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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / General Car Topics / December 2007

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1996 Maxima OEM Alarm goes off for no reason. Please help. Anti-Theft     problem.

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tonyinclearwater@yahoo.com - 06 Dec 2007 20:24 GMT
My 1996 Nissan Maxima security system seems to go off for no reason.
All of a sudden the headlights flash, the horn blows in short bursts.

I have spent some $$$ on getting this car fixed up nice, fixing up the
interior, ETC. This problem is driving me nuts, as I want a perfect
maxima.

It seems to happen about the same time every day, and twice in a row.
it happens once, I stop it by unlocking the car with the remote OR
putting the key in the door lock and turning it. I wait a few minutes,
and it happens again.... Then it does not do it again till the next
day...

Any suggestions please let me know.

Please remove spaces to Email me;

Tony In Clearwater @ yahoo . com

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Security system problem.

Anti-theft system problem.

Horn Goes off for no reason.
Refinish King - 06 Dec 2007 20:32 GMT
Is there any timed device in the car:

As in a lojak updating, and causing a power draw/

An aftermarket radio, with a clock that automatically resets?

A small current draw will set off the alarm, and if it's always at the same
time, it's something to do with a timed device, maybe even a GPS>

I hope this helps.

RK
> My 1996 Nissan Maxima security system seems to go off for no reason.
> All of a sudden the headlights flash, the horn blows in short bursts.
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> Horn Goes off for no reason.
TonyInClearwater - 06 Dec 2007 21:10 GMT
> Is there any timed device in the car:
>
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There is not anything I can think of that is causing a power draw.

No lojack, No aftermarket radio, no GPS.

Someone told me it might be a bad battery, I replaced it yeaterday
with a new Interstate brand 75 month battery. The same problem occored
again today.

I really apprecaite your feedback, I hope I can get this thing
solved...
codifus - 06 Dec 2007 22:39 GMT
On Dec 6, 4:10 pm, TonyInClearwater <tonyinclearwa...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> > Is there any timed device in the car:
>
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> I really apprecaite your feedback, I hope I can get this thing
> solved...

One or more of your ground points is rusted out and making the alarm
flaky. dis-connect the battery and thoroughly clean all ground points.
Get a metal toothbrush and brush the rust away.
There's 2 ground points I can think of off the top of my head: follow
the negative battery cable from the battery to the motor. At one point
in between it also connects to the body. Then there's the connections
from the alternator. OK maybe that's 3. There's a few more but I can't
think of them. Find 'em, clean em. Your car will be good.

CD
Refinish King - 07 Dec 2007 03:08 GMT
Hi again:

The Interstate was the first mistake, they always over rate their cold
craning amps, Auto Zone and Wal Mart have the best batteries.

Now, let's try to isolate this problem:

1- Check the battery cables all the way down, carefully by sliding your
fingers over the insulation. If you feel any bumps, the cable is corroding
from inside out. Do that to both cables, negative and positive and also any
wires near the battery. I would say that might be your problem.

2- Check all of your grounds, especially the ones to the engine and the
body.

I have a feeling that is where your problem might be.

If you have any questions, please feel free to e-mail me directly.

I hope this helps,

RK
>> Is there any timed device in the car:
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> I really apprecaite your feedback, I hope I can get this thing
> solved...
codifus - 07 Dec 2007 13:52 GMT
> Hi again:
>
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> > I really apprecaite your feedback, I hope I can get this thing
> > solved...

This is the 1st I've heard a negative opinion of Interstate batteries.
I've only known it to be a well regarded brand.

CD
Tim - 07 Dec 2007 19:08 GMT
If I were you, I wouldn't replace something just because someone said so...
because you will end up replacing everything in your car eventually.  I
recommend mounting a $1-$2 Volt meter(get it from Harbor Freight), plug it
in your cigarette socket.  When alarm went off, check the voltage against
the moment you left your car.  Good battery should be in between 12V -
12.4V.  11.45V is not a good sign.

I suspect your proximity sensor or a motion sensor maybe tilting due to it
getting hit previously, its wrong position in addition to gravity could
cause your sensor to be extra sensitive.  I know my Mercedes has this motion
sensor because when I lift my front wheel, its alarm went off.  So I think
this theory might be associated with your car.

Good luck.

>> Is there any timed device in the car:
>>
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> I really apprecaite your feedback, I hope I can get this thing
> solved...
Tim - 07 Dec 2007 19:26 GMT
> If I were you, I wouldn't replace something just because someone said
> so... because you will end up replacing everything in your car eventually.
> I recommend mounting a $1-$2 Volt meter(get it from Harbor Freight), plug
> it in your cigarette socket.  When alarm went off, check the voltage
> against

My little mistake here, you won't be able to see the readout if your key is
off ignition, so you must enter and turn on your ignition but do not start
your car, check your car's battery asap after alarm went off.  Who knows,
you could have another bad battery or your charging system is not doing its
work.  1/2 day driving can drain off your battery without the proper Return
Power from your alternator.
Steve B - 08 Dec 2007 07:27 GMT
> My 1996 Nissan Maxima security system seems to go off for no reason.
> All of a sudden the headlights flash, the horn blows in short bursts.
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>
> Horn Goes off for no reason.

