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I'm tired of making the oil companies rich.

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phasor6x@22.com - 11 Mar 2008 11:51 GMT
That's it.  Gas is over $3 a gallon.  I'm trading in my gas guzzler
for something like this:
http://tinyurl.com/c6b9s
I'm tired of making the oil companies rich.
David Poole - 11 Mar 2008 11:57 GMT
>That's it.  Gas is over $3 a gallon.  I'm trading in my gas guzzler
>for something like this:
>http://tinyurl.com/c6b9s
>I'm tired of making the oil companies rich.

Have fun with the exhaust on that one. Just hope there's no spatter.

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People don't confuse me with someone who cares.
necromancer - 11 Mar 2008 16:31 GMT
>>That's it.  Gas is over $3 a gallon.  I'm trading in my gas guzzler
>>for something like this:
>>http://tinyurl.com/c6b9s
>>I'm tired of making the oil companies rich.
>
>Have fun with the exhaust on that one. Just hope there's no spatter.

I hear that it can be rather unpleasant when the tractor on that
particular style of articulated backfires...  ;)

"This town needs an enema!"
           --The Joker
David Poole - 14 Mar 2008 00:44 GMT
>I hear that it can be rather unpleasant when the tractor on that
>particular style of articulated backfires...  ;)

When I was younger I spent a fair amount of time riding horses. The
aroma present at times was all the more reason not to ride behind
them. :-)

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People don't confuse me with someone who cares.
MLOM - 14 Mar 2008 01:06 GMT
> >I hear that it can be rather unpleasant when the tractor on that
> >particular style of articulated backfires...  ;)
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>
> People don't confuse me with someone who cares.

This also reminds me of marching band days...you know your band is bad
when it's positioned in the parade *after* the horses.
MLOM - 12 Mar 2008 01:39 GMT
> phaso...@22.com wrote:
> >That's it.  Gas is over $3 a gallon.  I'm trading in my gas guzzler
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> People don't confuse me with someone who cares.

The exhaust system may require a HAZMAT team.
David Poole - 14 Mar 2008 00:43 GMT
>> phaso...@22.com wrote:
>> >That's it.  Gas is over $3 a gallon.  I'm trading in my gas guzzler
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>The exhaust system may require a HAZMAT team.

At the very least, a full body suit for the passengers in the event
the engine has ignition problems with sub-standard fuel. :-)

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People don't confuse me with someone who cares.
John B. - 11 Mar 2008 19:16 GMT
Hay!!...

"Hay prices contributing to horse caretakers' lack of means"

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2008/03/10/news/doc47d4cae982cea941050322.txt

John B.

> That's it.  Gas is over $3 a gallon.  I'm trading in my gas guzzler
> for something like this:
> http://tinyurl.com/c6b9s
> I'm tired of making the oil companies rich.
benteaches@gmail.com - 12 Mar 2008 15:09 GMT
> Hay!!...
>
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>
> John B.

I bet we could import hay from Saudi Arabia!
websurf1@cox.net - 12 Mar 2008 04:48 GMT
On Mar 11, 4:45 am, phaso...@22.com wrote:
> That's it.  Gas is over $3 a gallon.  I'm trading in my gas guzzler
> for something like this:http://tinyurl.com/c6b9s
> I'm tired of making the oil companies rich.

If we aren't careful, in a few decades you won't be alone....
Jeff DeWitt - 15 Mar 2008 23:42 GMT
> That's it.  Gas is over $3 a gallon.  I'm trading in my gas guzzler
> for something like this:
> http://tinyurl.com/c6b9s
> I'm tired of making the oil companies rich.

I'm tired of the government printing money with nothing to back it but
"the full faith and credit of the US government".
Matthew T. Russotto - 16 Mar 2008 21:48 GMT
>> That's it.  Gas is over $3 a gallon.  I'm trading in my gas guzzler
>> for something like this:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>I'm tired of the government printing money with nothing to back it but
>"the full faith and credit of the US government".

Why?  It's backed by the power of the United States military on the
one hand, and prison rape for tax evaders on the other.  Probably the
most solid backing for money ever.
Signature

 There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
 result in a fully-depreciated one.

Brent P - 16 Mar 2008 23:10 GMT
>>> That's it.  Gas is over $3 a gallon.  I'm trading in my gas guzzler
>>> for something like this:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>one hand, and prison rape for tax evaders on the other.  Probably the
>most solid backing for money ever.

Problem: military is getting its equipment and manpower worn out in Iraq
and if everyone and every corporation is taxed at 100% it will not meet
the current obligations of the US federal government. On the plus side,
the federal government could always just stiff the baby boomers.
Brent P - 16 Mar 2008 23:20 GMT
>>>> That's it.  Gas is over $3 a gallon.  I'm trading in my gas guzzler
>>>> for something like this:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>and if everyone and every corporation is taxed at 100% it will not meet
>the current obligations of the US federal government.

Blah... horribly worded... correction below:

Given the projected growth of current programs of the US federal
government, it could tax everyone and every corporation at 100% of
income and not meet them. Estimates range from 60 to 90 trillion
dollars of obligations.

> On the plus side,
>the federal government could always just stiff the baby boomers and the
problems just go away.
Bob - 16 Mar 2008 22:36 GMT
>> That's it.  Gas is over $3 a gallon.  I'm trading in my gas
>> guzzler
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I'm tired of the government printing money with nothing to back it
> but "the full faith and credit of the US government".

Don't bitch to us about it!!!!!
We are relying on countries that are not all friendly to us to
supply us with oil.
A few years ago, it was proposed that we drill in the Alaska
National Wildlife Refuge where it is thought to be a huge reviver of
oil that could supply us for years.  The liberal Congress fed by
liberal environmentalists voted "NO".

