>> I do think the association with Ford devalued the Jaguar brand in the
>> eyes of some buyers, but will an Indian owned Jaguar appear better?
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> Jeff DeWitt
I think Ford actually wants cash, not vague promises or junk bonds. Branson
plays a rich guy on TV, but I am not sure he could come up with the Billions
in cash Ford is asking for. Branson's cash flow allows him to appear rich,
but what do you suppose would happen if all his creditors decided to call in
their loans? The only way Branson could buy something like Jaguar from Ford
would be to get together a capital investment group. Ford's former CEO,
Nasser is making such a bid, but Ford isn't interested because they aren't
able to pay in cash. They want to give Ford a bunch of junk bonds - which
Ford doesn't need. I wish there was some way Nasser could come up with
Jaguar (and Land Rover). I'd love to see him try to make money running
Jaguar. After all, he is the nitwit that saddled Ford with it in the first
place. Before Nasser starting making the calls, Ford was planning to launch
upscale models in Europe under the Lincoln brand. Nasser tried to buy names
instead, and all it did was cost money. Even Volvo has not paid any
dividends directly, although at least Ford has been able to take advantage
of some of the Volvo design talent.
I still wonder why the Indians think they can succeed where so many others
have failed. I am guessing that eventually they think they can sell Jaguars
and Land Rovers in India in large numbers because of the "names." So for
them at least, there may be a marketing advantage worth the cost.
Ed
Ted Mittelstaedt - 18 Dec 2007 05:55 GMT
> >> I do think the association with Ford devalued the Jaguar brand in the
> >> eyes of some buyers, but will an Indian owned Jaguar appear better?
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> and Land Rovers in India in large numbers because of the "names." So for
> them at least, there may be a marketing advantage worth the cost.
If they redesign the Land Rover as a real off-road SUV instead of a
rich man's toy ( the way that most of the Jeep lineup has gotten) they will
probably be able to sell quite a lot of them in developing countries. I
would guess that they aren't expecting to make money with Jag - but
probably had to take it on condition of getting Land Rover.
Ted
C. E. White - 18 Dec 2007 23:32 GMT
> If they redesign the Land Rover as a real off-road SUV instead of a
> rich man's toy ( the way that most of the Jeep lineup has gotten) they
> will
> probably be able to sell quite a lot of them in developing countries. I
> would guess that they aren't expecting to make money with Jag - but
> probably had to take it on condition of getting Land Rover.
You mean more like
http://www.landrover.co.uk/gb/en/Vehicles/Defender07/Defender_overview.htm?
Ed
Ted Mittelstaedt - 19 Dec 2007 18:05 GMT
> > If they redesign the Land Rover as a real off-road SUV instead of a
> > rich man's toy ( the way that most of the Jeep lineup has gotten) they
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> You mean more like
http://www.landrover.co.uk/gb/en/Vehicles/Defender07/Defender_overview.htm?
Exactly my point. How many people in developing countries can afford
to drop that kind of money into a vehicle that is going to be driven around
off road? Clearly it's positioned right now at foreign oil companies,
well financed National Geographic expeditions, etc.
Ted
Refinish King - 20 Dec 2007 01:39 GMT
I bet they'll come to the USA smelling like curry.
RK
>> > If they redesign the Land Rover as a real off-road SUV instead of a
>> > rich man's toy ( the way that most of the Jeep lineup has gotten) they
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> Ted
Jeff - 19 Dec 2007 01:37 GMT
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> I still wonder why the Indians think they can succeed where so many others
> have failed. I am guessing that eventually they think they can sell Jaguars
> and Land Rovers in India in large numbers because of the "names." So for
> them at least, there may be a marketing advantage worth the cost.
But the Indians also have a British way of thinking. They were a colony
of Britain for about 150 years after the US was. Maybe a modified
British way of doing things will work out for them. (Of course, the
fully British way didn't work for Jag or Land Rover before.)
Jeff
> Ed