I've had the same problem on a 97 Nissan Primera (U.K. model).  In my case I
reckon it's the (original!)battery, all grounds are as good as new (I
checked the voltage drop and have kept them greased for years), but as the
battery is old but good in all other respects I haven't changed it but I've
found a workaround:-

Before you take the ignition key out, turn the headlights on if they
weren't already on, THEN take the key out and wait a few seconds before
turning the lights off and leaving the car.  I believe this may let the
alarm system think the battery voltage is a bit lower than it really is, so
when the unloaded battery voltage suddenly falls a little 5 minutes later
(because it's off charge) it's still higher than the recorded threshold.
Haven't had a false alarm in 6 months since doing this but if I forget then
it goes off half the time about 5-10 minutes after leaving the car.  Yours
does sound like a bad connection though, but try this temporary fix anyway.
Refinish King - 09 Dec 2007 02:22 GMT
That's a great idea!

What you're doing by leaving the lights on, is taking off the surface charge
of the battery, that the alternator puts on it. After a couple of hours, the
parasitic drain from the volatile memory in the computer, even though small.
Draws just enough, now that the battery is older, and  The BCM (Body Control
Module) sees that as an intrusion, as in stepping on the brake for an
example.

Thank you for that idea, I do diagnostics for a living, besides body work.
This will save me a diagnostic nightmare, if a case as this ever enters the
shop.

Thank you again.

RK

>> My 1996 Nissan Maxima security system seems to go off for no reason.
>> All of a sudden the headlights flash, the horn blows in short bursts.
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> car.  Yours does sound like a bad connection though, but try this
> temporary fix anyway.
TonyInClearwater - 09 Dec 2007 19:17 GMT
I apprecaite all the repiles to my previous post and I am gald this
seems to have been of some benefit to the 'Maxima Community'.

Here is a brief recap and an update on my situaiton;

The OEM alarm or Anti-Theft system on my 1996 Maxima seems to be going
off for no reason. The horn starts blowing, the lights flash.

I had originally stated that this seems to happen the same time every
day. That is no longer the case. It seems that was just a coincidence
for the first two days that it happened.

In my original post I also neglected to include that the car had just
been painted nad had some body work done.
A few days after the body work was done I started having problems with
the power window and door lock on the passenger side front door.
I took the car back to the body shop that did the work and the guy
took off the interior door panel and found where shop had left the
plug kind of hanging that connects the power door lock and window
controls.
This leads me to believe they my have also left some other 'bad
connections'. I talked to the owner of the body shop and he says he
will help me find the bad connection. I hope that what ne means by
that is that we will remove each of the door panels and check each of
the connectoins at each of the points that could trigger the alarm
system.

I have a diagram that someone sent me showing the layout of the anti-
theft system and where all these points or connections are.

New concerns, new questions;

A couple nights ago, the starter would not engage upon turning the
key. In some of the reading I have done on Maxima Anti-Theft problems
I have seen this.

In the event that this problem does not magically disappear by itself
I am open to any feedback, advice, suggestions, Etc.

QUESTOIN...

When the alarm goes off on these Maximas, is there anywhere that
information is kept on which trigger-point set the alarm off?

I am in hopes that it is stored in the 'Brain' or the 'Central
Computer' of the Anti-theft system.

If it is not stored, is there any device that I can 'plug-in' to the
Anti-theft system that will record this info?

Unfortunately, I think this question is a long-shot, but I had to ask
it. Any good news on this one certainly apprecaited.
Refinish King - 10 Dec 2007 18:54 GMT
I don't know if the Body Control Module retains this information:

If it does, you will need a high quality scanner, and maybe a dealer only
scanner.

RK

> I apprecaite all the repiles to my previous post and I am gald this
> seems to have been of some benefit to the 'Maxima Community'.
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> Unfortunately, I think this question is a long-shot, but I had to ask
> it. Any good news on this one certainly apprecaited.
codifus - 10 Dec 2007 21:55 GMT
On Dec 9, 2:17 pm, TonyInClearwater <tonyinclearwa...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>.......
> A couple nights ago, the starter would not engage upon turning the
> key. In some of the reading I have done on Maxima Anti-Theft problems
> I have seen this.
....

Only Maxima models 1999 and newer have the OEM alarm that is also the
ignition integrated to the system.

If you are having ignition problems, then its the ignition and not the
alarm. Check the starter, it may be worn.

CD
E Meyer - 13 Dec 2007 15:42 GMT
On 12/10/07 3:55 PM, in article
43de4181-83e7-4a49-91f0-f57432344fd1@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "codifus"

> On Dec 9, 2:17 pm, TonyInClearwater <tonyinclearwa...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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>
> CD

I think you must be thinking of the "Chip"d key, which the '96 does not
have.  The alarm system in the '96 does have an integrated ignition system
cut-out, (its in the FSM).
 
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