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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / General Car Topics / May 2009Traffic Cameras: The Sheep are Fighting Back!
You'd assume that the American people would get pissed when Big Brother puts x-ray machines that can see their most private parts at airports, or when their telephones are tapped and their emails are being checked, but NO, they are only concerned about the traffic cameras that do indeed a great job of calming traffic and making a little bit safer for those at the bottom of the food chain like motorcycles, cyclists and pedestrians... The right of the predator to run wild is sacred, but the right of the prey to be safe is not. Funny sheep, they are so easily manipulated. (I quote) "The village of Schaumburg, Ill., installed a camera at Woodfield Mall last November to film cars that were running red lights, then used the footage to issue citations. Results were astonishing. The town issued $1 million in fines in just three months. But drivers caught by the unforgiving enforcement -- which mainly snared those who didn't come to a full stop before turning right on red -- exploded in anger. Many vowed to stop shopping at the mall unless the camera was turned off. The village stopped monitoring right turns at the intersection in January. Once a rarity, traffic cameras are filming away across the country. And they're not just focusing their sights on red-light runners. The latest technology includes cameras that keep tabs on highways to catch speeders in the act and infrared license-plate readers that nab ticket and tax scofflaws." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123811365190053401.html?mod=yhoofront NOTE: Traffic cameras are common in Europe, where people get rebellious about other stuff. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Monkeys of the World, Unite! You've got nothing to lose but your cages" (a cage is a car in the jargon of those on two wheels... ride a bike!) http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution > You'd assume that the American people would get pissed when Big > Brother puts x-ray machines that can see their most private parts at [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > NOTE: Traffic cameras are common in Europe, where people get > rebellious about other stuff. Unfortunately, not nearly enough rebellion is happening. On Mar 28, 9:14 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: <snip> f.ck off. >On Mar 28, 9:14 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> >wrote: > ><snip> > >F*#$ off. Is that "F*#$" off as in: a)I don't like Mr. Banana, 'cause we have a history. b)I disagree with what Mr. Banana has posted. c)I'm having a bad day. d)I'm having a good day but it just seemed like a fun thing to write. The Lizard > >On Mar 28, 9:14 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > The Lizard That's equivalent to a sheep saying, "BAHHHH" They just hate the black sheep (the one who thinks) On Mar 29, 4:56 pm, "Beav" <beavis.origi...@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote: > "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > And make even more fat cats to sponge of us? Great idea, where do I sign up? Thanks! So is the UK moving toward or away from SOCIALISM? That's the scare word used here in the US, for everything from BIKE FACILITIES to HEALTHCARE. But I think here the government is already mostly a private enterprise. ;) >On Mar 28, 9:14 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> >wrote: > ><snip> > >F*#$ off. Is that "F*#$" off as in: a)I don't like Mr. Banana, 'cause we have a history. b)I disagree with what Mr. Banana has posted. c)I'm having a bad day. d)I'm having a good day but it just seemed like a fun thing to write. The Lizard (this is some feedback from where there are a lot of cameras, but they are not privatized... is the UK a police state?) Originally Posted by cyclezealot "Wear your shades and a helmet , should you run thru a red light on your bike.. That way you won't be identified... ... I am mixed about the issue.. The UK has gone too far with cameras... I suspect we'd have better control over abuse should the police department run the cameras over the scams private control will render should the profit motive let them rig the cameras as mentioned above. Your city counilman is some what more receptive to your complaints than the president at Blackwater, Inc..." *** OK, let me ask you then, the traffic cameras in the UK have not been privatized? Maybe we should privatize government to make it less bureaucratic? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Monkeys of the World, Unite! You've got nothing to lose but your cages" (a cage is a car in the jargon of those on two wheels... ride a bike!) http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution > (this is some feedback from where there are a lot of cameras, but they > are not privatized... is the UK a police state?) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > OK, let me ask you then, the traffic cameras in the UK have not been > privatized? The speed cams in the UK *were* a cash generator for the companies that (a) made them and (b) used them in partnership with the police. The rules changed last year and now these partnerships don't get the cash, it goes instead to the treasury. The local councils then have to apply to the treasury for funding new ones or fund them themselves and they're too expensive, so fewer councils are installing them now. Some obviously still are, but there are some who don't which quite rare a year or two ago. > Maybe we should privatize government to make it less bureaucratic? And make even more fat cats to sponge of us? Great idea, where do I sign up?  SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 On Mar 29, 11:59 am, "Jujitsu Lizard" <jujitsu.liz...@gmail.com> wrote: > Is that "F*#$" off as in: e) he's idiot, moron adn weak trool that is in need of gelding. >On Mar 29, 11:59 am, "Jujitsu Lizard" <jujitsu.liz...@gmail.com> >wrote: > >> Is that "F*#$" off as in: > >e) he's idiot, moron adn weak trool that is in need of gelding. Despite his perceived shortcomings, he seems to be a good speller. For example, I think he can spell "troll" correctly. The Lizard. > On Mar 29, 11:59 am, "Jujitsu Lizard" <jujitsu.liz...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Is that "F*#$" off as in: > > e) he's idiot, moron adn weak trool that is in need of gelding. I won't even bother to look up that word in the dictionary. On Mar 28, 11:14 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > You'd assume that the American people would get pissed when Big > Brother puts x-ray machines that can see their most private parts at [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > NOTE: Traffic cameras are common in Europe, where people get > rebellious about other stuff. They gots nuttin on us "free" Muricanz: http://www.daytondailynews.com/search/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/03/27/ddn 032709videochaseweb.html > On Mar 28, 11:14 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Cameras should be everywhere, except the toilets. If the rich have them in their gated communities, we could have them to protect ourselves. our homes, our parks, our roads. Actually we can catch a few sexual predators if we put them in the restrooms. ;) On Mar 28, 7:27 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: Oh for f.cks sake you troll...traffic cameras aren't needed EVER. Nor any other state run camera. No go ride your push bike to argentina and STAY there...america doesn't need a.sholes like you and that c.nt pelosi. -- Keith > On Mar 28, 7:27 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > Keith Argentina? Isn't that the birthplace of Che Guevara? Well, let me ask a question, Mr. Sheep, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE YOUR CAMPAIGN FOR NO CAMERAS TO AIRPORTS, SHOPPING MALLS AND EVEN WORKPLACES? I'm telling you, you are easily manipulated. ;) On Mar 29, 11:38 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Mar 28, 7:27 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > CAMPAIGN FOR NO CAMERAS TO AIRPORTS, SHOPPING MALLS AND EVEN > WORKPLACES? LOL because even though I know they aren't needed I don't give a flying f.ck. Really I just don't care...you lot can rot. > I'm telling you, you are easily manipulated. ;) Yeah it's true, once they get my cock in their mouth I'm a push over adn agree to anything...last time I ended up building a roof over a porch and then re-roofing the house. c.nts like you and all the cagers are the problem...a nice pogrom is the solution. -- Keith Life long Trotskite > On Mar 29, 11:38 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - What's wrong with you, dude. Don't you see we are trying to liberate the monkeys from their cages? : You'd assume that the American people would get pissed when Big : Brother puts x-ray machines that can see their most private parts at [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] : NOTE: Traffic cameras are common in Europe, where people get : rebellious about other stuff. An aside there was a recent TV news article in DFW (Dallas Fort Worth) were a number of municipalities are using traffic cameras all but one are losing big buck on the process. The one that is making money the local merchants are complaining about the loss of business as people shop elsewhere. Former Congressman D. Armey had substantial data showing the process was gamed by the equipment/service providers. > : You'd assume that the American people would get pissed when Big > : Brother puts x-ray machines that can see their most private parts at [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Former Congressman D. Armey had substantial data showing the process was > gamed by the equipment/service providers. Yep, they shorten the yellow light. That equals more $$$. If you shorten the time of yellow sufficiently the average[1] driver is bound to get ticketed. i.e, - Not some type A or completely unaware dirver. You know, most of us that like to live. >Yep, they shorten the yellow light. That equals more $$$. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >i.e, - Not some type A or completely unaware dirver. You know, most >of us that like to live. Seems odd. The claim is that the cameras are for public safety. Shortening the yellow light goes in the other direction (it will create more T-bone crashes). The Lizard > >Yep, they shorten the yellow light. That equals more $$$. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > The Lizard I wouldn't doubt that it does. But what it increases even more is rear end crashes. When someone knows the only way to avoid a ticket is to slam brakes quick it can catch the driver behind of guard. Bruce > > "BryanUT" <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Particularly when they are chatting on the phone like they don't give a sh.t, right? ;) You may even rear end someone. On Mar 28, 5:46 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > "BryanUT" <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Particularly when they are chatting on the phone like they don't give > a sh.t, right? ;) Could be. Seems pretty stupid to make a bad situation worse than it was though. > You may even rear end someone.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Not too likely I will, but it is more likely if the car ahead stomps on the brakes just because the light went to yellow. > On Mar 28, 5:46 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - No EXCUSES for it. The car that rear ends is AT FAULT. Please stick that phone up your... well, you know use the speaker or something. Bruce Richmond <bsr3997@my-deja.com> wrote in news:d9769f4c-3415-42c6-a860- af5c7f5d3b47@42g2000yqk.googlegroups.com: > I wouldn't doubt that it does. But what it increases even more is > rear end crashes. When someone knows the only way to avoid a ticket > is to slam brakes quick it can catch the driver behind of guard. Perhaps the "driver behind" shouldn't be following so closely. After all, if you are somewhere that requires a traffic light most likely there are other road hazards around which might make one use the brakes quickly... SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com > Bruce Richmond <bsr3...@my-deja.com> wrote in news:d9769f4c-3415-42c6-a860- > af5c7f5d3...@42g2000yqk.