We're looking for ways to reduce the cost of police services in Ottawa.
We use Ford Crown Victorias ("Police Interceptor") for cruisers and are
considering smaller more fuel-efficient vehicles. Any suggestions?
From watching European films and TV shows I see the police in Britain
were driving Ford Escrots in the 90's. The French and German police also
seem to drive smaller vehicles.
There may be some need for large powerful cruisers for the provincial
police to patrol freeways but I wonder about the need for municipal police.
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Mark Carroll - 26 Jul 2005 22:46 GMT
>We're looking for ways to reduce the cost of police services in Ottawa.
>We use Ford Crown Victorias ("Police Interceptor") for cruisers and are
>considering smaller more fuel-efficient vehicles. Any suggestions?
That's an interesting question. The CVPI is designed for police work,
of course - it's fairly rugged and comes with police-relevant options
available. But it does suck down gas - probably mpg is low-20's?
>From watching European films and TV shows I see the police in Britain
>were driving Ford Escrots in the 90's. The French and German police also
>seem to drive smaller vehicles.
Note that the UK Escorts were quite different from the US ones for
many model years, despite the similar name. (OTOH, the UK Mondeo was
very much like the US Contour despite the different names - that's
Ford for you.)
>There may be some need for large powerful cruisers for the provincial
>police to patrol freeways but I wonder about the need for municipal police.
Right. For city driving, if you're still thinking about Ford, I'd
consider looking in the longer term at, say, the 2008 Ford Fusion,
which you should be able to get with a hybrid-electric powertrain and
all-wheel drive, so you might get decent traction and reasonable city
efficiency. (I figure municipal police are already used to wrangling
good deals out of Ford.)
In the meantime, I wonder if something like the Saturn Ion might not
be too bad. Fuel efficiency is high-20's and the plastic body panels
might be useful (I'm guessing police cars can get banged up a bit),
and they have some turbocharged ones if the regular aren't speedy
enough.
If it's politically acceptable for you to buy non-NAFTA-made imports,
and you're okay with pretty small cars, I'd look at things like the
Honda Civic Hybrid and Toyota's smaller cars. My main criticism of the
CVPI for police work was that it's only two-wheel drive, and you can
sure get some decent snow in Ottawa, but the only really fuel
efficient cars in the North American market are two-wheel drive, at
least that I know of - unless you Canadians have something I didn't
know about.
I might be guessing your preferences completely wrongly. Feel free to
tell us more about what you're looking for in a car.
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westin@graphics.cornell.nospam.edu - 27 Jul 2005 14:08 GMT
> We're looking for ways to reduce the cost of police services in Ottawa.
> We use Ford Crown Victorias ("Police Interceptor") for cruisers and are
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> were driving Ford Escrots in the 90's. The French and German police also
> seem to drive smaller vehicles.
Well, in the UK *some* police drive something like an Escort. There
is, unlike the U.S., a definite hierarchy of police vehicles. At the
bottom are what I believe are called "panda cars", which are models
like Fiesta, Escort, etc., with no special performance. These are used
for in-town tasks and routine patrols. At the top, Jaguar used to be
the choice for high-speed pursuit use, and only officers who met
specific training and experience requirements are allowed to drive
such vehicles. It was claimed that high-speed pursuit in the city
required a level of skill and concentration comparable to that needed
for Grand Prix racing. Motorway patrol used to be dominated by, of
all things, the Range Rover. There are other rungs of the ladder, of
course.
> There may be some need for large powerful cruisers for the provincial
> police to patrol freeways but I wonder about the need for municipal police.
This reminds me of the 1970's in Ann Arbor, Michigan. The county
sheriff used Chrysler intermediates (Plymouth Satellite?) with the 440
engine. The city police used the same vehicle, but with the 360
small-block engine. The sheriff's comment was to the effect that
"that's OK if you just want to cruise around giving parking tickets",
in an obvious dig at the city cops.
Around here, the Dodge Intrepid, which seems to be out of
production. The officers preferred it to the Chevy Impala on interior
room, it seems.
If you can divide tasks, you could get, perhaps, Civics or Focuses
(Foci?) for the more mundane, but something a bit bigger when
suspects need transport, etc. Perhaps one of the quasi-sport-utes like
an Aztek (ugly, but apparently functional) or a Ford Freestyle. Going
to a real SUV like an Expedition or Yukon gets you into a vehicle
heavier than the Crown Vic.

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William R. Watt - 28 Jul 2005 02:06 GMT
thanks for the input. I've been gathering cost data for various possible
replacements and putting it into a spreadsheet.
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Ashton Crusher - 28 Jul 2005 06:31 GMT
>thanks for the input. I've been gathering cost data for various possible
>replacements and putting it into a spreadsheet.
If you aren't familiar with it, the State Patrol in Michigan does
periodic tests of potential police vehicles. You can download it as a
PDF. I've rarely run into any officers who like moving from CVPIs
into the smaller vehicles such as the Impalas and the like.
Personally, I hate FWD cars. Give me a CVPI any day.
William R. Watt - 28 Jul 2005 15:13 GMT
> Personally, I hate FWD cars. Give me a CVPI any day.
We like them here in Canada because of the superior traction in snow.
I'd like to get away from the "bigger is better" attitude.
Actually "smarter is better" in the city.
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Ashton Crusher - 29 Jul 2005 05:46 GMT
>> Personally, I hate FWD cars. Give me a CVPI any day.
>
>We like them here in Canada because of the superior traction in snow.
No argument there.
>I'd like to get away from the "bigger is better" attitude.
>Actually "smarter is better" in the city.
But aside from that, I find the general feel of FWD annoying. The
rumble they all have at any speed, the torque steer, the shakiness on
bumps, they just never feel right to me. I'd take a BMW 525 instead
of a CV if it was on "contract" for vehicles.
William R. Watt - 29 Jul 2005 14:50 GMT
> But aside from that, I find the general feel of FWD annoying. The
> rumble they all have at any speed, the torque steer, the shakiness on
> bumps, they just never feel right to me. I'd take a BMW 525 instead
> of a CV if it was on "contract" for vehicles.
All that front end weight is rough on the drive line and steering.
Whenever you press on the brake pedal all the weigth of the vehicle
presses down on the front end parts. It's not as much of a problem as it
used to be. There is so little weight in the back end of small cars a
couple of people can pick up the rear end and shift it. I've surprized
a couple of people who have been blocked in parking lots by shifting the
rear of the blocking vehicle by hand (with a little help). :)
A mid-size vehicle would be better for city police cruisers. From the data
I'm seeing some have more head-and-leg room than the gas-guzzling Crown
Victorias our police are driving. The Crown Victorias are marketed as
"persuit" vehicles, ie. high speed chases. I don't see that as appropraite
for city police work. They are leftovers from the 1960's. And so, I
suspect, are some of the policing attitudes that go with them.
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