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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / General Car Topics / September 2005

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Nitrous Oxide - Extra Fuel?

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Ron Ayoub - 15 Sep 2005 00:50 GMT
I'm trying to get a high level understanding of some things so detailed
a explanation is not necessary but would be appreciated. As I
understand, nitrous oxide injects more oxygen into the combustion
equation since when it heats up it breaks apart into oxygen among other
things all within the combustion chamber. This oxygen is then used to
fuel more combustion reactions. Ok. That is easy enough. My question
is, who determines how much fuel to inject to compensate for increased
amounts of oxygen. I was thinking that all O2 sensors would be
somewhere in the throttle body but N20 is injected into the intake
ports further down the line. How does this work? I'm missing something
here. Thanks for your help.
I Love Edsels - 15 Sep 2005 17:44 GMT
>I'm trying to get a high level understanding of some things so detailed
>a explanation is not necessary but would be appreciated. As I
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>ports further down the line. How does this work? I'm missing something
>here. Thanks for your help.

Nitrous Oxide expands greatly when exposed to heat.
Hi Ho Silver - 16 Sep 2005 04:40 GMT
$                   I was thinking that all O2 sensors would be
$somewhere in the throttle body

  No.  There's an airflow sensor of some sort in the intake system,
but the oxygen sensors are in the *exhaust* system.  The job of the
first one is to detect how much residual oxygen is in the exhaust
stream.  If there's too little, the mixture is too rich; if there's
too much, the mixture is too lean.  The correction in either case is for
the engine computer to adjust how much fuel is being injected.

  The first oxygen sensor is upstream of the catalytic converter.
The second oxygen sensor is downstream of the cat and is part of the
emissions control system, not the engine management system.

  I don't know how nitrous systems are used, but anything which puts
more oxygen into the intake stream without a corresponding increase in
fuel will result in too much oxygen being in the exhaust stream, and
when the first oxygen sensor tells the engine computer this, the computer
responds by delivering more fuel.  Whether the stock engine computer
on most cars has enough flexibility in its fuel delivery programs to
adjust fully for this, I have no idea; it may be that you would also
need to chip your engine computer as well.
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Ron Ayoub - 16 Sep 2005 11:30 GMT
That is a perfectly clear explanation. I'm not sure what the first guy
was talking about regarding N2O itself exploding which is definitely
not the case. Thanks for your help.
k wallace - 16 Sep 2005 23:34 GMT
> That is a perfectly clear explanation. I'm not sure what the first guy
> was talking about regarding N2O itself exploding which is definitely
> not the case. Thanks for your help.

It doesn't *explode*....it *expands*.  There's a big difference, yes?

- k wallace
Ron Ayoub - 18 Sep 2005 23:02 GMT
There is no difference between expansion and explosion. Explosion at
the molecular level is rapid expansion due to some kind of energy
introduced into a system(ie thermal). That is my understanding. You do
have some point but my response was to the common misconception that
Nitrous Oxide is an explosive gas when it is not. It only introduces
more oxygen into the combustion equation and combines with the
hydrocarbons and a spark to produce a greater explosion than would be
the case with atomospheric oxygen amount only. But to the point, my
question was rather specific and to say that N2O expands does nothing
to answer the question of where does the extra fuel come from.
 
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