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > RCOS #7 > IBA# 11465http://imagesdesavions.com Chances are, the driver behind will be too busy talking on the phone to be aware of the changing light. We shouldn't regulate that either? ComandanteBanana <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in news:c47a1020-a757- 44ab-b542-d54226ff159f@z9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com: > Chances are, the driver behind will be too busy talking on the phone > to be aware of the changing light. > > We shouldn't regulate that either? Nope... Far too many people are still alive because of government coddling. Thin the herd a bit, I say. SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com >Seems odd. The claim is that the cameras are for public safety. Anyone who thinks that red light cameras are about safety is either deluded (like most sheeple are) or full of sh.t (like the camera operaters). >Shortening the yellow light goes in the other direction (it will create > more T-bone crashes). The cities and the camera companies couldn't care less about that. All they care about is extorting money from people by any means, trick or out right lie that they can. -- "This town needs an enema!" --The Joker On Mar 28, 5:35 pm, necromancer - ECHM <55_sux@worldofnecromancer_no_spam_no_way.org> wrote: > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:11:05 -0400, "Jujitsu Lizard" > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > "This town needs an enema!" > --The Joker Hey, EVERYTHING in this country is about business, but this may as well have some positive side effect. >>Yep, they shorten the yellow light. That equals more $$$. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Shortening the yellow light goes in the other direction (it will create > more T-bone crashes). They're f.ck all to do with safety and everything to do with generating cash from the motorist/rider SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 > An aside there was a recent TV news article in DFW (Dallas Fort Worth) > were [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Former Congressman D. Armey had substantial data showing the process was > gamed by the equipment/service providers. At the coffee shop where I go (not that I have a choice, only one in Marshall, MI), I've noticed a couple USA Today articles: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/states/ohio/2009-03-22-4128688276_x.htm http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/states/nebraska/2009-03-14-3224702094_x.htm From the second link above: <BEGIN> In Clive, for instance, the red-light camera program generated $39,548.65 between July 2006 and March 2007, but all of that money went to the camera company because Clive didn't ticket enough drivers in any single month to make money. Clive has since changed its contract and now gets a percentage of each ticket. <END> The companies that install and monitor the cameras normally get a majority percentage (which surprises a lot of people). And ticks them off at the same time. The Lizard > In Clive, for instance, the red-light camera program generated $39,548.65 > between July 2006 and March 2007, but all of that money went to the camera > company because Clive didn't ticket enough drivers in any single month to > make money. Clive has since changed its contract and now gets a percentage > of each ticket. Victorville recently raised the fine and you now pay $446 for a red-light ticket. Only $162 of that goes to the city, according to the Daily Press. http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/soon_11535___article.html/cameras_victorville.html SignatureSteve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls." But if you have no walls, how can you have windows? >> In Clive, for instance, the red-light camera program generated $39,548.65 >> between July 2006 and March 2007, but all of that money went to the camera [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/soon_11535___article.html/cameras_victorville.html They should rename it 'BendOverVille'. Then again, look at Virginia's new raft of insane traffic fines http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-06-29-Va-new-driving-laws_N.htm The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed limit will be $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically about $200 Driving without a license? That's a mandatory $900 civil penalty, in addition to the ordinary $100 for a fine and court costs The civil penalties apply only to Virginia residents, not out-of-state drivers. Virginians must pay in three installments over 26 months or lose their licenses. The state Legislature didn't think it could enforce the extra penalties in other states. They should rename it 'Virgin(until we get a hold of your a.s ) ia. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm > The civil penalty for going 20 mph over the speed limit will be > $1,050, plus $61 in court costs and a fine that is typically about > $200 > > Driving without a license? That's a mandatory $900 civil penalty, in > addition to the ordinary $100 for a fine and court costs Seems to me there's a real easy way to avoid having to pay these high fees. SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com > On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:14:27 +0000 (UTC), Steve Sobol > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Free demo online atwww.pmilligan.net/palm/ > Free 'People finder' program now atwww.pmilligan.net/finder.htm I call it Vagina...it's a bitch. I once thought I might like it there...now I never ever want to go back. I think people should vote with their feet and leave in droves places that treat them like potential criminals and sheep just to extort. When a stranger demands $1000 cash from you when you were just minding your own business, that's called mugging. When the government does it, it's called "law enforcement". > They should rename it 'BendOverVille'. According to my wife, who is from the Victor Valley, it's been that way for a long time. SignatureSteve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls." But if you have no walls, how can you have windows? > > In Clive, for instance, the red-light camera program generated $39,548.65 > > between July 2006 and March 2007, but all of that money went to the camera [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls." > But if you have no walls, how can you have windows? I think if you give a CUT to the government EVERYTHING is good. But somethings like should NOT be privatized like like WAR and PRISONS, while others like TRAFFIC CAMERAS... well, we just gotta live with it. On Mar 29, 5:27 pm, Frog Britches <@ribb.it> wrote: > ComandanteBanana wrote: > > You'd assume that the American people would get pissed when Big [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I bet THE PREDATOR is watching you at the store. Of course, just to keep small predators from stuffing their pockets with chocolate. ;) And do you fly? I'm working on some underwear that says, "f.ck Big Brother!" (Yes, they check that too!) On Mar 28, 1:45 pm, "Beav" <beavis.origi...@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote: > > You'd assume that the American people would get pissed when Big > > Brother puts x-ray machines that can see their most private parts at [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - Show quoted text - How do you plan to TAME TRAFFIC then? How do you keep those who always run the red lights from doing so, put a cop at every light? > How do you plan to TAME TRAFFIC then? > > How do you keep those who always run the red lights from doing so, put > a cop at every light? How many collisions resulted from the rolling stop right turns? Surely the camera caught all those. How many? > > How do you plan to TAME TRAFFIC then? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > How many collisions resulted from the rolling stop right turns? Surely the > camera caught all those. How many? Whatever its drawbacks we can be sure the worst predators will be caught. You can go a long time driving like an idiot and not be caught by one of those infamous cops with the speed guns, but it will be hard to escape the automatic cameras. Actually it will be a good deterrent just the way cameras at airports are for terrorists. Road terrorists beware! >Whatever its drawbacks we can be sure the worst predators will be >caught. You can go a long time driving like an idiot and not be caught >by one of those infamous cops with the speed guns, but it will be hard >to escape the automatic cameras. OK, so if what these people are doing is so terrible, then put them in jail for their, "offense." Otherwise, anyone who claims that traffic enforcement is about safety is full of sh.t. >Actually it will be a good deterrent just the way cameras at airports >are for terrorists. Road terrorists beware! Yeah, right - I'm sure that Mohammed Atta was just quaking in his boots about those cameras in the airports taking his picture.... -- "A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining, but wants it back the minute it begins to rain." -- Mark Twain On Mar 28, 10:15 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Actually it will be a good deterrent just the way cameras at airports > are for terrorists. Road terrorists beware! Looks like Aunt Judy is back...I get such a kick out of driving nazis being busted and fined the f.ck out of. The police state has been building awhile but was full force after 9/11...don't expect any freedom ever again at this rate. On Mar 29, 8:56 pm, garoadwarrio...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Mar 28, 10:15 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Listen, Big Brother will eat you no matter what. It better be in a way that protects the weak and smart from the big and stupid. On Mar 28, 2:29 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > How do you plan to TAME TRAFFIC then? > > How do you keep those who always run the red lights from doing so, put > a cop at every light? Simple: Offer not only a free pass but a reward to anyone who can squash a self-important bicyclist in the process of running that red light, and double the fine if they miss. No downside I can see. > On Mar 28, 2:29 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No downside I can see. It doesn't really give us folk who live in the country a fair crack at them..... :( .....those Tour de France wannabes pack riding on back roads ought to be fair game? >> On Mar 28, 2:29 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > them..... :( .....those Tour de France wannabes pack riding on back > roads ought to be fair game? Maybe there could be some sort of a government subsidy for folks who don't have equal access to bicyclists? The Lizrd > On Mar 28, 2:29 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No downside I can see. They won't squash me, because I don't feel safe from criminals like you to go on the road. > : You'd assume that the American people would get pissed when Big > : Brother puts x-ray machines that can see their most private parts at [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Former Congressman D. Armey had substantial data showing the process was > gamed by the equipment/service providers. And, if you also recall(or track the issues in the event that you don't live here), the state of Texas stepped in to gain their cut. Apparently, salivating over the red light revenue, the state has moved in to claim their half of the red light proceeds. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1782.asp http://www.hro.house.state.tx.us/focus/redlight79-15.pdf This, put a huge damper on the Texas cities concerning their plan(s) for the new found revenue. Along with many new rules/restrictions, some say the split spoiled the remaining incentive. > And, if you also recall(or track the issues in the event > that you don't live here), the state of Texas stepped in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > new rules/restrictions, some say the split spoiled the > remaining incentive. It seems to be a tax on a good idea, of softs; one might call it a jealousy tax. One government agency is jealous that others have found a way to get more wool from the sheep. But when the "trauma fund" fills up with a bit of cash, what stops the legislators from reallocating the money? Who is overseeing them? > > And, if you also recall(or track the issues in the event > > that you don't live here), the state of Texas stepped in [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > But when the "trauma fund" fills up with a bit of cash, what stops the > legislators from reallocating the money? Who is overseeing them? The sheep will be fleeced one way or another, just a matter of feeding the wolf while enjoying some protection. > But drivers caught by the unforgiving enforcement -- which mainly > snared those who didn't come to a full stop before turning right on > red -- exploded in anger. Many vowed to stop shopping at the mall > unless the camera was turned off. The village stopped monitoring right > turns at the intersection in January. Yeah, the full-stop thing is a bit open to debate. I'd be curious to know exactly how many collisions (both with vehicles and pedestrians) are provoked by people who fail to come to a full stop while turning on red. Probably some but not many. Still, if the law saves even one pedestrian or motorcyclist, it may be worth it. Most drivers who fail to fully stop come down to probably 3MPH or under. Doesn't seem that much of a risk. They are looking, or they wouldn't slow down at all except for the physics to allow them to make the turn (and that limit is probably in the tens of miles per hour). All interesting reading. Thank you. The Lizard > down at all except for the physics to allow them to make the turn (and > that limit is probably in the tens of miles per hour). "90" is a ten's... SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com On Mar 28, 4:51 pm, BryanUT <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote: > On Mar 28, 2:24 pm, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Well, maybe the DOT should regulate how long a yellow light should be. How many seconds you want it to last? We can regulate all that stuff if we can regulate what's DUI or not by a fraction of a number. On Mar 28, 1:45 pm, "Beav" <beavis.origi...