I hate the car industry. It is for rich people; those good at bartering and
manipulating others. I hate it with so much passion, once in a reliable
auto, I ride it until the fenders fall off. And so it was with my '91
nissan pickup. But, as all things mechanical simply wear out in time, my
nissan is no longer cost beneficial, costing me too many ongoing repairs.
And so, I am forced to re-enter this no-man's land of virulent fast Eddy car
salesmen ready to take you for every drop of hard earned savings they can
wrestle from you in dealer fees, expanded markups, pricey options, rococco
slight of hand financing, rebate rollbacks, and just about every clown or
magic trick under the sun.
These are professionals who deal with the public day in and day out...who
know all the tricks, all the con games, all the mental twists, and have seen
every possible muster of defense the general public can bring against them.
It has become almost a science we the general public are up against.
You simply cannot win. I know. Just as an example, my cousin used to sell
new pontiacs at a dealership in South Carolina. He would tell me, with a
chagrin, how the owner would make his largest profits off his own relatives
who thought they were getting deals. With a swipe of a pen, my cousin would
tell of thousands of dollars of markup and pure profit going to his coffers,
while an endless supply of old ladies or young teenybop kids were sent on
their way, unawares to the grave economic losses they had incurred. The
parlour game trick was to always make the customer 'feel and think' like
they were some smart cookie...who had pulled one over on the dearlship and
salesman and gotten away with a gem of deal. Truth was, NO ONE EVER WON.
The dealer was always going to get their profit and the salesman, at the
very least, his wage...and usually much more. Usually thousands more.
My cousin had to get out of the business after a few years because he said
it simply wore too much on his conscience...which is the first deathknell of
the salesman. Salesmen cannot have a conscience when it same to profit he
would tell me...no matter how ridiculous.
And so I have to enter this battlefield once again...and I hate it with a
passion.
About five years ago, I started a plan. I would pay myself what a car
payment would be...so I could save up and eliminate as much of the batering
as possible; to go into a dealership holding all the cards...a cash over the
barrell transaction. My needs are meager...I liked the Hyundias for example
or Civics....just something dependable that would last, keeping me from
having to deal with these sharks for another 1 and a half decades hopefully
[that nissan was a great pickup]. Five years ago, $10,000 could get me into
a reasonably nice auto...maybe with less than 20k miles on it...a minivan or
something.
And so, my auto account now has the $10,000 and some change as planned...but
of course, I forgot about inflation and market price drift. Ha, now I find
$10,000 won't make a dent in most car prices...even for those with 100,000
miles on it. Sheese. $10,000 is an awful lot of money for me...represents
years and years of sweat and toil and doing without so I could 'save'. I'm
not some ditch digger either. I work at a needed occupation in the
community making an otherwise livable wage...even if only at a meager
lifestyle.
Part of my rant is to express a disbelief. Do people live in the same world
I do? Oh, the money for sure...I mean, who the hell affords these 40k+
vehicles anyway? I mean, there's only so many managers and bosses and store
owners...while the great mass of people I see are pretty much like me. Just
five years ago, it seemed like the meat of the new car market remained at
the 20k range with a fair portion in low teens...some even below 10k. Now
it seems the great ground swell has moved up past the 30k range. Who buys
these things at such prices???
In fact, I'm pretty well off really...a livable wage not having to slave at
hard labor all day long. How do the store clerks, the janitors, street
sweepers, the truck drivers, the teachers, policemen, and firemen afford
these prices? We can't. But of course we must...for a reliable auto is a
necessity of survival.
So, that's the first part. Someone of course buys these things or the
market would drop prices I suppose. But there are other things at
hand...like peak oil and global warming and Iran sitting on a time bomb
nuclear attitude that could go off any day now. Isreal nor the USA [and I
would think europe et.al.] will NOT allow Iran to have nuclear weapons.
Does anyone forsee what the effect of new conflict in that part of the world
would do to oil prices...and the price of gasoline? This not to mention any
number of other scenarios that could happen in the region of the world, any
one of which could push oil prices well over $100 a barrel. Can you afford
$5 a gallon gasoline? Someone paying all these 30k price tags appears to be
saying they can.
