferent cars and could be restructured to remove that incentive
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> I think Hybrid SUV should be exempt to encourage more of these as an
> alternative.

You don't think that spending $5000 a year on gasoline instead of $1500 a
year isn't incentive enough? I guess gas prices should go up then.
somefool - 11 Sep 2006 05:11 GMT
>>I agree. The current tax & DMV fee structure rewards drivers of older
>> less efferent cars and could be restructured to remove that incentive
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> $1500 a year isn't incentive enough? I guess gas prices should go up
> then.

It helps.

It would help more if the increase in gas prices we have seen were due
to increased taxes that could be spent on alternative fuel research, but
unfortunately it only lining the pockets of the oil companies.
bob9 - 18 Sep 2006 03:01 GMT
> It's obvious that with oil becoming scarcer, we should try and preserve
> what is left for the really important thing that matters - economic
> production.
>
> As SUVs are basically a huge waste of gasoline (and other resources),

My SUV gets 27 mpg. Care to put that tax on every car that gets less than,
what, 25?

Do you know how many millions of cars don't get 25 mpg?

Care to enforce this law on millions of "non-SUV's"?
Conservation - 22 Sep 2006 06:07 GMT
>> It's obvious that with oil becoming scarcer, we should try and
>> preserve what is left for the really important thing that matters -
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> My SUV gets 27 mpg. Care to put that tax on every car that gets less
> than, what, 25?

No, just SUVs. They take up way too much space, too many resources.

> Do you know how many millions of cars don't get 25 mpg?
>
> Care to enforce this law on millions of "non-SUV's"?

What law, you idiot? We are talking about an extra tax on SUVs. Do try and
pay attention.

Loser.

Conservation
bob9 - 22 Sep 2006 06:12 GMT
>>> It's obvious that with oil becoming scarcer, we should try and
>>> preserve what is left for the really important thing that matters -
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Conservation

Taxes are written as law, silly. How else would they be inforced?
Voluntary?
Please read more carefully.
In case this is too complicated, try not paying your taxes and see if you
are convicted by "law".
Sheesh....
Gudkov Eugen - 23 Nov 2006 11:07 GMT
And how about SUV`s of the government? I`m not sure they will be pay for
this and think about good of the country.
An how about places in U.S.A., where non-SUV`s are useless and can stack?
Farmers will be pay more.
Ask farmers first.
And think about sportcars.

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vistalein - 29 Nov 2006 11:27 GMT
Gudkov Eugen schrieb:
> And how about SUV`s of the government? I`m not sure they will be pay for
> this and think about good of the country.
> An how about places in U.S.A., where non-SUV`s are useless and can stack?
> Farmers will be pay more.
> Ask farmers first.
> And think about sportcars.
 
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