@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote: > "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Guys, I don't get it. This seems to be a common concern among you, and PRIVATIZATION is the law of the land, or law of the jungle, lately. Then you are READY for a REVOLUTION that fights the law of the jungle --this one, of course... Privatization; The Law of the Jungle Editorial by Doug Holdread January 27, 2005 From State Houses to the hallowed halls of Washington, privatization is in fashion. Private prisons are a lucrative growth industry. Vouchers open the way for private schools which are supposed to introduce a healthy competitive dynamic into education. And the writing is on the wall at the little community college where I work that the State will be weaning us from its financial support. Even aspects of the U.S. military are being privatized. Halliburton has an exclusive, no-bid, “private” contract to do all of the stuff that used to be part of military logistics. And now George Bush is trying to sell us on the idea of privatizing Social Security. “Privatization” is an interesting word. It’s kind of similar to the word, “secret.” If something is private, it’s not public. It’s nobody's business but the parties involved. One of the problems with the "public sector" is that the public has the notion that there should be "public scutiny" of what the government is doing with our money and in our name. Of course the Pentagon has had its "black budget" for a long time, and now in the name of "national security" all sorts of governmental functions have been edged out of the sunshine and into the shadows. One nice shady place is "the private sector." We all love our privacy. Big corporations probably love it most of all. And our government is discovering that by crawling in with corporate bed-fellows it is able to pull the sheets of privacy up snuggly under its chin. http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote81 On Mar 28, 10:29 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 28, 1:45 pm, "Beav" <beavis.origi...@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote81 Privatization was a half-hearted initiative of the Bush years that has gone the way of the Dodo bird...and what I mean by "half-hearted" meaning a more nazi-like public-private partnership instead of TRUE privatization (government not involved whatsoever). A city/state government paying a "private" vendor to do work when their only customer is government agencies is NOT privatization...that is a government contractor. The "free" America hasn't existed hardly in any form since the mid-20th century and largely vanished after the 1920's. Think about how most roads are built these days...supposedly private contractors with almost no other customers than the government. On Mar 29, 9:03 pm, garoadwarrio...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Mar 28, 10:29 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I think Big Brother is now up for sale. And maybe ON SALE too! >You'd assume that the American people would get pissed when Big >Brother puts x-ray machines that can see their most private parts at [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution The public response to these traffic cameras very well could be handled with a can of Krylon or a pellet rifle. > You'd assume that the American people would get pissed when Big > Brother puts x-ray machines that can see their most private parts at [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution My Family and I have quit going to or through one one town that has put up numerous traffic cameras. We have cut out sections of another one. We used to buy a lot of stuff at a Sams Club there and quite a bit of fuel in the other one. I've heard some others say they have quit shopping in those areas too. I don't know how much business they are losing but I don't have to shop in areas where Big Brother is taking pictures. I never did care much for being snooped on. It is unAmerican. I don't like it when the hairs, on the back, of my neck, stand up because some predator is watching me. > > You'd assume that the American people would get pissed when Big > > Brother puts x-ray machines that can see their most private parts at [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On Mar 28, 9:14 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: Who cares? Got a 22? No more camera. Me I care less and less about the masses...they don't matter period. They wont do for themselves. -- Keith Motorcyclists are the NEW Royals, bow down to us. > On Mar 28, 9:14 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Motorcyclists are the NEW Royals, bow down to us. C'mon, cowboy, how many have you hit? Just a bluff, right? ;) ....eleven posts, with MAYBE ten lines, total, of new content among them. Get help, man. Seriously. Bob M. > ....eleven posts, with MAYBE ten lines, total, of new content among > them. > > Get help, man. Seriously. > > Bob M. I don't waste my punches. It saves energy for my bike rides. It was nice, about 10mls. You have a lot to say though. > I don't waste my punches. > > It saves energy for my bike rides. It was nice, about 10mls. 10 ml of gasoline @ 40 miles/gallon = ~ 0.1 mile. Short but sweet, eh? > > I don't waste my punches. > > > It saves energy for my bike rides. It was nice, about 10mls. > > 10 ml of gasoline @ 40 miles/gallon = ~ 0.1 mile. Short but sweet, eh? No, I meant miles, which is equivalent to 3.3 bananas at 3 miles per banana. (see numbers here) http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/browse_thread/thread/8ff5f16706 2d3b58/53c6fbb1490154dd?hl=en&q=author:comandantebanana Hey, I don't like to write to much here, because I'm saving the best for the revolution (and you, guys, are all excuses)... On Mar 31, 10:03 am, Spencer Primate <spencerspindr...@btinternet.com> wrote: > On Mar 31, 1:56 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Viva Zapata! See you at the front! ;) http://mexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/banditos.jpg On Mar 31, 2:10 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: SNIP What a weak rejoinder AND poor efficiency when riding. When I was capable of riding 60 miles on maybe a quart of water on a 90F day was my norm. Admitedly I was a SLOW rider as it took about 3 1/2 to 4 hrs. All on a bike built from garage sale parts...went through 2 frames as I cracked a seat tube joint assaulting a hill. 8^) Busted a Bridgestone frame a couple time MB'ing. Ride hard or shut up...oh wait you don't ride hard at all. -- Keith > On Mar 31, 2:10 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Keith Have you commandeer this thread? Remember, this is supposed to be for all to learn something and see the need for change. Don't you see the need for change in our Darwinistic roads, or are you perfectly happy with the idea that the big fish eats the little fish? Say, what do you drive now? So now let's talk about the big wide jungle... (I answer below) Originally Posted by red house No.. By your wording I think maybe you might have indigested some misinformation about America and our place in the world. There is no such thing as a ''pax-Americana'' -- that notion is a misnomer and a myth. All of the states that joined with the US chose to do so voluntarily and with respect to other country's -- America simply lends its influence and support to those that help further our strategic objectives: principally those strengthening free markets and liberal democracies -- and containing or reforming repressive autocratic regimes and their alliances. A 'one-world-America' - would just be the world of Francis Fukuyama's famous vision for the post cold-war era: a planet that is governed entirely by democratic nation-states that depended on their trade relations with one another - rather than resorting to ''powerpolitics'' and wars to protect their interests. *** I've thought the Pax Americana worked somewhat differently: America and a group of select predators keep the rest of the world (the prey) as a source of food (cheap labor and resources). Everybody is welcome (communists, tyrants, kings, etc) but not those who represent competition. On Apr 1, 3:44 pm, "Beav" <beavis.origi...@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote: > "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > You can use whatever word you like, but in the end it's simply > totalitarianism. And the people both lack bike facilities and healthcare DENIES DEMOCRACY. Maybe you neither democratic nor socialist... simply fascist. ;) > > On Mar 31, 2:10 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Don't you see the need for change in our Darwinistic roads, or are you > perfectly happy with the idea that the big fish eats the little fish? Being a big fish...without have more than 3 wheels. Yeah I am...something threatens me I've found it quite easy to scare off or "remove" the threat. 8^) I'm not the nice guy I appear to be adn use that to my advantage on the roads paved and unpaved. Oh wait you just do road bikes with skinny meatless tyres. Guess that makes you bait doesn't it princess. > Say, what do you drive now? same as it ever was a motorcycle older than you. My poor neglected Bridgestone was NEW in 88'...really need to replace the rear axle tube and skew. It's been ever since the last time I assaulted a down hill on and earthen dam. 8^) Straight down top gear and cranking hard...with a 45lb back pack Used to ride up the same dam the same way, well maybe a gear lower. -- Keith > > > On Mar 31, 2:10 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > - Show quoted text - If you are a predator on motorbike you are not a threat to me. We can share the same lane! It's like the lion and the lamb sitting together. So I dismiss you as the lion with no tooth... ;) You know the story by Aesop? OK, here's the story of the toothless lion... (LOVE CONQUERS THE BEAST) http://www.umass.edu/aesop/content.php?n=20&i=1 > OK, here's the story of the toothless lion... What a bunch of heartless idiots...should have put the poor lion down. f.cking animal rights is actually about animal ABUSE. Just like you are about abusing the internet you nut. What an IDIOT...no concept of the word mercy in you or those people. and people wonder why I'd as soon kill stupid people as force them to live a minute longer. > > OK, here's the story of the toothless lion... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and people wonder why I'd as soon kill stupid people as force them to > live a minute longer. Abusing Internet, or just making noise like a monkey to draw attention to the fact that bicyclists (and other small prey) are denied space in the jungle? What about the lions that drive SUVs recklessly to show off their power and wealth? Shouldn't they be toothless? And your Darwinistic capitalist system ("cowboy capitalism" they called it today in London) doesn't abuse the mass media by flashing SUVs on TV every 5 minutes? It is no secret that my theme in fighting INJUSTICE is THE JUNGLE. It all signals to some stupid monkeys (alpha monkeys to use the scientific term) that curiously want to play LION in order to distance themselves from the rest. Well, this article caught my attention for its accuracy, and TELLING THE TRUTH is an important attribute when hunting the LIE... ON. (You may also want to see the connection between the lack of space for the cyclist to favor the SUVs and the Law of the Jungle) "At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell The Law of the Jungle by Jamie Stern-Weiner Antiwar.com is pleased to announce the winners of its first-ever Student Essay Contest, held summer 2006. Today we present Jamie Stern- Weiner of the United Kingdom, 2nd place winner in the senior division. Alexia Gilmore Executive director, Antiwar.com In principle, international law serves the same purpose for the world as traditional common law does for states. As with domestic societies, without a system of law that is both applied universally and enforced effectively, what you get is a world where the only law is the law of the jungle, where the strong prey on the weak and where might makes right. That is the world we live in today, effectively run as a dictatorship, where the powerful mold the world around them according to their interests using force and coercion where necessary. Unsurprisingly, then, the current international climate exhibits many of the features of a dictatorship. The strong are exempt from the rule of law and decide unilaterally whom the law should and should not apply to. The powerful are free to use violence and intimidation to coerce the weak into submission. The status quo is, unsurprisingly, extremely unpopular with the majority of the world – a popular dictatorship is a rare thing. Dictatorship usually goes hand in hand with war because a dictator is primarily concerned with consolidating and expanding his power and, for the powerful, war is an extremely effective tool for furthering one's own interests. A strong and apolitical international justice system is, then, critical in the struggle for peace. Without such a system of international law, we are all leaving our collective fate in the hands of the powerful, hands that we can be sure are far from benign. Essentially, the crux of the problem is this: at the moment, if the powerful don't want peace, there won't be peace. (...) Thus, the current international climate is similar to one we would expect in a domestic society lacking an apolitical, effective justice system, complete with criminal cartels, military juntas, oppressive gangsters, and aggressive military machines, all financed by the wealthy elites who essentially run the world in their interests. Likewise, we have the oppressed, the murdered, the occupied, and the abused that come with it. This system benefits an elite few and dooms the rest of us to, at best, manipulation and complicity in oppression or at worst, brutal victimization by those stronger than us. Those interested in equality, freedom, and elementary morality cannot support such a hierarchical system founded on and maintained through violence and oppression. An effective, universal criminal justice system is an absolute prerequisite for global democracy and peace, and that requires a complete reform of the UN and other international institutions. A grassroots intervention is required to force those in power to introduce the institutions necessary to protect people everywhere from the dictates of power because they will certainly not do it themselves. Equality is not in their interests. In reality, despite what they would have people believe, the current status quo is incredibly vulnerable, relying as it does on the acquiescence and silence of the masses. Those interested in justice and peace should let them know they can rely on this no longer. http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jsweiner.php?articleid=10431 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Monkeys of the World, Unite! You've got nothing to lose but your cages" http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution I may have tossed around the idea before (hey, it's not copyrighted in any way), but this time I have some more information, which you may find useful. The Dutch amount to 1,700 troops in Aghanistan, all of which will be pulled back by 2010 (a decision the USA doesn't agree with), which means they will be availabe to do some more nation- building. Now imagine all those troops being stationed in one American city, one soldier per light, enforcing red lights, ticketing cell phone users, and, most importantly, bringing know-how about bike facilities. They would catch all sorts of terrorists out there! Then after they tame one city, they move to the next city and so on. Notice they won't work for-profit (an objection raised against cameras), so it'll be an absolutely humanitarian mission. I propose Miami to be first. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Monkeys of the World, Unite! You've got nothing to lose but your cages" http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution f.ck... he's a damn facist disguised as a socialist...just like hitler. > f.ck... > > he's a damn facist disguised as a socialist...just like hitler. I didn't know the Dutch were fascists. Hey, I'm neither a fascist nor a socialist. Find me in this political map... http://www.politicalcompass.com/ Yes, I'm left libertarian! > > f.ck... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Yes, I'm left libertarian! which proves yet again herr schiklegruber that you are STUPID. Everybody is likely to come out libertarian...likely because it's a libertarian sponsored site, last I checked. Idiots like you give your Nazi brothers a bad name. -- Keith > > > f.ck... > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Not much to do the left libertarians with the right libertarians found in America. They advance the law of the jungle, I fight it. I think you need to go for a motorcycle ride to let that concept into your head. I will do the same with my bicycle. ;) > > > > f.ck... > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Not much to do the left libertarians with the right libertarians found > in America. They advance the law of the jungle, I fight it. poorly > I think you need to go for a motorcycle ride to let that concept into > your head. I will do the same with my bicycle. ;) OR better yet you ought to learn to ride a motorcycle and then ride ONLY that for your transportation. I do...it's easy to do in spite of what the naysayers claim. FAR and above better than a push bike...far safer and easier to run down punks that try to murder you with mini- vans and suv's. -- Keith > > > > > f.ck... > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thank you for the tip. I DO ride motorcycle and I'm not afraid to ride one, despite having seen like 3 motorcyclists hit right in front of my house, at least one by a driver that ran the red light. The biggest difference is that in a motorcycle you go with the flow of traffic, having no SPEED DIFFERENTIAL, which creates all that conflict. But I still believe that motorcyclists and cyclists should do a coallition along the lines of, 'TWO WHEEL GOOD, FOUR WHEEL BAD'... > > > > > > f.ck... > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > But I still believe that motorcyclists and cyclists should do a > coallition along the lines of, 'TWO WHEEL GOOD, FOUR WHEEL BAD' Considering all teh asshats on push bikes with MASS or whatever they call themselves...you punks are on your own. Survival of the fittest and you lot aren't fit on the street. There are exceptions like myself who present in such a manner that though we dress like teh rest the monkey yakking in their cell phone enabled cages FEAR me. Yep and no I don't knwo what it is, most likely presence. -- Keith > > > > > > > f.ck... > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The motorcycle is smarter than a cage, unless you are a sheep. ;) Sheep are happy to drive around and can become really dangerous behind the wheel of a car, and particularly an SUV. But not all people can ride a motorcycle. Here's how a comprehensive overhaul of the idiotic principle "we all can drive" can be challenged... 1- Most idiots shouldn't be driving, period. They should be using PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. 2- Many can and should ride a bicycle for fitness and the environment. 3- Others find that the scooter is a good option for distances, say, within 20 miles. 4- Finally, the crazy ones --like you and me-- can ride a motorcycle in combination with any of the above. Our roads would a happier, safer place if we take the sheep out of their cages. ;) > > > > > > > > f.ck... > [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > 1- Most idiots shouldn't be driving, period. They should be using > PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. Bullshit merely because PT can ONLY work in major cities and metro areas. Otherwise it's a dismal farce... > 2- Many can and should ride a bicycle for fitness and the environment. Kind of true. You aren't thinking it through carefully from a health and road managment. Unlike say china the US would have road rage even if everyone rode bicycles...Critical Mass is a good example of asshats that road rage whether in a cage or on a bicycle. so...your premise isn't working as suggested. For that matter lets see you commute in Missula in winter...on a bicycle. ;^) It can be done safely on a motorcycle, though not by the timid. > 3- Others find that the scooter is a good option for distances, say, > within 20 miles. Gee what about all those people whose nearest town is over 30 miles away? Where the SLOWEST road in 200 miles is 25mph surface streets. 8^) Your claims are failing faster and faster. > 4- Finally, the crazy ones --like you and me-- can ride a motorcycle > in combination with any of the above. AH! who said it's crazy? ONLY cager would call it crazy, the rest of us just think it isn't too bright to go riding anything but a horse on ice and snow. Ever done 20 miles on packed snow with a road bicycle? I have, 10 out and 10 back. It was a pain the a.s but damn fun, then again I'm an extremophile when it comes to weather. I doubt you would enjoy a nice 4 mile walk when it's -40F and blowing. Me? It's fun and not difficult. Hot? lol, calk walk. > Our roads would a happier, safer place if we take the sheep out of > their cages. ;) And there you make an uninformed statement. Some people rage regardless of how they are moving...airplanes yep, pedestrians? "I'm WALKING HERE, outta the way old bitch!" I've seen it all and there's more that's happened I'm glad I didn't see. So all your pie in the sky does is, well solve nothing really. -- Keith > > > > > > > > > f.ck... > [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I rather have people raging in motorcycles than in SUVs. I rather have idiots ride motorcycles than SUVs. I rather have them on bicycles, buses and planes too. The reason is they usually don't have the power to kill and mayhem. I don't care if the go fast, I don't care if they drink, because most of the time they only hurt themselves. t > > I find far fewer CONFLICTS (that's the keyword) with the motorcycle. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > --- > Keith The people who write the laws NEVER ride a bicycle through such places, therefore they don't give a sh.t. This is the incident that happened to me... Anyway *I* had an incident that would have called for a gun if I had one, or for law and order on our roads... I was riding the 96th st causeway with my girlfriend, taking the lane, two lanes in each direction, nearly no traffic, signs say bikes must be walked along bridges' sidewalks, 3 bridges ranging from 200 to 900 feet... First incident: Policeman waves me off the road (indifference)... Second incident, down the road, no bridge: Guy in SUV blasts the horn (road rage), I have second thoughts about taking the lane... Third incident, riding against the curb, back on the bridge: Yet another guy in SUV insistently blows the horn (without me knowing what it means), I give him the finger, and he stops (road rage escalation). He threatens to get off the car (he's much stronger than me, plus he's in a 3 ton vehicle), and I try to get out of the situation. He says he was trying to help me (he's playing vigilante) by having me safely walk the bike on the sidewalk. We argue, he spits at my face and takes off. Luckily no guns on either side. I don't react to get his license plate, and wouldn't have made a difference anyway. I never go for the puppet, but for the puppeteer... Now suppose I had a gun: What should I have done? Isn't it better that they built more bike facilities, and taught drivers to respect cyclists? There was a policeman with the speed gun nearby (collection time). I bet if they sent undercover policemen on bikes, the way policewomen do hookers, none of that would have happened, or at least it would be a step in the right direction, right? But they argue there's no funds for that... I went back to this bridge a few days ago and the sidewalk is so narrow that is completely unrideable, and perhaps even unwalkable with a bike. IT'S ONLY 2 1/2 FEET WIDE! One step wrong and you fall into traffic. The police set up these signs for no good reason, and any vigilante out there can feel the need to fill the void. Never again back on that causeway which is one major way to get to stores as well as parks with my bike. Now I just drive or avoid the area altogether. And other major roads are closed for me as well due to heavy (and chaotic) traffic. Only law out there is the Law of the Jungle. Take meditation or take a gun. Or go on the Internet and make a lot of noise about it. That's the best weapon the monkey's got --besides the banana. ;) > The people who write the laws NEVER ride a bicycle through such > places, therefore they don't give a sh.t. No, they drive - and have parts of their lives stolen from them, minute by minute, by smug fools too stupid to put a motor on that bicycle and quit blocking traffic. > This is the incident that happened to me... <snip long rant on bicycle rights> Simple solution: restrict bicycles to special recreational paths paid for by taxes on bicycles. Jeeze, what's next, crybaby skateboarders on interstates? > > The people who write the laws NEVER ride a bicycle through such > > places, therefore they don't give a sh.t. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > taxes on bicycles. Jeeze, what's next, crybaby skateboarders on > interstates? I see you agree with giving the "lion's share" of the road and finances to motor vehicles... Who's gonna save the environment, dude? How about BIKE FACILITIES financed by the same money that buys roads? > Who's gonna save the environment, dude? Pretty obviously, not bicycles - if by "save the environment" you mean "provide a practical alternative that could reasonably be expected to replace a significant share of the transportation needs currently filled by gas-engined cars and trucks." You cannot seriously argue that bicycles are ever going to do that. > How about BIKE FACILITIES financed by the same money that buys roads? Why? Again, the bicycle simply is not a practical alternative that stands a ghost of a chance of replacing a significant amount of car/truck traffic. Bob M. > > Who's gonna save the environment, dude? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Bob M. What's YOUR contribution, recycling or paper bags? I'll tell you bicycles are a much better way to fight climate change, and can take the place of as much as 90% of motor vehicles within a 5 miles radius. Then you can use them in combination with public transportation to extend that range. Or you can ride a scooter and expand that range with minimal damage. NO MOTOR BETTER, AND THEN SMALLER MOTORS TO FIT YOUR NEEDS MAKE SENSE. But bicycling is the only option that doesn't depend on a government bureaucracy (buses) and the most cheap and simple to operate. Long live the bicycle! Down with cages! ;) > What's YOUR contribution, recycling or paper bags? Hardly a relevant question, but FYI I recycle a *lot*. > I'll tell you bicycles are a much better way to fight climate change, > and can take the place of as much as 90% of motor vehicles within a 5 > miles radius. Then you can use them in combination with public > transportation to extend that range. Or you can ride a scooter and > expand that range with minimal damage. Now answer this question: How much motor vehicle traffic in this country stays within your "5 mile radius"? How does public transportation fill the needs for shipping, etc.? Bob M. > > What's YOUR contribution, recycling or paper bags? > > Hardly a relevant question, but FYI I recycle a *lot*. Well, I don't. You know why? Because there's no recycling where I live, and because bottles don't have a value like in civilized places like Norway, where you don't see bottles or littering anywhere. There you put the bottle into the machine and there goes your money... > > I'll tell you bicycles are a much better way to fight climate change, > > and can take the place of as much as 90% of motor vehicles within a 5 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Bob M. Most of the shopping like to the market, dude. Most trips are local according to the stats I have somewhere. Care to investigate? Like I say in one of my t-shirts: BUY LOCALLY, BIKE LOCALLY! "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote: >> Now answer this question: How much motor vehicle traffic >> in this country stays within your "5 mile radius"? How does >> public transportation fill the needs for shipping, etc.? >Most of the shopping like to the market, dude. Most trips are local >according to the stats I have somewhere. Care to investigate? How can you live in such a crowded space? I've retired to a sububurb where houses are on only 1/4 acre. One cannot even piss in one's yard let alone shoot a gun. But the nearest grocery is seven miles away and the shopping mall ten. In rural virginia where one could enjoy a tad of privacy the grocery was 10 and the mall 30 miles away. I suppose that if you like sniffing your neighbors flatulence then bicycles might be viable but ..... > "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote > "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > grocery was 10 and the mall 30 miles away. I suppose that if you like > sniffing your neighbors flatulence then bicycles might be viable but ..... Since you hate bicycles and people so much it makes sense you chose to live in the boondocks. But, FYI, this percentage of Americans live in rural areas... "Rural America is home to about 17 percent (50 million) of the Nation's people..." http://www.ers.usda.gov/emphases/rural/ Which means the majority of Americans (83%) live in cities and are denied bike facilities. You are just perpetuating the myth that motorcyclists are stupid. ;) > Which means the majority of Americans (83%) live in cities and are > denied bike facilities. Note that "city" under the definition used to generate these numbers includes a VERY large number of what most people would refer to as small towns. And exactly how does "live in a city" equate to "denied bike facilities"? In the city I'm in (population of roughly 150,000), there are bike lanes and bike paths all over, and employers commonly provide bike racks for the bicycling commuter. What do you think you're being "denied"? Bob M. > > Which means the majority of Americans (83%) live in cities and are > > denied bike facilities. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Bob M. Maybe you are lucky enough to live in a place like Oregon, but most places ain't like that. They are more like a jungle. Hey, here in Florida we've got Key West where we all --bicycles, motorcycles, SUVs, EVs, scooters-- coexist, but you don't like that, huh? You know what it takes? TRAFFIC TAMING. There's used to be a sign that said (maybe still there), "Don't even think of speeding like in the mainland." So if you hate the OPTIONS they have in the Netherlands here you have a model closer to home. (They actually declared a separate republic... The Conch Republic.) ComandanteBanana <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in news:36dfb961-deeb- 4c5a-a2f3-cb601655b08b@c36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com: > Which means the majority of Americans (83%) live in cities and are > denied bike facilities. "Denied"? HAHAHAHA... What a loser. SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com > I see you agree with giving the "lion's share" of the road and > finances to motor vehicles... Absolutely - because mvs fuel & road taxes pay for the road. >Who's gonna save the environment, dude? Not a bicycle ... unless all the riders head for cliffs like lemmings. The only way to preserve the environment is serious population reduction. >How about BIKE FACILITIES financed by the same money that buys roads? Car/truck taxes buy roads. Why should they buy bicycle facilities? OTOH I'm all for a $1000/bicycle/yr tax to pay for bicycle paths. > > I see you agree with giving the "lion's share" of the road and > > finances to motor vehicles... > > Absolutely - because mvs fuel & road taxes pay for the road. Not so, unless you live in Europe where the tax is significantly higher. You have even paid for the war in Iraq. ;) > >Who's gonna save the environment, dude? > > Not a bicycle ... unless all the riders head for cliffs like lemmings. The > only way to preserve the environment is serious population reduction. 2 or 3 nuclear bombs, huh? For your information Holland has a much higher population density and they do fine with bikes. > >How about BIKE FACILITIES financed by the same money that buys roads? > > Car/truck taxes buy roads. Why should they buy bicycle facilities? OTOH I'm > all for a $1000/bicycle/yr tax to pay for bicycle paths. Why don't you favor a war funded with private money? We probably be at peace, now. ;) "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > >Who's gonna save the environment, dude? > > Not a bicycle ... unless all the riders head for cliffs like lemmings. The > only way to preserve the environment is serious population reduction. 2 or 3 nuclear bombs, huh? For your information Holland has a much higher population density and they do fine with bikes. Because there is no place to go. Too crowded. Sounds like a good place for population reduction. >> Not a bicycle ... unless all the riders head for cliffs like >> lemmings. The only way to preserve the environment is serious [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > For your information Holland has a much higher population density and > they do fine with bikes. And you don't think those two facts are related? Hint: "higher population density" generally equates to "smaller country with a high percentage of the population in urban areas." That's not the U.S.. And let's also note that while there are a lot of people biking in Holland, they're hardly a car-and-truck-free nation. Once again - there is no way that bicycles could reasonably expected to replace other existing modes of transportation to a significant degree. Bob M. > >> Not a bicycle ... unless all the riders head for cliffs like > >> lemmings. The only way to preserve the environment is serious [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Bob M. The 30% ridership they do have in Holland is a significant degree. And then public transportation too. But yes, THEY HAVE OPTIONS IN HOLLAND, part of a healthy democracy. > But yes, THEY HAVE OPTIONS IN HOLLAND, part of a healthy democracy. (A) It's "The Netherlands", doofus, not "Holland". (B) Their transportation options have nothing to do with a "healthy democracy", and everything to do with the fact that (C) their entire country is smaller than some American counties, (C) is almost completely dead- level, and (D) has practically *all* of it's population located in urban areas where they need not commute more than a few miles in any direction. Other than that, no differences at all... (What a maroon!) > (A) It's "The Netherlands", doofus, not "Holland". (B) Their > transportation options have nothing to do with a "healthy democracy", [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > urban areas where they need not commute more than a few miles in any > direction. Hmm. I seem to have had two successive "CEES" in the above (^) paragraph instead of an ultimate "E". This has now been corrected for anyone whose anal-retentive tendencies were threatening to spin out of control. As you were. > > But yes, THEY HAVE OPTIONS IN HOLLAND, part of a healthy democracy. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > (What a maroon!) No, not all democracies are the same. Take Mexico for example... As for America, it just doesn't measure up to the Netherlands. Where's the legal pot and prostitution? Let alone the bicycling. And don't tell me you are a "rough motorcyclist" and are not a regular consumer of either one. ;) (great hit in other forums) BRING PROSTITUTION TO AMERICA! Hey, it's not like we don't have prostitutes in America, just that -- like drugs-- we are hypocrite about it. So it is that Big Brother (who else) puts these very sexy female undercover officers to catch unsuspecting (and horny) male clientele. Very funny, right? Perhaps it's all about money? So it is that as part of our "Dutch Package" we plan to bring marihuana, gay marriage and prostitution along with bringing their BIKE FACILITIES to America. Notice the Dutch Package is about bringing the same freedoms they enjoy to America, but we have a "Dutch Package Plus," where basically ANYTHING GOES, so long as you don't hurt anyone. NOTE: I solemnly declare not to use prostitutes, and that I haven't done so in a long while. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Monkeys of the World, Unite! You've got nothing to lose but your cages" http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution > No, not all democracies are the same. Take Mexico for example... Gawd, but a you *are* a frothing idiot. (Not to mention a liar.) Nobody said anything about all democracies being the same, I just stated that the Netherlands trasportation system has nothing to do with their system of government. In The Netherlands their transportation system would make sense no matter *what* system of government they had, just as it *wouldn't* make any sense in America. > As for America, it just doesn't measure up to the Netherlands. Where's > the legal pot and prostitution? Let alone the bicycling. And don't > tell me you are a "rough motorcyclist" and are not a regular consumer > of either one. ;) Thanks for demonstrating that you have fewer than three functioning neurons. If anyone had taken your opinions seriously before, they certainly won't now. > > No, not all democracies are the same. Take Mexico for example... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > matter *what* system of government they had, just as it *wouldn't* > make any sense in America. So what makes sense in America, that they stop you for going 10 mph over the ridiculous speed limit, but they let you chat on the phone like you give a sh.t? If you don't like Holland, HOW ABOUT GERMANY? They also have plenty of bike facilities and you can run all you want. > > As for America, it just doesn't measure up to the Netherlands. Where's > > the legal pot and prostitution? Let alone the bicycling. And don't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If anyone had taken your opinions seriously before, they certainly > won't now. Seriously, motorcycles and pot and prostitutes are all fun, but they must be taken in moderation. ;) How about drinking, motorcyclists don't drink and drive? And who cares? > But yes, THEY HAVE OPTIONS IN HOLLAND, part of a healthy democracy. And you don't have options here? Someone preventing you from peddling around somehow? Bob M. > > But yes, THEY HAVE OPTIONS IN HOLLAND, part of a healthy democracy. > > And you don't have options here? Someone preventing > you from peddling around somehow? > > Bob M. Stay home or ride a bike and be a martyr without a cause? Or else be humiliated and be spit upon? I'll wait for safer roads. ;) >>> But yes, THEY HAVE OPTIONS IN HOLLAND, part of a healthy democracy. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Stay home or ride a bike and be a martyr without a cause? Or else be > humiliated and be spit upon? OK, so what you're saying is that the only one keeping you from peddling around is you. Thanks for playing, kinda figured that would be the answer... Bob M. > >>> But yes, THEY HAVE OPTIONS IN HOLLAND, part of a healthy democracy. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Bob M. Yeah, the only thing standing in the way of the monkey coming down from the tree branches is the hungry lion... What do you believe me to be, stupid? Stupid monkeys die young. ;) Actually only 0.4% of Americans are foolish enough to risk commuting by bike. Maybe they are fearful? > What do you believe me to be, stupid? Stupid monkeys die young. ;) I can only answer that based on what I've seen here. You sure you want me to try? Bob M. ComandanteBanana <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in news:345a91ca-2c7f- 49c8-95bb-214fcdcb7e3e@k2g2000yql.googlegroups.com: > Actually only 0.4% of Americans are foolish enough to risk commuting > by bike. Prove it. SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com ComandanteBanana <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in news:345a91ca-2c7f- 49c8-95bb-214fcdcb7e3e@k2g2000yql.googlegroups.com: > What do you believe me to be, stupid? Yup. SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com > ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:345a91ca-2c7f- > 49c8-95bb-214fcdcb7...@k2g2000yql.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > RCOS #7 > IBA# 11465http://imagesdesavions.com It takes one to know one. >> ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:345a91ca-2c7f- >> 49c8-95bb-214fcdcb7...@k2g2000yql.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > It takes one to know one. There's a confession.! > >> ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:345a91ca-2c7f- > >> 49c8-95bb-214fcdcb7...@k2g2000yql.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > There's a confession.! It's a matter of DEGREE. He's more stupid than me in not fighting a jungle that can kill him! > > > But yes, THEY HAVE OPTIONS IN HOLLAND, part of a healthy democracy. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Stay home or ride a bike and be a martyr without a cause? Or else be > humiliated and be spit upon? really where does this happen? Maybe dipwad you just can't follow the rules of the road. I know I don't tolerate c.nts like that...whether I'm on two wheels or four (don't have the balance for monocycles) it's no problem and I've ridden on both coast, major cities, small towns, big cities etc...never experienced the behaviour you are lying about. > I'll wait for safer roads. ;) Yep stay home, get fat and die. Sounds like a GOOD plan for you. Me I'll go out as usual and OWN the roads...I paid for the damn thing and I'm taking my half out of the middle and f.ck you if you don't like it. > > > > But yes, THEY HAVE OPTIONS IN HOLLAND, part of a healthy democracy. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > no problem and I've ridden on both coast, major cities, small towns, > big cities etc...never experienced the behaviour you are lying about. What do you know? What do you care? > > I'll wait for safer roads. ;) > > Yep stay home, get fat and die. Sounds like a GOOD plan for you. Me > I'll go out as usual and OWN the roads...I paid for the damn thing and > I'm taking my half out of the middle and f.ck you if you don't like > it. I won't stay fat like motorcyclists, which is why I ride my bike on bike paths. But also like the motorcycle. ;) On Apr 9, 7:52 am, "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > >> Which means the majority of Americans (83%) live in cities and are > >> denied bike facilities. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > dump themselves, like country folk do. So when government doesn't provide > them some "facility" they feel they are "denied". How would you feel if you cracked your head and they denied access to you at ER? Would you provide your own bandaid? :) We are not provided bike facilities, simply. We find a sign that says, "Welcome to the Jungle!" On Apr 9, 11:54 am, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote: > ComandanteBanana wrote: > > Yeah, if you only had a few not-connected roads what would you do with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bob M. Which proves that we need BIKE FACILITIES! You ain't being friendly to your closest relatives on two wheels. You sound like a cager. :( > On Apr 9, 11:54 am, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote: >> ComandanteBanana wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Which proves that we need BIKE FACILITIES! And you keep using that phrase "bike facilities" as if everyone understood just what it was you think you're lacking. What, EXACTLY, DO you want? Run dedicated bike paths along every interstate, with Gatorade machines every 5 miles? WHAT? Bob M. >And you keep using that phrase "bike facilities" as if everyone >understood just what it was you think you're lacking. What, >EXACTLY, DO you want? Roadside toilets with bike racks, mebbe. SignatureTurby the Turbosurfer > >And you keep using that phrase "bike facilities" as if everyone > >understood just what it was you think you're lacking. What, > >EXACTLY, DO you want? > > Roadside toilets with bike racks, mebbe. Oh! How about we paint said outhouses with concentric red and white circles with an "X" marking the spot? >> >And you keep using that phrase "bike facilities" as if everyone >> >understood just what it was you think you're lacking. What, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Oh! How about we paint said outhouses with concentric red and white >circles with an "X" marking the spot? That, or make 'em all coin-operated. The facilites might pay for themselves, except the lycra spandex crowd don't carry much coin with them, do they? SignatureTurby the Turbosurfer > >> >And you keep using that phrase "bike facilities" as if everyone > >> >understood just what it was you think you're lacking. What, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Turby the Turbosurfer Why should we if we get 3 miles per banana, instead of you eating gas? (from the Middle East and Venezuela) > On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:55:03 -0600, "Bob Myers" > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > Turby the Turbosurfer Otherwise I'd pee on the road. > > On Apr 9, 11:54 am, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote: > >> ComandanteBanana wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - More or less this... DO WE WANT BIG BROTHER TO MAKE BIKE LANES? Well, he promoted the Interstate Highway System, which was so successful that now it can't accomodate all the cars that want to use it. Whenever I raise the issue of BIKE LANES in particular and BIKE FACILITIES in general, though, I get the same answer: "It's up to the local governments to make them." And sure enough, new bike lanes are popping up here and there, but they are broken, not connected as to make them useless. What would be of the American driver if he had to go from Miami to New York on the back streets? I'm expecting Big Brother not only to read my computer, but also to accommodate my bike. Hey, Mr. President, we want the Interstate Bike System, though the name is negotiable... > DO WE WANT BIG BROTHER TO MAKE BIKE LANES? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > York on the back streets? I'm expecting Big Brother not only to read > my computer, but also to accommodate my bike. So NOW, Skippy, all you need to do is to answer the following questions: 1. How much would you expect the cost of providing your "interstate bike system" to be? 2. How many riders would you expect to use it (please express you answer in terms of the number of total rider-miles)? 3. Given the answers to 1 and 2 above, how would you propose to pay for this system? See how simple this all becomes once you actually apply some thought to the process? Bob M. > > DO WE WANT BIG BROTHER TO MAKE BIKE LANES? > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I propose to pay for it from the same money you pay for the war in Iraq. Or you claim that the war in Iraq (over oil) is a smarter investment than alternative transportation (bicycles, public transportation, EVs), meant to save oil? You have as high an IQ as this guy... http://www.allhatnocattle.net/gwb-monkey.jpg > I propose to pay for it from the same money you pay for the war in > Iraq. Oh, so you want a hand out. Sorry. >> So NOW, Skippy, all you need to do is to answer the following >> questions: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I propose to pay for it from the same money you pay for the war in > Iraq. Details, please, details. Or are you just trying to say something along the lines of "I don't worry about such things!" > Or you claim that the war in Iraq (over oil) is a smarter investment > than alternative transportation (bicycles, public transportation, > EVs), meant to save oil? Nice dodge, but I'm not here to defend the war in Iraq nor am I even particularly supportive of it in the first place. You're simply trying to duck the question, most likely because you simply do NOT have a good answer for it. Thanks for playing... Bob M. On Apr 11, 12:45 pm, "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > Amanda Lewis from Melbourne is in the news because she is sueing the > government and gas company over the deaths of her live-in lover and their [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Complaining about being denied free bicycle paths similar to the interstate > highway system ...... Hey, since I want to assume personal responsibility for fighting climate change, the least the government can provide me is some safety on the roads. Who should I blame for not taming traffic? Who should you blame for not providing security for a terrorist attack? > Hey, since I want