When I started researching, I had hoped the market would reflect these
things...where people are no longer buying the gas guzzling SUV's and one
could get one for a song perhaps [not that I would want one]; or that
hybrids and other energy alternative forms of transportation were being made
affordable for the common wage earner in the world?
But the market appears to be unaffected...and the prices having risen
substantially...to where my $10,000 is not even a down payment for most
price tags I'm seeing. All that saving...and all I was doing was treading
water, staying 'even'...not getting ahead.
Hell, I'm not even sure I want a car in fear of future of gas
prices...looking at mopeds and air balloons and anything else that might
provide an alternative for survival. Not much is there you see. Oh...the
hybrids of course...again, for the rich people [from where I observe life
anyway].
So...I'm depressed...despondent even...which allows me to rant like this in
public. Wow...a measily $10,000...but for the last couple of years, it gave
me a sense of security...a buffer...just a little one, that if I ever lost
my job, or became sick or something, I could pay the mortgage at least for a
few months. I was being smart...I was going to go in say 'this is what I
want and here's the cash for it'...no haggling, no finance misdirection, no
nothing. I could even play one dealer against the next perhaps...dealer Joe
will take this much, can you better it? Or, this is what I have, take it or
leave it. Boy it would be nice too; for I'll go to my grave with this
darkness upon my soul, put there by these business minded types that have so
twisted me up inside in the past for sake of 'unfair play'. Once upon a
time, used to trust people too. I would argue, that no greater damage has
been done to human trust over the years, than that invoked by the modern car
salesman. Bar none.
The auto industry. I hate it with a passion. End of rant.
Dzlman95 - 25 Sep 2007 20:24 GMT
>I hate the car industry. It is for rich people; those good at bartering
>and manipulating others. I hate it with so much passion, once in a
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> The auto industry. I hate it with a passion. End of rant.
For you sir, I would say that eBay Motors might be the best way to go.
There are lots of cars out there under your $10k limit... and many of them
are listed by private sellers... there are also dealers listing cars, so
double check WHO you're dealing with if you find someting you're interested
in. You can even search for certain brands/types of cars available within
50 or 100 miles of wherever you are, so you can go inspect them live and in
person before bidding a penny... You don't HAVE to deal with car lot
salesman if you don't want to... the choice is yours.
Jeff DeWitt - 25 Sep 2007 23:57 GMT
>> I hate the car industry. It is for rich people; those good at bartering
>> and manipulating others. I hate it with so much passion, once in a
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> person before bidding a penny... You don't HAVE to deal with car lot
> salesman if you don't want to... the choice is yours.
You might also check your local Craigslist.
Jeff DeWitt
Tha RagMan - 27 Oct 2007 21:39 GMT
>I hate the car industry.
There is another source that you should consider. How about one of the
national auto auctions? Just about every large city has one that
supplies the used car market. How do you get in and bid? You find what
day each week they have their sale and show up early. You then
approach dealers with an offer of a couple hundred dollars to list you
as their driver and bid on your behalf. That gets you in. Once in you
can browse hundreds of autos. You can even drive them at most sales
and spend some time checking them out. Many auctions will also advise
the accident history if any. Once you have settled on several, decide
what you are willing to pay and have the dealer bid it for you. Be
prepared to pay the dealer in cash and he will then sign the vehicle
over to you. You may have to attempt to develop a working relationship
with several dealers before you find the one that will work with you.
I found mine many years ago and use him exclusively to buy my vehicles
for me. I have even used him to run a few to sell. All of my purchases
have been at or below wholesale so it turns into a win-win for both
you and the dealer. He picks up a few hundred for 5 minutes of his
time and you save a considerable amount on your auto purchase. The
caveat is to look with your eyes wide open. Check everything you can.
Drive the car if possible. I have always made it a rule to buy
vehicles that are still under warranty. That way if I do get a
surprise, I have some insurance to cover me. You pay a bit more but it
is well worth the additional expense should something not work out. I
also try and buy program cars as these are routinely sold at regular
intervals. These are usually well maintained with low miles and many
times a good amount of warranty left. You'll develop your own set of
rules over time that may differ from the above. This can be a GREAT
way to own the vehicle you want at the price the dealer pays plus a
couple hundred for a luv offering to the dealer who bought it for you.
It has worked for me and I bet many other savvy buyers. Best of luck
on your purchase.
Tha RagMan