Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / General Car Topics / October 2008
2007 twin-turbo Saleen Parnelli Jones Mustang
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DC - 21 Oct 2008 18:24 GMT driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any of the current Mustang variants, the Parnelli Jones would probably be it...(a total of 500 were produced)...but one particular owner decided to make his PJ Mustang truly unique. How? He added dual 57mm Precision turbos, upgraded forged pistons, aluminum heads, a full three-inch exhaust system, and much, much more. In total, the motor produces 768 horsepower and 769 lb-ft torque -- at the wheels! The look of the car remains completely unchanged, making it as much of a sleeper as a car painted in Grabber Orange can be. The modded Parnelli is now up for sale on eBay Motors http://xrl.us/2007Mustang ...
Hawgman - 21 Oct 2008 20:57 GMT > driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any > of the current Mustang variants, the Parnelli Jones would [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > be. The modded Parnelli is now up for sale on eBay Motors > http://xrl.us/2007Mustang ... Ahhhhh.. nothing like taking an overpriced in the first place limited production special edition vehicle and modifying it so that it looses it's "special edition" value then trying to sell it in the hopes of getting your money back.
fred - 22 Oct 2008 00:01 GMT >> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any >> of the current Mustang variants, the Parnelli Jones would [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > it's "special edition" value then trying to sell it in the hopes of > getting your money back. Well there *is* the possibility that the original parts come with it - in *whatever* condition they happen to be in...
adventuremyk - 22 Oct 2008 17:13 GMT >> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any >> of the current Mustang variants, the Parnelli Jones would [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >"special edition" value then trying to sell it in the hopes of getting your >money back. It doesn't really matter until they shave about 750lbs off the car which would have been more effective than simply adding more HP anyhow.
I will never, personally, understand why someone takes a car that starts out at around $17-18k and spends over $50-70k, or even $100k for the upscaled version of what is still a $17-18k. Then you toss in the fact that many of them are in rental fleets and the resale plummets that much more.
I like the Mustang. It's a really nice looking car. Alas, even supercharged, turbocharged, tweaked twiddled and twollopped it's still not an over $35k car to me and that's if it had a full warranty to go with it.
.boB - 22 Oct 2008 17:46 GMT > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:57:43 -0500, "Hawgman" > <nunya@nowhere.net> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > a full warranty to go > with it.
 Signature I'd agree with you. I love my new Mustang. It's a great little Pony car - fun to drive, comfy, economical, killer looks, low purchase price, and easy maintenance. All the things you'de want in a daily driver. One of the best cars I'v owned in a long time.
But as a performance car, it's sadly lacking. Too heavy, not enough power, not enough cubes, soft suspension, small brakes. There's no way I'd $75K on a souped up limited edition Mustang, when I can get a Z06 for the same money.
-------- .boB 2006 FXDI hot rod 2008 Mustang Coupe- Pony, V6/T5 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.
Mike Hunter - 22 Oct 2008 17:58 GMT Yes but you will not have a back seat! ;)
>>>> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any >>>> of the current Mustang variants, >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> not an over $35k car to me and that's if it had a full warranty to go >> with it. Frank ess - 22 Oct 2008 21:25 GMT > Yes but you will not have a back seat! ;) > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92 >> 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast. Both valid observations: Mustangs nice; Z06, no back seat.
From my experience with S197 Mustangs, it seems to me either the V6 or the V8 is much more car than anyone really needs, overweight problem notwithstanding. In either of them there is almost never occasion to legally enjoy their capabilities. For those who find the opportunity, cost of useful modifications is the least significant aspect of the process. The Ford Factory Racers pare off a bit of avoirdupois and put the money in the good stuff. Out of my financial league, but still a neat package and a good value to those whose needs they fill.
I did extensive bolt-in suspension modifications on my V6 convertible, added excellent wheels and tires, and came up with an on-ramp masterpiece. Worked good on the autocross track, too. A real pleasure to drive, but there it sits. Occasional autocross, occasional ramp joy, occasional trip to the supermarket, occasional pleasure cruise. Very few moments of full-use, and quite an investment just sitting there. Seems as if the process of modifying it was as important and as pleasurable as the ressult of all the money and the work. That may have been true of the Parnelli Jones turbocharged project. Keep busy, feelgood process and project.