to assume personal responsibility for fighting > climate change, the least the government can provide me is some safety > on the roads. Who should I blame for not taming traffic? If you think bicyclists are going to affect climate you are delusional. Traffic is fine. It doesn't need "taming". > Who should you blame for not providing security for a terrorist attack? People like you?? It should be painfully obvious that government cannot provide security. OTOH 1 or 2 armed people on each plane would have prevented 9/11. > > Hey, since I want to assume personal responsibility for fighting > > climate change, the least the government can provide me is some safety [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Traffic is fine. It doesn't need "taming". I'm philosophical lately... I'd reply to the above: "Beauty in in the Eye of the Beer Holder." ;) > > Who should you blame for not providing security for a terrorist attack? > > People like you?? > It should be painfully obvious that government cannot provide security. > OTOH 1 or 2 armed people on each plane would have prevented 9/11. It would actually make sense if they spent the same money they spend in fighting terrorists in fighting ROAD TERRORISTS. >>> Hey, since I want to assume personal responsibility for fighting >>> climate change, the least the government can provide me is some safety [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > It would actually make sense if they spent the same money they spend > in fighting terrorists in fighting ROAD TERRORISTS. Terror is a state of mind.You seem to be living in terror and want the world to change to make you feel safer.Guess what....it's not going to happen! Once you learn to stop being so scared of other road users, you will realise that most of the time, everyone gets along. > >>> Hey, since I want to assume personal responsibility for fighting > >>> climate change, the least the government can provide me is some safety [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Terror is relative. The conservative mind wants not to sleep over terrorism, but the revolutionary mind worries about more immediate and preventable dangers. 45,000 American die every in accidents, many of them unnecessarily... BOOK It's No Accident: The Real Story Behind Senseless Death and Injury on Our Roads For more than 30 years, the government has been ramming cars into walls in an effort to make car crashes safe. The public has been conditioned to believe that seatbelts, airbags and more "crashworthy" vehicles are the best ways to protect us from harm on the roads. Meanwhile, the most basic strategies to deter dangerous driving and prevent crashes have been ignored. "It's No Accident" provides a rare glimpse into how the government got seduced by the promise of "safe crashing." It then examines the major factors involved in crashes today, including speeding, aggressive driving, distractions (e.g. cell phones) and drowsy driving. The author reveals that many dangerous behaviors are now legally PROMOTED by businesses, and that drivers who kill often walk away with just a small fine. This well-documented expose is a must-read for anyone concerned about violent death and injury on our roads and how to stop it. http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/183-2388054-4838814?asin=1411681568&afid=ya hoosspplp_bmvd&lnm=1411681568|It's_No_Accident:_The_Real_Story_Behind_Senseless_ Death_and_Injury_on_Our_Roads_:_Books&ref=tgt_adv_XSNG1060 > Nice dodge, but I'm not here to defend the war in Iraq > nor am I even particularly supportive of it in the first place. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Your indifference was all they needed for that predatory war. But I can fight all the hyenas at once or in turn.You working for the lion, right? (See Lion King) >>> On Apr 9, 11:54 am, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote: >>>> ComandanteBanana wrote: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Hey, Mr. President, we want the Interstate Bike System, though the > name is negotiable... If you kept up with USRN and the Adventure Cycling Association, you would know that such a system was already coming. Signature--Andy > >>> On Apr 9, 11:54 am, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote: > >>>> ComandanteBanana wrote: [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Will I live to see it? (I'm 55 now) I've been hearing about it for the last 25 years. ;) >>>>> On Apr 9, 11:54 am, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > I've been hearing about it for the last 25 years. ;) That's because US Bike Routes 1 and 76 have been around for that long. Here's the rest of the draft Corridor Plan: http://www.adventurecycling.org/routes/nbrn/USBRSCorridorMap.pdf There are change requests in the pipeline now awaiting completion of the Corridor Plan. There is a task force in AASHTO working on this now. USRN is developing a change request form for US Bike Routes (to separate that from the road change request form which is used now). Signature--Andy > >>>>> On Apr 9, 11:54 am, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote: > >>>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote: [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > - Show quoted text - This is like a race against time, but Climate Change is winning against our capacity and will to construct BIKE FACILITIES. We should be biking everywhere by now, but the hungry government chose the wrong path of action (grab more oil). "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote Andrew Tompkins <andy...@comcast.net> wrote: >> If you kept up with USRN and the Adventure Cycling Association, you >> would know that such a system was already coming. > Will I live to see it? (I'm 55 now) Not unless you and the above associations offer a way for YOU to pay for it like motorists pay for interstates. > "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote > Andrew Tompkins <andy...@comcast.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Not unless you and the above associations offer a way for YOU to pay for it > like motorists pay for interstates. Yeah, sure, let Obama pay for it because if he got money for the big shots, we the people can use some of that too. ComandanteBanana <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in news:cf2516d1-5f39- 4639-ba4a-e251814ecece@z9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com: >> If you kept up with USRN and the Adventure Cycling Association, you >> would know that such a system was already coming. > > Will I live to see it? (I'm 55 now) Not if we're lucky. SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com > Will I live to see it? (I'm 55 now) No way to tell from that; give us your age instead of your IQ, and perhaps someone will take a shot at that question. Bob M. > > Will I live to see it? (I'm 55 now) > > No way to tell from that; give us your age instead of your > IQ, and perhaps someone will take a shot at that question. > > Bob M. Enough to bring to the world THE ULTIMATE TRUTH... (I know ignoramusses like you don't have a clue) Did God create the Universe in a Big Orgasm? Deep, deep stuff. Hey, this is NOT what they teach in science class or Sunday preaching, this is THE ULTIMATE TRUTH, beyond which you simply go crazy. Anyway, Science proposes the Big Bang theory and Religion teaches you Creation, so the combination of the two is Big Orgasm! (AKA THE "BIG O") But there's further proof of that: When lovers reach the point of climax, they often say, "Oh, my God!" while others claim to reach Eternity... Now, there are several implications of this: a) You don't have to go to church to see God b) The church better drop its regulation of sex, including masturbation c) You can practice "missionary position" with your partner d) You too can be a scientist! So I leave you here with this theory which --like all theories-- stands true until proven otherwise. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Monkeys of the World, Unite! You've got nothing to lose but your cages" http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution Re: Did God create the Universe in a Big Orgasm? (most clever answers from other forums, bike forums... I answer below) Originally Posted by Panthers007 "Why do people always assume it's some beautiful thing that was behind everything. Like those who believe in reincarnation - they always were kings or queens. Never a cockroach or a fox being chased by rich people's hounds. Instead of a cosmic-orgasm creating the universe, maybe God just took a dump." *** That would actually makes sense too. No wonder this world is such a piece of sh*t. I would put that theory in the ranking #2... ;) The latest research from the Insurance Industry ($$$) says... "WASHINGTON – Micro cars can give motorists top-notch fuel efficiency at a competitive price, but the insurance industry says they don't fare too well in collisions with larger vehicles." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090414/ap_on_bi_ge/crash_tests Funny, they are saying being smart but small is the problem! Now people will stay away from microcars the way they do from bicycles and other smart forms of transportation, which is what they want, right? They could be saying too that there are few laws on the roads but the law of the jungle, but that would put into question WHY HAVE A JUNGLE in the first place. America 21st Century: Land of the shark! NOTE: Smart vehicles include bicycles, scooters, and, of course, Smarts. On Apr 16, 9:05 pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote: > > It would be easy to design a tandem-seat enclosed vehicle that weighed > > 700 lbs or so, but it would need four wheels to be stable, and it would [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > now with cites & refs. So I guess I'm just full of BS on > this particular point. Good point. I think you hit the nail by accident (since you don't seem to be that smart). "Golf carts" includes some microcars that could be driven everywhere --IF PEOPLE DARED TO DRIVE THEM along the SUVs and reckless drivers. Here in Florida they are street legal and do appear regularly in the streets of Key West. Here's the Bombardier... ELECTRIC BOMBARDIER NV ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED DECEMBER 1996 The neighborhood electric vehicle, or NEV, is a concept that's come and gone, and come again. These lightweight, inexpensive, and limited use EVs were envisioned for local use, supplanting conventional cars for short trips around town to the market, to work, or to pick up the kids at school. As the electric vehicle field heated up in recent years, the neighborhood electric vehicle seemed relegated to obscurity, overshadowed by more glamorous - and expensive - electric hybrid electric concepts. We've seen GM's EVI come to market for $34,000, with other EVs like the Ford Ranger and Chevrolet S-Series EVs targeting similar price ranges. But guess what? The NEV is back, and it's on sale for under $7,000. Bombardier, the Canadian aerospace and transportation firm, is now marketing the composite two-passenger Bombardier NEV in Arizona, with an imminent debut in California and Florida. http://www.greencar.com/articles/bombardier-debuts-under-7000-neighborhood-elect ric-vehicle.php That you call them "golf carts" just show how much you despise them. You know why we don't have them? Because there's no communities around other than a few lucky places. You find them, for sure, in many gated communities, where they serve as a toy for leasure. I know of such a place in Key Largo where the big shots come with their intimadating SUVs and then trade them for the friendly EVs. Now, I'd be dead fish if I tried it right in front of my house. You know why? Because the Big Fish eats the Little Fish... > > MOTORCYCLES cannot pass car crash > > tests, and nobody cares. Anyone who buys such a vehicle (as a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > bike, period -- for reasons besides nursing a perception of > being safe & secure. You are so smart that you it's a miracle to find cyclists like you alive... Besides the EVs and microcars giving you some degree of protection (hey, it's all about mass and having a cage around you), they can sustain highers speeds. WHAT KILLS YOU IS THE SPEED DIFFERENTIAL. Even motorcycles are safer than bicycles, or at least are LESS STRESSFUL, which is something you get a lot of when riding in traffic. > In this thread there seems to be two fixations: one on heavy, > bulky vehicular "armour" as a safety factor, and one on speed > to get or stay out of the way. and I have to express my belief > those are both wrong approaches; everybody might as well just > drive tanks. As if so many don't already. That's what Insurance Industry says, and that's what the people do, dude. Do they ever talk about TRAFFIC TAMING. Do you? > Hey, Mr. President, we want the Interstate Bike System, though the > name is negotiable... I'm for it! Ike slapped a tax on every gallon of gas to pay for the "defense highway system" that nearly doubled the price of gas. So, do the same for bicycles. Slap a $250/yr use tax on every bicycle in the country used on public property and use the money to build bicycle paths. If that's not enough, raise the tax next year. No problemo. > > Hey, Mr. President, we want the Interstate Bike System, though the > > name is negotiable... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > used on public property and use the money to build bicycle paths. If that's > not enough, raise the tax next year. No problemo. Why do you lie? You must have been one of the those who supported the war in Iraq and covered up the lie... (the Federal Government paid for it in large part) Why does the Federal Government pay 90 percent of the cost? The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1944 authorized designation of a 40,000- mile "National System of Interstate Highways," but did not establish a program or special funding for its construction. The first such funding came under the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1952, which authorized a token amount of $25 million a year for the Interstate System in Fiscal Years (FY) 1954 and 1955. The 1952 Act retained the standard matching ratio (Federal share: 50 percent). The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1954 authorized $175 million a year for the Interstate System (FYs 1956 and 1957), with a Federal-State matching ratio of 60-40. The increased Federal share reflected the common understanding that the Interstate System is vitally important to national goals. As President Dwight D. Eisenhower began to promote creation of a program to build the Interstate Construction Program, the Nation's Governors made clear to him that they did not want to be forced to increase State taxes to pay the additional matching funds for the national program. Therefore, the President proposed to increase funds for the Interstate System, while boosting the Federal share to 90 percent. Under his proposal, the States would continue paying the same amount in matching funds for the Interstate System that they had been paying under the 1954 Act. When the program took shape in the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956, it differed in some ways from the President's proposal, particularly with regard to the source of funding for the program, but Congress retained the Federal-State matching share of 90-10 as a reflection of the Interstate Construction Program's importance to national goals. (In the western States with large amounts of untaxed public land, the Federal share could be increased to 95 percent.) http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/faq.htm#question14 On Apr 11, 1:08 am, "Stephen!" <N...@spam.com> wrote: > ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:cf2516d1-5f39- > 4639-ba4a-e251814ec...@z9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > RCOS #7 > IBA# 11465http://imagesdesavions.com C'mon, do you feel threatened by a guy on bicycle? ;) Seriously, I think the hungry system ($$$) feels threatened by people waking up to the reality that you don't need an SUV to go to the market. Probaly a 30% saving of gas (and thus a proportional loss of revenue) by people riding a bicycle to get any stuff nearby. A scooter does the job just as well. > On Apr 11, 1:08 am, "Stephen!" <N...@spam.com> wrote: >> ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:cf2516d1-5f39- [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > revenue) by people riding a bicycle to get any stuff nearby. A scooter > does the job just as well. How many bags of groceries can you safely carry on your bicycle? Can you ride your bicycle when it's snowing? how many children can you carry on your bicycle while loaded with groceries? > > On Apr 11, 1:08 am, "Stephen!" <N...@spam.com> wrote: > >> ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:cf2516d1-5f39- [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - More than I can eat in two weeks. It doesn' t snow where I live. Got no children, thank you. >>> On Apr 11, 1:08 am, "Stephen!" <N...@spam.com> wrote: >>>> ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:cf2516d1-5f39- [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Got no children, thank you. So, for you, a bicycle is OK, but for someone who lives where it's colder and has young children, it's not suitable. Do you play sports that involve out of town trips? Can you carry lumber/tools for home renovations? Do you go hunting? > >>> On Apr 11, 1:08 am, "Stephen!" <N...@spam.com> wrote: > >>>> ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:cf2516d1-5f39- [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Have you heard of U Haul? For most of the time, Americans don't need trucks. > On Apr 9, 7:52 am, "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote: >>>> Which means the majority of Americans (83%) live in cities and are [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > We are not provided bike facilities, simply. We find a sign that says, > "Welcome to the Jungle!" When bicycles have plates and pay registration fees to cover the costs of bicycle lanes, then you have something to bitch about, Until then, you are leeching off others who actually contribute finacially to the roading systems. Until you start to pay your way, keep out of the way of vehicles who pay. No free ride..... > > On Apr 9, 7:52 am, "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > >>>> Which means the majority of Americans (83%) live in cities and are [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - You should have added "when they pay insurance and gas, etc"... In other words, IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY, right? And who's gonna save the world, Jesus? >>> On Apr 9, 7:52 am, "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>> Which means the majority of Americans (83%) live in cities and are [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > And who's gonna save the world, Jesus? Of course it's about money....do you expect your bicycle lanes to be built with donated materials and free labour? Sporry for missing the insurance content, you are correct, bicycle riders should be insured if all the other road users have to be. As far as I'm aware. Jesus just saves souls? (Could be wrong, it's been a long time since Sunday School.) Saving the world is a lost cause....Earth (or a comet) will let us know when we have outlived our time here. > >>> On Apr 9, 7:52 am, "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Which means the majority of Americans (83%) live in cities and are [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - OK, it's a lost cause and let's give up any fight. But Armageddon is coming soon, they say. :( ComandanteBanana <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in news:e14360ff-0c16- 41e6-a78f-80814b6ab63d@l10g2000vba.googlegroups.com: > I was riding the 96th st causeway with my girlfriend, taking the lane Say no more. You *ARE* one of those spandex wearing a.sholes who *THINK* they have the right to block traffic just because they're pedaling a cry- cicle. Either get the hell out of the way or fully comply with the law and strap a "Slow Moving Vehicle" sign to yer a.s. SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com I answer at bottom... Originally Posted by Bionicycle "I’m all for improving public transportation, and alternative forms of transportation. But, calling people sheep that drive a personal car is not going to win over many converts, I fear. ... But, with no safe pedestrian right of ways, no safe bike lanes, and no efficient public transportation… and many of the population having not ridden a bus since they were in school, and a bike since they were a young teenager, and people with such varying work schedules and personal time constraints that the bus would almost have to show up at their front door every 15 minutes to make it work out for them. We have a very uphill battle to get the public to think that buses, trains, bicycles, and feet are superior to their magic weather tight, private, go anywhere carpets called a car… I’m not even totally sure they are myself, but I do feel it would be the best thing for the world and people if we could get away from taking our cars everywhere we need to go." *** The "sheep" epithet is not meant to hurt, just to be a "wake up call," since they easily convert from sheep to something else. Most of us are not that "hardcore," not to ever drive. By having different options you can use the most appropriate for a particular task, and not the even the Dutch have given the car. Or you can simply rent one when you need it, or participate in some sharing scheme. The system though doesn't make it any easier for them to do the switch, and then we can pass a good chunk of the blame to the Big Bad Wolf. ComandanteBanana <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in news:bb5be24a-7be0- 4e26-a9ff-b88d84d0b774@j12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com: > The biggest difference is that in a motorcycle you go with the flow of > traffic, having no SPEED DIFFERENTIAL, which creates all that > conflict. Blending in with traffic is the surest way to die. SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com (I reply at bottom) Originally Posted by Poppaspoke Okay, this is very speculative, but I like it anyway. The idea of an extinct strain of humans that was smarter than us is just way too much fun. http://discovermagazine.com/2008/mar/21-the-extinct-human-species-that-was-smart er-than-us The Extinct Human Species That Was Smarter Than Us *** Makes sense if you take into account this law... "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." -Charles Darwin And that refusal to change is what makes us doomed too! In other words, we still stick to the filthy old fashioned ways, ie. still too many SUVs on the road and too few bikes. BUY ANY BRAND OF CAR AND ACCESSORIES FOR your CAR Clik to go http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=4&campid=5336229480&tooli d=10001&customid=&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motors.ebay.com%2F On Apr 3, 4:13 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 3, 11:04 am, Schiffner <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Yes, I'm left libertarian! which proves yet again herr schiklegruber that you are STUPID. Everybody is likely to come out libertarian...likely because it's a libertarian sponsored site, last I checked. Idiots like you give your Nazi brothers a bad name. -- Keith On Apr 6, 4:21 pm, "Stephen!" <N...@spam.com> wrote: > ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:d06f64ac-aaf1- > 4223-b0d9-509028ff6...@e5g2000vbe.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > so he is exempted from this). The ones who ride two or three abreast on > the 70 mph highways around here deserve to be run over twice. They are a DIFFERENT SPECIES of cyclists. They go fast, take the lane when in groups, and, often deny bike facilities --mainly bike lanes-- to those who ride for commuting/practical purposes. I'm in the latter category. But a lot crazy motorcyclists too. ;) I think they are also different from those who enjoy cruising. BUY ANY BRAND OF CAR AND ACCESSORIES FOR your CAR Clik to go http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=4&campid=5336229480&tooli d=10001&customid=&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motors.ebay.com%2F > On Apr 6, 4:21 pm, "Stephen!" <N...@spam.com> wrote: >> ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:d06f64ac-aaf1- [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > I think they are also different from those who enjoy cruising. Originally Posted by boneshake "This isn't about freedom, it's about your irrational paranoia about cameras watching you. You read 1984 too early in life and it gave you nightmares." Take it from the rich. They've got cameras everywhere to protect their fat a.ses! On Mar 31, 1:24 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > ....eleven posts, with MAYBE ten lines, total, of new content among > > them. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You have a lot to say though. Your attempt at sarcasm was patheticly weak and punchless, much like every time you post. -- Keith |
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