It was proposed to build wind farms off the coast of Mass where
influential  people like the Kennedy's live, but these people said,
"NO" because it hurt their view and interfere with unobstructed
yachting and sailing.

There is oil off the coast of Florida, but we can't drill for it
because it would hurt the view.  Same for California.

There have been no new refineries built in thirty years because it
might have some environmental impact.  Thank you liberals.

Refineries must make and store 19 blends of gasoline thanks to our
legislators.

We are now using our basic food product, corn, to make Ethanol.  The
process to make Ethanol requires about 90% of the energy it
produces, plus it uses huge amounts of water which is a scarce
resource in many areas.

No it is not the oil companies.  It is our government !!!!!!
Please bitch about the cost of gasoline, but not to us.  Write you
senators and you representatives.

Also, you might buy stock in the terrible oil companies.
Bob-tx
benteaches@gmail.com - 19 Mar 2008 18:02 GMT
Jeff, I agree with you completely about ethanol.. not a good long term
solution as it is already causing food prices to skyrocket, and at
best could be an expensive short term stop gap with no long term
benefit.
I dont agree at all with your stance on drilling.
All the new drilling could not be a long term solution.
I think we need to pursue new technologies now to lessen our oil
dependence and reduce environmental impact.
I am eager to see how the Chevy Volt, Mitsubishi Miev turn out, as I
think they are a step in the right direction.
Ben

> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeW...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message

> Don't bitch to us about it!!!!!
> We are relying on countries that are not all friendly to us to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> oil that could supply us for years.  The liberal Congress fed by
> liberal environmentalists voted "NO".

> It was proposed to build wind farms off the coast of Mass where
> influential  people like the Kennedy's live, but these people said,
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> Also, you might buy stock in the terrible oil companies.
> Bob-tx
letterman@invalid.com - 23 Mar 2008 11:47 GMT
>Jeff, I agree with you completely about ethanol.. not a good long term
>solution as it is already causing food prices to skyrocket, and at
>best could be an expensive short term stop gap with no long term
>benefit.

I also agree about the ethynol. I'm semi-retired, but I run a small
farm.  Because every farmer has gone to growing corn, and stopped
growing other grains, as well as hay, and other food crops, we now
face a shortage of wheat, soybeans, oats, and many other crops.  Hay
shortages are the worst ever because almost all livestock eats hay.
No hay means no beef, and other meats, and no horses to use for
transportation.  Do you see where this is going.  It's a full circle
with no way out.  At first the big farmers saw huge profits, and they
actually did make some rather large money in the beginning.  But
that's done and over now.  What they earned as a windfall, is now
being used up to power their oil burning tractors, their fertilizers
are produced from petroleum, so they have tripled in price, and the
cost of hay and grains to feed their animals is out of control. At the
same time, large amounts of trees are being destroyed to use that last
stance of tillable soil, which is often on hillsides, which is eroding
away because the trees, or hay fields held back the water after rains,
but not cornfields.  Of course the more land that's damaged from
improper planting, means there will be less usable land in the future,
and more demand for petroleum based fertilizers.  It's a catch 22 and
no one is going to win in the end, except the oil companies.

>I dont agree at all with your stance on drilling.
>All the new drilling could not be a long term solution.
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>think they are a step in the right direction.
>Ben

I agree here too, and I am someone who cares about the environment
too.  It's the oil companies that have kept us "addicted" to their
filthy oil all these years.  The technology was there as early as the
1950's to make cars that got much better milage, but the oil companies
bought the inventions and filed them where they would never be seen
again.  These articles have appeared in Popular Mechanics and other
magazines for years, and scientists have agreed.  The days of the
internal combustion engines are way beyond obsolete.  Electric
vehicles are one step in the right direction, using solar charging as
much as possible.  Hydrogen looks promising too.  

One thing I disagree about the OP was his blaming the "liberals".  I
think this guy has been listening to Limbaugh far too long.
Liberalism is a state of mind and thought, not a means to an end for
conservation.  We all need to conserve our lands or none of our future
generations will be eating.  

The thing that gets me is that we constantly keep hearing from the
government that we must conserve.... MUST CONSERVE !!!!
Turn off those lights, stop driving unless absolutely necessary, turn
down the thermostats, etc etc.....  Well, I turned down my thermostat
years ago when I could not keep up paying for the fuel, I turned it
down so much that I became ill from living in the cold.  I turned off
all the unnecessary lights too.  I combine trips to town to save on
gas, and I often now find myself quite lonely because living in a
rural area requires driving to visit a friend, and there is no corner
grocery store, no city busses, and riding a bicycle 5 miles to town in
the dead of winter is not even practical.  I have found myself riding
my horse to town, since I feed her (expensive) hay anyhow, but there
again, that's only in warmer weather and when I'm only going to buy a
saddle bag full of groceries.  When I go to buy a couple tons of hay
to feed the horse, I have to use a gas powered vehicle.

The govt. can harp all they want about conserving, but many of us have
conserved as far as we can and there are no more corners to cut,
unless we become ill, and cut ourselves off from the rest of the
world.

The bottom line is this:

If the government REALLY cared, they would tell the oil companies to
take a flying leap off a cliff and start doing something about
alternative energy.  But they keep taking the payoffs from Big Oil,
and do little except bring us these public service announcemnts
telling us to conserve.  They're not doing their jobs !!!!
benteaches@gmail.com - 24 Mar 2008 14:16 GMT
I believe that no significant positive changes will come in the
foreseeable future unless there is a strong government mandate.
All 3 candidates are jumping on the 'green' bandwagon, I hope whoever
wins has the courage to follow through.
Ben

> The govt. can harp all they want about conserving, but many of us have
> conserved as far as we can and there are no more corners to cut,
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>
> If the government REALLY cared,

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