Couple months ago I thought I was ready for a Shelby GT500, and shopped a few. Test drives were delightful, I really enjoyed the cars. Even at bargain basement prices, well under sticker, not for me. I correctly anticipated the potential outcome of a GT500 purchase: same deal as the modded V6. Nice car, lots of MPH capability, 'pedigree', a pleasure to behold, all dressed up and no place to go. It would take serious investment in time and money to use it at its limits more than 'occasionally'. I don't have the resources for that. I know of a few who do, and I see the lengths they go to in trying to enjoy their cars at that end of the envelope. Costly.
I settled for a GT/CS, recognizing its benefits and its limits, and the limits it places on my impulse to modify it. Kind of a governor on my behavior.
The differences between the V6 and the GT are not as important as the similarities: either of them is a loaded gun on the highway, capable of getting me - a decent and mature driver - into trouble with little effort. Either the young folks with S197s have more sense than I give them credit for, or someone is covering up a boatload of dangerous behavior and accidents.
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Mike Hunter - 22 Oct 2008 17:56 GMT The Mustangs in rental fleets as V6s, a whole different animal than the GT V8s. The resale value on the V8 is fantastic. I drove home my '09 GT convertible in March for $5,000, trading on '07 GT convertible. The dealer sold it within a week for just $3,000 less than I paid for in August of '06. Drive a 500 or a KR and it will become apparent why they are worth the price to ride ;)
>>> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any >>> of the current Mustang variants, the Parnelli Jones would [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > not an over $35k car to me and that's if it had a full warranty to go > with it. adventuremyk - 22 Oct 2008 20:55 GMT >The Mustangs in rental fleets as V6s, a whole different animal than the GT >V8s. The resale value on the V8 is fantastic. I drove home my '09 GT >convertible in March for $5,000, trading on '07 GT convertible. The dealer >sold it within a week for just $3,000 less than I paid for in August of '06. >Drive a 500 or a KR and it will become apparent why they are worth the price >to ride ;) There are quite a few V8's in the rental fleets around here but yes they do have better resale than the V6's. I'd have a hard time thinking you were that close in price with this economy unless the '09 incentives were huge (based on this economy that's not a stretch).
I haven't driven the KR or 500. Pure power doesn't do it for me. I want the overall package with an emphasis on handling and fun. The GT's I have driven (albeit only 3 of the new model, all basic manuals), already felt nose heavy and wallowy in suspension. The more I read about the supercharged models they come across as even more nose heavy.
Rip about 750lbs or so out of the car and you help every aspect of performance instead of just one.
Oh, and none of my vehicles have a back seat unless you count the motorcycles though my wife's car has one. I think we have carried passengers twice in the last year. <grin> You won't see me rushing off to buy a Corvette either. I prefer to drive a car rather than lay in an overstuffed no-feeling lounge chair, and yes, I have driven several of the new Vette's (but not the Z06's).
Come to think of it, used Z06's are in the $20's...
Scott W. - 23 Oct 2008 18:51 GMT > The Mustangs in rental fleets as V6s, Except for the Shelby Hertz GT cars. I know a guy who has 2. Bought them directly from Hertz. a coupe and a convertible.
Mike Hunter - 23 Oct 2008 19:15 GMT What is your point? One can rent a MB, RR etc from rental car companies is some markets, but they certainly not dumped on them and not the norm.
>> The Mustangs in rental fleets as V6s, > > Except for the Shelby Hertz GT cars. I know a guy who has 2. Bought them > directly from Hertz. a coupe and a convertible. GILL - 22 Oct 2008 18:22 GMT > driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any > of the current Mustang variants, the Parnelli Jones would [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > be. The modded Parnelli is now up for sale on eBay Motors > http://xrl.us/2007Mustang ... I wouldn't kick it to the curb but I will have to wait till the rich kids are done playing with their toys :)
 Signature Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT W/bits & pieces http://tinyurl.com/2uqoat
Mike Hunter - 22 Oct 2008 18:32 GMT I think I would wait till 2047, when you can get a half million at auction ;)
>> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any of the current >> Mustang variants, the Parnelli Jones would probably be it...(a total of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I wouldn't kick it to the curb but I will have to wait till the rich kids > are done playing with their toys :) GILL - 22 Oct 2008 18:46 GMT If history repeats, then again maybe we will buy Chinese knock-offs at Walmart.
> I think I would wait till 2047, when you can get a half million at auction > ;) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> I wouldn't kick it to the curb but I will have to wait till the rich kids >> are done playing with their toys :)
 Signature Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT W/bits & pieces http://tinyurl.com/2uqoat
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