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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / General Car Topics / September 2005

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martin_loebbing@yahoo.com - 04 Sep 2005 12:23 GMT
Dear all,

I know nothing about cars and I'm hoping someone here will be able to
answer my question. I am buying an LPG car because the of the
ridiculous petrol prices here. The only problem is, every LPG car I
find has a huge fuel guzzling engine. I finally found one that's not
too bad - 3 litres - but it's a V6. Does the increased number of
cylinders make it less economical, or is it all to do with engine size?
Or am I completely wrong about everything? :)

Thanks for any replies.
~ Martin Loebbing.
Don Bruder - 04 Sep 2005 18:58 GMT
> Dear all,
>
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> Thanks for any replies.
> ~ Martin Loebbing.

Short version: There's no such thing as a free lunch - Propane/LPG is
cheaper per unit than gasoline, but to go the same number of miles at
the same speed, you have to burn more of it.

Propane/LPG carries less energy per unit of measure than gasoline, thus,
engines running on it need to be larger/use more of it in comparison to
an engine of the same power output that runs on gas in order to make up
for the shortfall.

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martin_loebbing@yahoo.com - 04 Sep 2005 22:55 GMT
Thanks for your reply, but I am in Australia where the petrol price is
$1.30 a litre and set to rise, and the LPG price is 40c a litre. Is
there anyone who can answer my question?

Thanks
~ Martin.
martin_loebbing@yahoo.com - 04 Sep 2005 23:04 GMT
Er, sorry - ignore that last reply, I misread your response. Engine
size aside though, does the number of cylinders affect how economical
it is?
Don Bruder - 05 Sep 2005 02:53 GMT
> Er, sorry - ignore that last reply, I misread your response. Engine
> size aside though, does the number of cylinders affect how economical
> it is?

Cylinder size, as well as number, will affect the per-mile operating
cost - A 3 liter 6 cylinder (each cylinder half a liter) should (at
least in theory...) cost less per mile to operate than a hypothetical 4
cylinder engine with a total displacement of 4 liters. (Each cylinder a
full liter), regardless of the fuel it's burning.

Likewise, an 8 cylinder "monster" with a total displacement of 4 liters
would almost certainly run cheaper than a 6 cylinder with a total
displacement of 5 liters running at the same power output level.

Total displacement of the engine has a much larger impact on how
economical it will be to run the beast than number of cylinders, but
number of cylinders can't be completely ignored. This is due to other
factors such as the complexity of the additional machinery required to
handle more cylinders, increased parts-count, with attendant increase in
wear (and maintenance costs), mechanical drag caused by the additional
parts, and so on.

All of that said, though, when considered as a whole, an engine of a
given displacement will generally use fuel at *ABOUT* the same rate as
another engine with the same displacement, but a different number of
cylinders, when run at the same power-output level.

So, getting back to your actual question, yes, there is an effect from
differing cylinder counts, but outside the lab/off the dyno, the
difference isn't likely to be significant. It comes back to the basic
fact that to get "X" horsepower out of an engine, regardless of size or
cylinder count, you must burn "X" horsepower worth of fuel, whatever
that fuel may be, plus a bit more to overcome whatever
mechanical/frictional losses are inherent in the engine/drive train.

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mike - 14 Sep 2005 18:56 GMT
Don Bruder Wrote:
> -
> Er, sorry - ignore that last reply, I misread your response. Engine
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> runs aswell as good economicaly. So sorry to probably **** you off bu
> i believe that is the easiest way to tell the gu

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